2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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The one thing that bothers me the most when I’m running dnp is joint pain, and lethargy. Sweats I can handle (aren’t too bad even at 400mg). Obviously my sleep is worse but it’s okay… but the joint pain and lethargy? Damn…

Currently running 400mg/day, this is day 2 and I’m already facing joint pain and extreme lethargy. Oh well.
 
Do you ever run T3 with DNP? Could offset the lethargy from T4/T3 down regulation.
If I remember correctly, DNP slows T4 to T3 conversion. But I doubt it's happened by day 2...(?)
Caffeine, EGCg, Aspirin could help, not only with energy but add to weightloss.
AOD-9604 is supposed to help with joint pain plus added benefit of weightloss.
Easy, just add more compounds [sarcasm].
While we are at it; DNP increases lactic acid
so let's add IGF-LR3 (or DES) since they are supposed to work with lactic acid affected AR's...(this I'm not exactly sure about but sounds good).
 
The one thing that bothers me the most when I’m running dnp is joint pain, and lethargy. Sweats I can handle (aren’t too bad even at 400mg). Obviously my sleep is worse but it’s okay… but the joint pain and lethargy? Damn…

Currently running 400mg/day, this is day 2 and I’m already facing joint pain and extreme lethargy. Oh well.
i find i can minimize almost all the sides but just running it longer and lower. try 300mg/day maybe and revaluate.

i did this for 3 months straight this past winter and bloods stayed good and only sides i felt were more sensitive to heat and shittyer work outs.
 
Okay guys... 5 days in. Day 1 I started with 200mg. Day 2-5 400mg.

Keep in mind, I've run DNP multiple times before.

So far, all normal sides biggest being elevated temperature. My weight doesn't seem to be moving though.. I'm dialled in on my diet. Probably water weight.

One BIG difference that I've noticed with these DNP capsules, which are from a different source than I'm used to, is severe acid reflux/heart burn. It's so bad, I literally think I won't be able to breathe if I don't move. I've NEVER had acid reflux on DNP, ever. Doesn't matter if I take it on an empty stomach, or after breakfast, or even during the day, I get this weird acid reflux that does eventually go away, but it's not pleasant at all.

Any Vets care to chime in?
 
Okay guys... 5 days in. Day 1 I started with 200mg. Day 2-5 400mg.

Keep in mind, I've run DNP multiple times before.

So far, all normal sides biggest being elevated temperature. My weight doesn't seem to be moving though.. I'm dialled in on my diet. Probably water weight.

One BIG difference that I've noticed with these DNP capsules, which are from a different source than I'm used to, is severe acid reflux/heart burn. It's so bad, I literally think I won't be able to breathe if I don't move. I've NEVER had acid reflux on DNP, ever. Doesn't matter if I take it on an empty stomach, or after breakfast, or even during the day, I get this weird acid reflux that does eventually go away, but it's not pleasant at all.

Any Vets care to chime in?

almost certainly water weight.

also try rinsing the caps off with some water before you take them. ive experienced what you are talking about and someone recommended this to me and it helped. no idea why but it did lol.
 
The one thing that bothers me the most when I’m running dnp is joint pain, and lethargy. Sweats I can handle (aren’t too bad even at 400mg). Obviously my sleep is worse but it’s okay… but the joint pain and lethargy? Damn…

Currently running 400mg/day, this is day 2 and I’m already facing joint pain and extreme lethargy. Oh well.
The ONLY thing I liked about DNP was that I lost weight and damn fast. All the sides sucked balls. I won't touch it again.

The lethargy was certainly a bitch. I didn't feel like doing a god damn thing most of time other than sleeping in my pool of sweat.
 
Okay guys... 5 days in. Day 1 I started with 200mg. Day 2-5 400mg.

Keep in mind, I've run DNP multiple times before.

So far, all normal sides biggest being elevated temperature. My weight doesn't seem to be moving though.. I'm dialled in on my diet. Probably water weight.

One BIG difference that I've noticed with these DNP capsules, which are from a different source than I'm used to, is severe acid reflux/heart burn. It's so bad, I literally think I won't be able to breathe if I don't move. I've NEVER had acid reflux on DNP, ever. Doesn't matter if I take it on an empty stomach, or after breakfast, or even during the day, I get this weird acid reflux that does eventually go away, but it's not pleasant at all.

