1st time on TREN - Advice needed...

Yes test as a foundation 100%
good man. You could scrap the dbol and replace it with npp 100-150mg ED for 4 weeks. Just something to think about. It’s not a tradition use of nandrolone, but it’s also short ester so no reason to run it super long but for the joint relief after the 2 week just shoot 300mg weekly. I know that changes what you had in mind.
 
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Is that you @rbj in the pic ? Fantastic shape! Got me thinking now!!

Yea 4 years ago thanks, I’m getting old and grumpy now. Tren is an amazing compound and it will recomp your body like nothing else, but I can barely take the head fucks it gives anymore. At one point 2 years ago I had my wife in the car and kid cut me off on the DVP in toronto and i pretty much followed him home lol. Makes me want to death vader throat grab people. It can change your personality in a second and make the people around you terrified. Even if you are normally in a good head space you, hell hath no fury like someone on tren getting pissed off. So if you have new borns in the house and crying or waking to feed or take care of them teething, just be conscious that there is a possibility of a split personality out of no where.

hmm i make it sound so terrible lol
 
Yea 4 years ago thanks, I’m getting old and grumpy now. Tren is an amazing compound and it will recomp your body like nothing else, but I can barely take the head fucks it gives anymore. At one point 2 years ago I had my wife in the car and kid cut me off on the DVP in toronto and i pretty much followed him home lol. Makes me want to death vader throat grab people. It can change your personality in a second and make the people around you terrified. Even if you are normally in a good head space you, hell hath no fury like someone on tren getting pissed off. So if you have new borns in the house and crying or waking to feed or take care of them teething, just be conscious that there is a possibility of a split personality out of no where.

hmm i make it sound so terrible lol
I’m feeling slightly worried, I have all the above symptoms when I’m just hungry lol. Also got the small kids in house going through all you mentioned... This seems like it’s going to be more of a roller coaster then I first thought lol.
@rbj can I ask what height you are and weight you was in the pic please?
 
I am curious, have you made a decision on the compounds you will be using. I would like to hear how you plan to lay it down, hopefully you don’t plan on wingin’ it. Lol.
 
I get sweats also if I dont feed haha, i am 5'9@235 in that pic
I’m sure I’ll be getting all the negatives, just looking forward to the positives (recomp). Your physique is great bro, may hit you up soon on some guidance soon if that ok ?
 
I am curious, have you made a decision on the compounds you will be using. I would like to hear how you plan to lay it down, hopefully you don’t plan on wingin’ it. Lol.
Yes looks like I’ll be dropping the NPP and will just see how the joints hold up.
Will front load with Dbol but at only 25mg for 4weeks.
Will stick to a few compounds at the moment see how the recovery is, it’s been awhile since cycled so will keep it simple.

Just waiting for bloods to come back before I start.

Dbol - 25-30mg - Week 1-4
Test 100mg EOD - Week 1-9
Tren 100mg EOD Week 1-9

Proviron @ 50mg ED - minimise SHGB (free up more test)
Adex @ .25 E3D to control E2
HCG @ 250iu E3D - Week 4 to 8

PCT 3 - 5 days after last jab.

Plan is to recomp at alittle under maintenance cal.

Bloods again at 6weeks and then 2months after PCT all goes to plan will look at a lean bulk cycle in summer.

How does the plan sound to you @88GENERAL88 ?
 
Yes looks like I’ll be dropping the NPP and will just see how the joints hold up.
Will front load with Dbol but at only 25mg for 4weeks.
Will stick to a few compounds at the moment see how the recovery is, it’s been awhile since cycled so will keep it simple.

Just waiting for bloods to come back before I start.

Dbol - 25-30mg - Week 1-4
Test 100mg EOD - Week 1-9
Tren 100mg EOD Week 1-9

Proviron @ 50mg ED - minimise SHGB (free up more test)
Adex @ .25 E3D to control E2
HCG @ 250iu E3D - Week 4 to 8

PCT 3 - 5 days after last jab.

Plan is to recomp at alittle under maintenance cal.

Bloods again at 6weeks and then 2months after PCT all goes to plan will look at a lean bulk cycle in summer.

How does the plan sound to you @88GENERAL88 ?
Looks good kiddo, you already know my thoughts on dbol, but to each their own. If it were me, if I were going to run dbol, you are going to be a lot happier with the results that 40mgs gives you. Not saying you won’t see results from 25mg because you will I can assure you, but if you are going to take dbol might aswell TAKE dbol, if you get what I am saying. Also be flexible with your use of arimidex. I think 1/4mg e3d is not smart. Reason being is, arimidex takes time to build in the body, when hitting your body with something as powerful a dbol, that has a high coverstion rate to e2. dbol can be nasty, don’t think for a minute that just because you are taking 25mgs that you are taking it easy on your body, because even at that dose dbol packs a punch. So I would raise the dose .5mg eod while running the dbol. You can always lower you dose once the dbol is finished. If you have adex you might even take .5mg a couple days before your first pill/shot. Just to introduce you’re AI into the body. Before you introduce a androgen.
 
