1st time on TREN - Advice needed...

[Ariesstar80]

You could always just go Test Iso / or PP and NPP. If diet is in check, you'll have a nice, round, cut, full look. Diet will be key in this however.
2 19 nors after not cycling for a while can be tricky. Any Caber on hand?

Caber or dost? I’ve got Arimidex for ai so will use .25 or .50 E3D to keep estrogen in check. If prolactin does break out which is better caber or dost? And what dose?

 

[Ariesstar80]

Drop the dbol to 30 mg and bring the npp to 300 assuming you have npp 100mg/ml. Reason being if you are going to throw it in the mix you want to keep your levels as even as possible, if you feel like that going to be to much then maybe look at .5cc eod so that would be dbol 30mg Ed and npp 50-75mg a week. I didn’t see any protection for you 19nor’s. or liver protection. Otherwise looks good. I personally don’t like Nolvadex and clomid. I stick to hcg and arimidex, and 400-600mg of b6, 30mg of Zinc A, For my pct. but that’s just me. Oh and it was recommended by a doctor friend.

Hey @88GENERAL88 so do you not use nolva and Clomid for recovery at all? Never tried b6 and zinc a for recovery. Do you take that as PCT and for same time length as general PCT (4 to 5weeks)
Is recovery a lot better with it?

 

[Ariesstar80]

Caber or dost? I’ve got Arimidex for ai so will use .25 or .50 E3D to keep estrogen in check. If prolactin does break out which is better caber or dost? And what dose?

My apologies I meant caber or bromo.

 

[88general88]

Caber or dost? I’ve got Arimidex for ai so will use .25 or .50 E3D to keep estrogen in check. If prolactin does break out which is better caber or dost? And what dose?

Personally, BROMO has always worked fine for me. But some people like prami. Prami made me nauseous and I absolutely was not going to do that to myself. I know a lot of guys will probably disagree with this statement but, when it comes to choosing a Dopamine A, it usually comes down to convenience, cost, and whether it works for their person.Caber is extremely strong, and I find it more difficult to find the tablets that are the size I want for a affordable price.

 

[Ariesstar80]

Personally, BROMO has always worked fine for me. But some people like prami. Prami made me nauseous and I absolutely was not going to do that to myself. I know a lot of guys will probably disagree with this statement but, when it comes to choosing a Dopamine A, it usually comes down to convenience, cost, and whether it works for their person.Caber is extremely strong, and I find it more difficult to find the tablets that are the size I want for a affordable price.

What dosage would you run BROMO if signs of prolactin ?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

What are the signs of high and low prolactin?

 

[Ariesstar80]

What are the signs of high and low prolactin?

Assuming would be puffy itchy nipples? Signs of gyno?

 

[Ariesstar80]

Assuming would be puffy itchy nipples? Signs of gyno?

And wet noodle like dick as @Mac11wildcat calls it

 

[Ariesstar80]

Will just look at controlling E-2 to stop any adverse effects via an AI and/maybe SERM on cycle. That should steer me clear from needing an Dopamine A.

 

[Havah]

Assuming would be puffy itchy nipples? Signs of gyno?

Thats the sign of very high prolactine aka i doubt anyone here on 19 nor ever reached symptomatic values of prolactinemia

You see people poping up caber for 25 ng prolactinemia

What a day to be alive

 

[Morefyah]

Hey @88GENERAL88 so do you not use nolva and Clomid for recovery at all? Never tried b6 and zinc a for recovery. Do you take that as PCT and for same time length as general PCT (4 to 5weeks)
Is recovery a lot better with it?

Your honestly not getting very good information here. I wouldn’t listen to anyone that suggests Arimidex and hcg as a pct for a dbol, nandrolone and tren cycle. Concentrate more on your diet and program and not so much on prolactin. It honestly shouldn’t even be an issue unless you are hyper sensitive to prolactin sides. Which I’m sure your not!

The way you have it now this is more of a cutting cycle so no don’t add dbol.
If you wanna bulk up the npp and test and use the dbol instead of tren. You will see much more returns on the latter suggestion.

 

[88general88]

Hey @88GENERAL88 so do you not use nolva and Clomid for recovery at all? Never tried b6 and zinc a for recovery. Do you take that as PCT and for same time length as general PCT (4 to 5weeks)
Is recovery a lot better with it?

u need to understand how clomiphene citrate works and then you will understand why using Nolvadex and hcg along with it is sort of silly. I am not saying it doesn’t work, it just not as productive I have found as arimidex and hcg work on me. But you know what ,don’t listen to me because I have no idea what I am talking about, please take advice from the guy that is telling you to “worry about your cycle, instead of prolactin?!” With all do respect, my experience is that when people become arrogant when using compounds such as the ones you have mentioned that’s when they get GYNO.” By the way it’s not just prolactin you should be worried about, it’s progestin, prolactin, and estrogen. People think by using tren you have nothing to worry about. You don’t if you just use tren by itself, but it has one highest binding affinity to the androgen receptor. Once you add test into the equation it’s a whole new beast. Then npp on top of that and dbol you definitely need to worry about the sides don’t listen to the guy telling you not to worry about it. Remember everybody’s body reacts different to different compound. So I play it safe and always make sure I am strapped up when it comes to AI’s. I don’t think I would feel the way I do about tits if I had a huge pair on me.