Any Vets care to chime in?
I've used a lot of dnp, primarily from only 2 or 3 sources. Never had reflux from any of them, so I'm not sure what to think about that.
 
Okay guys... 5 days in. Day 1 I started with 200mg. Day 2-5 400mg.

Keep in mind, I've run DNP multiple times before.

So far, all normal sides biggest being elevated temperature. My weight doesn't seem to be moving though.. I'm dialled in on my diet. Probably water weight.

One BIG difference that I've noticed with these DNP capsules, which are from a different source than I'm used to, is severe acid reflux/heart burn. It's so bad, I literally think I won't be able to breathe if I don't move. I've NEVER had acid reflux on DNP, ever. Doesn't matter if I take it on an empty stomach, or after breakfast, or even during the day, I get this weird acid reflux that does eventually go away, but it's not pleasant at all.

Any Vets care to chime in?
Haven't experienced acid reflux with these, not any more or less than I do when on super low calories and nothing else. I do recommend you wipe down the capsules before you take them, using a napkin or tissue or something, sometimes there's powder on the outside of the capsules that can cause extra irritation.
 
Side note- I usually like to drink a zero calorie electrolyte mix, especially in the mornings to catch up on the massive dehydration overnight. I recently found out that the powder I bought uses Sucralose, which probably is diminishing the effectiveness of the fasted cardio I do in the mornings by triggering an insulin response. If anyone has solid recs for a zero calorie electrolyte powder that doesn't use Sucralose for a sweetener, and preferably doesn't have a ton of random garbage in it, please let me know
 
Side note- I usually like to drink a zero calorie electrolyte mix, especially in the mornings to catch up on the massive dehydration overnight. I recently found out that the powder I bought uses Sucralose, which probably is diminishing the effectiveness of the fasted cardio I do in the mornings by triggering an insulin response. If anyone has solid recs for a zero calorie electrolyte powder that doesn't use Sucralose for a sweetener, and preferably doesn't have a ton of random garbage in it, please let me know
I thought all artificial sweeteners would still elicit an insulin response.
While not of significance when running DNP I do see your dilemma for fasted cardio.
You could dose metformin a bit before cardio.
-If I remember correctly, metformin around cardio is ok but not around any strength or hypertrophy training (due to cAMP & AMPK pathways).
But the benefits of hydrating on DNP surely outweigh the increased insulin???
Good luck, & keep us posted!!!
 
Pretty much done with this run of DNP, had about two weeks of hard dieting without it, and now three weeks on DNP. stuck to 250mg per day for most of the time, bumped to 375mg for the last week. Modulated dose so that blood levels stayed under a certain threshold. This has been the most effective run of DNP I've ever had, I ran it for two week blocks in the past and definitely lost weight, but never quite as much as I expected based on what people said. I should mention that I was extremely aggressive on low calorie diet this time as well, so that probably helped as well. At the start of this 5-week block I had a peak weight (fed, and extra hydrated, right before bed) of 250lb. The last two/three days I've weighed in at just a hair under 220 in the mornings (super dehydrated). I'm happy with the progress I made, and honestly I found that for most of it, I barely experienced any real noticeable side effects. I did dose a single 500mg dose three days ago, and I will say the last two days have been by far the worst of the whole run- I sweat so much I need the AC on me at all times, didn't sleep at al due to just drenching sheets, 0/10 would recommend. I got tempted by trying to squeeze in a smidge more fat loss in the last couple days and it was a mistake, back on the 375 dose now but the sweatiness seems to be sticking around still, pretty excited to be fully dropping DNP now. One thing that was very odd on this run, was that I dropped weight quickly the first week, then fully stalled around 230lb. I was super low calorie, still working out and everything but weight did not want to move. I figured it was some weird water retention so I was annoyed but not too worried. Then I kinda slacked on diet one day and had some shitty carbs (my work ordered some pastries from my favorite place and I had two) and I definitely felt hotter, and then the following day, I shit you not, I weighed in like 8lb lighter than the night before. Since then my weight has hovered around the 220-223lb mark consistently. No idea what weird reaction occurred but I'm not mad at it.

