2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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I think keeping it low at 200mgs a day is sensible. I'm sure you already know that it will take 3-5 days before you feel the effects, it is still working from day 1 though. I have always been told to take a small amount of T3 (25mcg) to help with the lethargy - I don't know if this is true though. Just drink water and keep your sodium levels up (this is important - if anyone says otherwise try it with and without and you'll thank me later). I sprinkle a bit of salt on all my meals otherwise I feel like crap. You will hold water weight, but the magic happens between 5-10 days after the last dosage, so do not worry about having high sodium and looking watery during the 14 days as the DNP will make you watery as heck anyway. A lot of people assume you visibly drop weight on the scales during the cycle - some do, but some don't. Again, it is when you come off it and all the water weight goes. Yes, it is like a magic pill, as a lot say it is not... it fooking well is in my opinion - as long as it is real stuff. You will struggle to get a pump in the gym and will feel flat as fook, but just wait it out until you are off it.

Personally, I would take minimal carbs during the working day as you will feel the heat and could start sweating, but being on 200mgs a day it SHOULD be okay and tolerable. I find it to be a nice heat that is quite comfortable, but carbs heat you up like a mofo, so personally I would save them for the evening. Also, it depends what country you're in and also the weather. If it is hot where you are 200mgs a day is not something I would be too worried about, but if you bump it up to 400mgs a day, I would defo make sure you have access to an airconditioned car, office or house. Once the heat kicks in, it's there for a long time and takes ages to wear off.

You could end up feeling like crap but 200mgs should be okay from my personal experience, but you can feel fatigued. Again, sodium and potassium levels and a lot of water is one way of helping with that fatigue. You will drain your sodium quicker with the amount of water you drink so bare that in mind.

Finally, I wouldn't recommend ever going above 400-500mgs a day as it is more than enough for anyone providing it is real. I have tried 600mgs a day and I felt like absolute shite and had to leave work and go home and lay down. I had a friend who was doing 1000mgs a day for 2 weeks and I told him there is no way the stuff is real as he had minimal side effects and at that dose it could have fucked him up or killed him. I never do more than 200mgs a day now.
Thank you. I have read to run a stimulant to combat would that fat burner I listed be fine or is dnp plus the fat burner be too harsh on the organs? I take cardioprotective medication for my heart and vitamins everyday as well
 
As soon as I get off the psychiatric unit I'm running 400mg for 25 days. Wish me luck. I don't mess with keto or fancy diets, just eat once a day or every other day. It's tried and tested, calories in < calories out = weight loss. Everyone has their own method lol. Last time I lost 15kgs = 33lbs in a month. (Went back up to 83). I'm on medications which cause weight gain so it's hard to keep it off.
 
Thank you. I have read to run a stimulant to combat would that fat burner I listed be fine or is dnp plus the fat burner be too harsh on the organs? I take cardioprotective medication for my heart and vitamins everyday as well

Ahh okay my bad, so back when I was competing I took;

DNP 400mgs a day
75mcg of T3 per day
40-80mcg of Clenbuterol per day (This kinda acts like a stimulant) but don't touch it now.
T4 I don't remember the dosage
Tren which is hard on the CNS
80mgs or RITALIN per day - Extremely Powerful stimulant
and much more!

I was also taking RITALIN as I have mild ADHD. This is obviously as potent as it gets for stimulants - a shit load of coffee everyday as well which will defo make a big difference! All I experienced was a hell of a lot of sweating and a lot of fat loss. So, I am not a Dr, but I was absolutely fine on this. I would imagine the access you have to the stimulants suggested would be okay, as I think Ritalin top trumps them by a longgg shot! It may increase your body heat further, but nothing to worry about at 200mgs.

Having been anxious previously about taking DNP many years ago and now having done it 10 plus times. I think the only thing you need to worry about is making sure your sodium and water in take is high. There is no interactions that I am aware of that interferes with DNP as it is its own thing entirely. The only mild interaction is that STIMULANTS may increase your body heat further. However, on 200mgs a day I really don't think it would be anything to worry about, as this is a low dose but still very effective. There is almost no chance of the caps you receive being double dosed in case you maybe worried about that. If anything they will be under dosed. I don't think there is anything to worry about combining stimulants with the DNP at that dosage. If you were doing 600mgs a day then I think maybe I would re-think it.

I recklessly and stupidly went and got hammered on a night out on DNP once when I was younger... fortunately I was fine. Really stupid of me!
 
Ahh okay my bad, so back when I was competing I took;

DNP 400mgs a day
75mcg of T3 per day
40-80mcg of Clenbuterol per day (This kinda acts like a stimulant) but don't touch it now.
T4 I don't remember the dosage
Tren which is hard on the CNS
80mgs or RITALIN per day - Extremely Powerful stimulant
and much more!