 

[rbj]

Using tren ace and not doing a competition, thats bold hehe. If you have a family the rage and mind fucks could escalate into arguments/fights. I would just kick it completely. Save tren a month before beach or vacation season.

 

[The ole man]

Drop the dbol to 30 mg and bring the npp to 300 assuming you have npp 100mg/ml. Reason being if you are going to throw it in the mix you want to keep your levels as even as possible, if you feel like that going to be to much then maybe look at .5cc eod so that would be dbol 30mg Ed and npp 50-75mg a week. I didn’t see any protection for you 19nor’s. or liver protection. Otherwise looks good. I personally don’t like Nolvadex and clomid. I stick to hcg and arimidex, and 400-600mg of b6, 30mg of Zinc A, For my pct. but that’s just me. Oh and it was recommended by a doctor friend.

Thoughts on liver protection, while on, or after?
Think I might have seen a post saying that while on was redundant, and was better served as pct for the liver just as soon as 19nors are finished?

 

[The ole man]

Your honestly not getting very good information here. I wouldn’t listen to anyone that suggests Arimidex and hcg as a pct for a dbol, nandrolone and tren cycle. Concentrate more on your diet and program and not so much on prolactin. It honestly shouldn’t even be an issue unless you are hyper sensitive to prolactin sides. Which I’m sure your not!

The way you have it now this is more of a cutting cycle so no don’t add dbol.
If you wanna bulk up the npp and test and use the dbol instead of tren. You will see much more returns on the latter suggestion.

u need to understand how clomiphene citrate works and then you will understand why using Nolvadex and hcg along with it is sort of silly. I am not saying it doesn’t work, it just not as productive I have found as arimidex and hcg work on me. But you know what ,don’t listen to me because I have no idea what I am talking about, please take advice from the guy that is telling you to “worry about your cycle, instead of prolactin?!” With all do respect, my experience is that when people become arrogant when using compounds such as the ones you have mentioned that’s when they get GYNO.” By the way it’s not just prolactin you should be worried about, it’s progestin, prolactin, and estrogen. People think by using tren you have nothing to worry about. You don’t if you just use tren by itself, but it has one highest binding affinity to the androgen receptor. Once you add test into the equation it’s a whole new beast. Then npp on top of that and dbol you definitely need to worry about the sides don’t listen to the guy telling you not to worry about it. Remember everybody’s body reacts different to different compound. So I play it safe and always make sure I am strapped up when it comes to AI’s. I don’t think I would feel the way I do about tits if I had a huge pair on me.

Well that escalated quickly.
On to the next thread!

 

[Monstar]

Using tren ace and not doing a competition, thats bold hehe. If you have a family the rage and mind fucks could escalate into arguments/fights. I would just kick it completely. Save tren a month before beach or vacation season.

While a concern, everyone is different. Lots of people can run decent doses of tren without behavioral issues. That said, it bears caution as much or more than any other steroid.

Just to add...issues here are not always related to someone's personality. It may well be chemical. Ie don't think because you are chill in normal life you will necessarily be chill on tren (better chance than someone not, but no guarantee).

 

[88general88]

Thoughts on liver protection, while on, or after?
Think I might have seen a post saying that while on was redundant, and was better served as pct for the liver just as soon as 19nors are finished?

With all do respect, I suggest 1000mg of choline and inositol. Back in the day all the pro used to take 1000mg a day to purge the liver of toxins, and ESPECIALLY FAT. krazy how something over the counter would be preferred to protect protect their liver. If you don’t believe me talk to someone that is in their 50’s or older. I use it today. I would have thought that would have been knowledge that would have been past down, somewhere along the line good info got buried. However I am resurrecting it.

 

[Savagesteve]

My advice is don’t run it over 10 weeks and be prepared for crazy jealousy and fucked up dreams/insomnia. I know the same sides don’t hit everyone but I’m on week 10 (going to 12 because I started very low and tapered up) and the sides are getting pretty shitty lol.

 

[88general88]

My advice is don’t run it over 10 weeks and be prepared for crazy jealousy and fucked up dreams/insomnia. I know the same sides don’t hit everyone but I’m on week 10 (going to 12 because I started very low and tapered up) and the sides are getting pretty shitty lol.

I second the insomnia, and when you do sleep wear a flotation device because you don't want to drown in your sweat.

 

[The ole man]

With all do respect, I suggest 1000mg of choline and inositol. Back in the day all the pro used to take 1000mg a day to purge the liver of toxins, and ESPECIALLY FAT. krazy how something over the counter would be preferred to protect protect their liver. If you don’t believe me talk to someone that is in their 50’s or older. I use it today. I would have thought that would have been knowledge that would have been past down, somewhere along the line good info got buried. However I am resurrecting it.

I did a 5 min read of what it is and what it does, and the occasional sides.
Interesting, I read more up on it.
But back to my question, you most def think on cycle is better than post cycle with liver supplements?