TL;DR: don't fuck with dose if it's working, stay consistent even if weight stalls. Nutraburn has good stuff, be patient with it.
 
How much does DNP raise a persons resting heart rate? How about when strength training or during cardio? Any changes to blood pressure?
Go read the DNP profile.


Code:
https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/dnp/


No one is going to be able to state the exact magnitude of side effects for anyone on any drug ever.

They can't even state with certainty which side effects an individual will experience and which will pass them by. You have used medicine before in your life right?
 
“You have used medicine before in your life right?”

Yes, I’ve used meds before. I was injured overseas and since then I’ve had more than a dozen surgeries, nine of which were to my spine. I spent 3 years in a wheel chair due to severe atrophy and weakness in my legs. I could still walk (not easily), but the wheelchair minimized the falls so I could still be productive. I had AFO’s on both legs / feet for 14 years due to bilateral foot drop. I was on heavy doses of prescribed opiates (Oxy, dilauded, etc) for many years which destroyed my endocrine system, hence the reason I lost so much muscle. My total test was at 38ng/dl, and tested again at 43ng/dl. I started TRT back in 2011 and it gave me my life back once I figured it out myself in 2012, no thanks to most doctors I saw. In 2013 I had all the hardware removed from my back (cage, screws, Medtronic synchromed pump, catheters, etc). No more walkers, or a cane and my legs filled back out with muscle. I’ve been on all kinds of meds over the years, but it’s been kept simple since 2014 (thyroid (Armour), blood pressure (cardizem), and sleep (trazadone), in addition to T Cyp, and sometimes primo or npp and HGH. I’ve been home brewing since 2014 (t, mast, primo, npp) and never had any sterility issues, no infections, etc.

One of my friends is insistent on trying DNP to take off fat. He has issues with intermittent uncontrolled a-fib as do I, which is why I can’t use stimulants. I have no need for DNP (I’m happy where I’m at), but I’m concerned for his health, which is why I was wondering how much it might increase a persons heart rate.
 
DNP does nothing to my heart rate, then again I do run Nebivolol and Pitavastatin among other cardio ancillary products.

Even at standard doses I had no issues with heart rate or being stimulated as it tends to actually make users lethargic.
 
One of my friends is insistent on trying DNP to take off fat. He has issues with intermittent uncontrolled a-fib as do I, which is why I can’t use stimulants. I have no need for DNP (I’m happy where I’m at), but I’m concerned for his health, which is why I was wondering how much it might increase a persons heart rate.

If he has any health issues then DNP is not for him.

If he insists on being stupid make sure he has a will.
 
If he has any health issues then DNP is not for him.

If he insists on being stupid make sure he has a will.
I agree. It’s best to take it slow and steady focusing on diet, nutrition, intermittent fasting, resistance training, cardio, and he’ll get there, but it takes discipline and time. Then it’a a matter of staying on track to stay optimized, otherwise it’s a game of yo yo’ing.
 
I agree. It’s best to take it slow and steady focusing on diet, nutrition, intermittent fasting, resistance training, cardio, and he’ll get there, but it takes discipline and time. Then it’a a matter of staying on track to stay optimized, otherwise it’s a game of yo yo’ing.
He likely will not want to hear any of that though.
 
I am trying out Oxygens DNP. 100mg/day and on day 5. Other things I am on is TRT < 150mg/week and 3iu HGH ED in the am. Splitting caps into powder with a mg scale, mixing with Thick It and swallowing the glob of DNP/Gelatin.

Going to do 7 days, then 7 off, and next time go to 200mg/ED if all is good.

BTW to the person who stated they get acid reflux, I am getting none of that even with suspending it in Thick It.
 
Can anyone reccommend somewhere to get DNP shipped to UK? I've paid PremiersPeptides for the shipment but it is obviously a scam as they sent me an email from an unknown shipping dervice saying I need to pay another $380 'refundable' insurance to the shippers before I can receive my package.....I realise now it's obviously a scam and I've lost my money....so don't want to repeat the experience if anyone can help?...I can't see DNP listed on Oxygen's site, but Ive sent them an enquiry....and Nutriburn site blocks entry dueto my region.Thanks
 
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