I was also taking RITALIN as I have mild ADHD. This is obviously as potent as it gets for stimulants - a shit load of coffee everyday as well which will defo make a big difference! All I experienced was a hell of a lot of sweating and a lot of fat loss. So, I am not a Dr, but I was absolutely fine on this. I would imagine the access you have to the stimulants suggested would be okay, as I think Ritalin top trumps them by a longgg shot! It may increase your body heat further, but nothing to worry about at 200mgs.

Having been anxious previously about taking DNP many years ago and now having done it 10 plus times. I think the only thing you need to worry about is making sure your sodium and water in take is high. There is no interactions that I am aware of that interferes with DNP as it is its own thing entirely. The only mild interaction is that STIMULANTS may increase your body heat further. However, on 200mgs a day I really don't think it would be anything to worry about, as this is a low dose but still very effective. There is almost no chance of the caps you receive being double dosed in case you maybe worried about that. If anything they will be under dosed. I don't think there is anything to worry about combining stimulants with the DNP at that dosage. If you were doing 600mgs a day then I think maybe I would re-think it.

I recklessly and stupidly went and got hammered on a night out on DNP once when I was younger... fortunately I was fine. Really stupid of me!
80mg ritalin is a recreational drug dose bro, 30mg is the normal dose. Be careful, those amphetamines are dangerous.
 
Ahh okay my bad, so back when I was competing I took;

DNP 400mgs a day
75mcg of T3 per day
40-80mcg of Clenbuterol per day (This kinda acts like a stimulant) but don't touch it now.
T4 I don't remember the dosage
Tren which is hard on the CNS
80mgs or RITALIN per day - Extremely Powerful stimulant
and much more!

I was also taking RITALIN as I have mild ADHD. This is obviously as potent as it gets for stimulants - a shit load of coffee everyday as well which will defo make a big difference! All I experienced was a hell of a lot of sweating and a lot of fat loss. So, I am not a Dr, but I was absolutely fine on this. I would imagine the access you have to the stimulants suggested would be okay, as I think Ritalin top trumps them by a longgg shot! It may increase your body heat further, but nothing to worry about at 200mgs.

Having been anxious previously about taking DNP many years ago and now having done it 10 plus times. I think the only thing you need to worry about is making sure your sodium and water in take is high. There is no interactions that I am aware of that interferes with DNP as it is its own thing entirely. The only mild interaction is that STIMULANTS may increase your body heat further. However, on 200mgs a day I really don't think it would be anything to worry about, as this is a low dose but still very effective. There is almost no chance of the caps you receive being double dosed in case you maybe worried about that. If anything they will be under dosed. I don't think there is anything to worry about combining stimulants with the DNP at that dosage. If you were doing 600mgs a day then I think maybe I would re-think it.

I recklessly and stupidly went and got hammered on a night out on DNP once when I was younger... fortunately I was fine. Really stupid of me!
Ahhh I see. I had a heart condition which has reversed so far so I take it easy on stims.
 
As soon as I get off the psychiatric unit I'm running 400mg for 25 days. Wish me luck. I don't mess with keto or fancy diets, just eat once a day or every other day. It's tried and tested, calories in < calories out = weight loss. Everyone has their own method lol. Last time I lost 15kgs = 33lbs in a month. (Went back up to 83). I'm on medications which cause weight gain so it's hard to keep it off.
You can go on a keto diet while you're on weight gaining medications. On a keto diet, your appetite is greatly suppressed that you can easily maintain your weight by eating under maintenance
 
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You can go on a keto diet while you're on weight gaining medications. On a keto diet, your appetite is greatly suppressed that you can easily maintain your weight by eating under maintenance
But damn the keto diet, it seems to me that from the point of view of the negative influence of the body, it’s really bad. I read studies on this topic and once again I was convinced that keto is a very bad option.
 
80mg ritalin is a recreational drug dose bro, 30mg is the normal dose. Be careful, those amphetamines are dangerous.
Oh no don't worry, it was all prescribed by Psychiatrist's. I have been on it since I was about 13... now gunna be 28 in about 3 weeks. 80mgs hardly does anything to me as my tolerance is/was so high. I now take Elvanse if you're in the UK or Yvanse if you're in America which is great for appetite suppression. You are correct as if I drink on the Ritalin it is similar to, but better than cocaine haha.
 