Looks good kiddo, you already know my thoughts on dbol, but to each their own. If it were me, if I were going to run dbol, you are going to be a lot happier with the results that 40mgs gives you. Not saying you won’t see results from 25mg because you will I can assure you, but if you are going to take dbol might aswell TAKE dbol, if you get what I am saying. Also be flexible with your use of arimidex. I think 1/4mg e3d is not smart. Reason being is, arimidex takes time to build in the body, when hitting your body with something as powerful a dbol, that has a high coverstion rate to e2. dbol can be nasty, don’t think for a minute that just because you are taking 25mgs that you are taking it easy on your body, because even at that dose dbol packs a punch. So I would raise the dose .5mg eod while running the dbol. You can always lower you dose once the dbol is finished. If you have adex you might even take .5mg a couple days before your first pill/shot. Just to introduce you’re AI into the body. Before you introduce a androgen.
How long does it take to build up? Say he was taking it .5 e3d and he felt sides, such as itchy nips, bloat, and increased it to .5 eod, how long would it take to kick in? This is 2 days in a row of itchy nips. I was only taking 20mg.
 
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How long does it take to build up? Say he was taking it .5 e3d and he felt sides, such as itchy nips, bloat, and increased it to .5 eod, how long would it take to kick in? This is 2 days in a row of itchy nips. I was only taking 20mg.
This is why I hate dbol. To be honest, The first question that pops in my mind is, do I have real ARIMIDEX, most people won’t sell bunk ai’s because they don’t want to get killed over it. But remember arimidex isn’t cheap and if your arimidex is suspended in liquid, that it has a shelf life, also if it’s UGL ARIMI, it could be underdosed. I don’t fuck with anything but pharma ai’s, Or androgens that have high convert. Rates. it’s not worth it to me. Read my thread in the steroid forum about Gyno. Hey OLE MAN, from now on I am going to call you OLE G, i do t want to give you bad info, so the only thing g I would say is stop, or if you can get your hands on some letro in a few days go that route. You are obviously sensitive which is okay but gotta be prepared for that shit. Always keep letro on hand gentlemen. It’s sort of like walking around at night in Long Beach, it’s better to have a pistol on you then to be caught in a situation where you wish you had one.
 
This is why I hate dbol. To be honest, The first question that pops in my mind is, do I have real ARIMIDEX, most people won’t sell bunk ai’s because they don’t want to get killed over it. But remember arimidex isn’t cheap and if your arimidex is suspended in liquid, that it has a shelf life, also if it’s UGL ARIMI, it could be underdosed. I don’t fuck with anything but pharma ai’s, Or androgens that have high convert. Rates. it’s not worth it to me. Read my thread in the steroid forum about Gyno. Hey OLE MAN, from now on I am going to call you OLE G, i do t want to give you bad info, so the only thing g I would say is stop, or if you can get your hands on some letro in a few days go that route. You are obviously sensitive which is okay but gotta be prepared for that shit. Always keep letro on hand gentlemen. It’s sort of like walking around at night in Long Beach, it’s better to have a pistol on you then to be caught in a situation where you wish you had one.
Well I used it last run of just test E 600mg .5 eod and it was great! I got itchy nips, and I started the adex and boom we was good.
The dbol showed no sides for 3 weeks then bam bloat, hbp, and itchy nips.
My arimidex is actually Anastrazolos from Pharmacom, tablets 1 mg in blister pack.
 

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I always like to have pharma aromasin, nolvadex, and prami on hand. Not that expensive and if you are having problems you don't want to gamble.
 
Also be flexible with your use of arimidex. I think 1/4mg e3d is not smart. Reason being is, arimidex takes time to build in the body, when hitting your body with something as powerful a dbol, that has a high coverstion rate to e2. dbol can be nasty,
Good advise! In my personal experience I find my AI dose has to increase significantly when adding dbol..
 
Good advise! In my personal experience I find my AI dose has to increase significantly when adding dbol..

I've gotten to the point that with dbol I'll run Nolvadex. That said, I'd rather just use drol. I feel a ton better, no gyno and I hold little water on it. 20 years ago my dbol experience was different but no longer.
 
I've gotten to the point that with dbol I'll run Nolvadex. That said, I'd rather just use drol. I feel a ton better, no gyno and I hold little water on it. 20 years ago my dbol experience was different but no longer.
i hate nolvadex gentlemen, it raises prolactin. I don’t know why the fuck anyone would want to try and combat estrogen to then trade for elevated prolactin. That’s shot is pre 9/11. Dump nolvadex.
 
i hate nolvadex gentlemen, it raises prolactin. I don’t know why the fuck anyone would want to try and combat estrogen to then trade for elevated prolactin. That’s shot is pre 9/11. Dump nolvadex.

Proof ? Raise by what amount ?

Theres an unusual amount of unclear science going on here
 
Proof ? Raise by what amount ?

Theres an unusual amount of unclear science going on here
I am not going to lie to you and tell you that I have studied in my back pocket. But before you argue it why don’t you do some studying. Don’t get so emotional over it guy. Probably the nolva talking
 
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