Ahhh I see. I had a heart condition which has reversed so far so I take it easy on stims.
I think it is always best to take it easy on the stims and would avoid if I could. Mine is purely for my ADHD, now ADD. I think several strong coffees per day is a good way to mitigate the fatigue for DNP. It might make you sweat more though. If you do just take a spare top or shirt to wear half way through your day and defo wash your clothes every haha
 
You can go on a keto diet while you're on weight gaining medications. On a keto diet, your appetite is greatly suppressed that you can easily maintain your weight by eating under maintenance
I agree with this. Keto not only gives you more mental clarity and helps with inflammation, but more stamina and consistent energy throughout the day. Only issue I had was that I had no serious power, but I had stamina for days! I felt amazing on it, but it took me a while to get it right as I thought I was in Ketosis, but then I found the keto sticks, dipped it in my pee and realised I wasn't in keto at all ha
 
But damn the keto diet, it seems to me that from the point of view of the negative influence of the body, it’s really bad. I read studies on this topic and once again I was convinced that keto is a very bad option.
I think it is good for short periods of time as the human body does not need any carbs to survive as the body can naturally make enough glucose from meats etc, to survive. (don't quote me on the science, I just know that we do not need carbs to survive). However, I think because we are so addicted to them it takes a long time to adjust to zero carbs. On keto, I feel amazing from a mental health point of view. My heart rate drops right down to 34bpm when I am sleeping and my resting heart rate at work is about 45bpm (when I'm not on any of my ADD stims). I have loads of stamina, but I have no power that is easy to access. My 70% of my one rep max, would require 100% of my effort, so I drop about 20-30% in overall power. I think it has its uses, but long term for me I wouldn't be able to cope I don't think. I'm too addicted to getting a good pump.
 
Ahhh I see. I had a heart condition which has reversed so far so I take it easy on stims.
You will have to let us know how it goes as I am very interested now. Also, hopefully it is legit stuff or at least dosed as correctly as possible. T3 is also mentioned on this site under 'DNP' as something that depletes whilst on it, so defo try and get 25mcg a day in my opinion. It also helps the fat loss being the most popular drug of choice for fat loss. Just drink loads of water and salt with every meal haha.

I wont go into detail but I drank 14 litres in one long very hot summers day over the course of 3 cardio sessions, 1 weights session and a late night walk. I was sweating that much! If I had drunk that without DNP I would have probably killed myself haha. I reckon a good 3-4 litres a day as you will not be able to quench your thirst and you will not piss as much as if you were not on DNP as so much of the water is sweated out and retained in the skin. When you are off it you will piss loads and wake up in the morning with never ending pisses for a few days... but each day you wake up you will look more and more shredded!
 
You will have to let us know how it goes as I am very interested now. Also, hopefully it is legit stuff or at least dosed as correctly as possible. T3 is also mentioned on this site under 'DNP' as something that depletes whilst on it, so defo try and get 25mcg a day in my opinion. It also helps the fat loss being the most popular drug of choice for fat loss. Just drink loads of water and salt with every meal haha.

I wont go into detail but I drank 14 litres in one long very hot summers day over the course of 3 cardio sessions, 1 weights session and a late night walk. I was sweating that much! If I had drunk that without DNP I would have probably killed myself haha. I reckon a good 3-4 litres a day as you will not be able to quench your thirst and you will not piss as much as if you were not on DNP as so much of the water is sweated out and retained in the skin. When you are off it you will piss loads and wake up in the morning with never ending pisses for a few days... but each day you wake up you will look more and more shredded!
I’m definitely gonna try it only at 200mg a day for 14 days. I’m already on gh so I plan on running t4 and t3 however If I am not able to train I don’t want any muscle wasted
 
I’m definitely gonna try it only at 200mg a day for 14 days. I’m already on gh so I plan on running t4 and t3 however If I am not able to train I don’t want any muscle wasted
Muscle wastage shouldn't happen until about 14 days ish. The T3 and being catabolic I don't think 14 days of it would do much at a low dose of 25mcg tbf. Also, I tend to feel like I'm losing muscle mass on DNP but it is just because I'm so depleted of carbs, but you have a rebound after coming off DNP and you fill out like crazy and lose the water weight at the same time, that's when the magic happens. Also, I believe DNP isn't catabolic but could be wrong.

When I haven't been able to train on DNP I have never noticed any changes. If anything you appear bigger when you come off it and rebound as obviously the leaner you look the bigger you look.

It can't hurt to up the test for 2 weeks.
 
Muscle wastage shouldn't happen until about 14 days ish. The T3 and being catabolic I don't think 14 days of it would do much at a low dose of 25mcg tbf. Also, I tend to feel like I'm losing muscle mass on DNP but it is just because I'm so depleted of carbs, but you have a rebound after coming off DNP and you fill out like crazy and lose the water weight at the same time, that's when the magic happens. Also, I believe DNP isn't catabolic but could be wrong.

When I haven't been able to train on DNP I have never noticed any changes. If anything you appear bigger when you come off it and rebound as obviously the leaner you look the bigger you look.

It can't hurt to up the test for 2 weeks.
DNP isn't catabolic, but I heard it also makes it impossible to bulk with. The only way to do that is with Insulin and the synergy is insane.
 
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