2 for 2 in court this week

From what I understand the guy that got his bicep blown off won't be charged for anything if I'm correct. I haven't looked into it, but I remember hearing that he wouldn't be charged on the news.
 
You are correct on that and apparently Grosskreutz had his expunged. He had an expired CCW.
Oh didn't realize that as that expungement was not mentioned. In that case he could avoid any fed charges, but wasn't he on parole for some crime?
 
Oh didn't realize that as that expungement was not mentioned. In that case he could avoid any fed charges, but wasn't he on parole for some crime?
I didn’t look too much further into his status, but apparently the little puke has a way of getting off of charges, like when he was pulled over for drunk driving.
 
@Jestopherson

I seen you arguing against the AR-15 in favor of a shotgun because you believe it to be somehow, less deadly?

A shotgun has around an 80% chance of killing a person if they are hit just once, if my memory serves me.

An Ar-15 is far less. In fact, a shotgun will do far more damage than most any rifle or pistol, and almost without question, if you are talking about being hit just once.

Statistically, this felonious, hero of a medic that had his bicep shot off, would have most likely died, had a shotgun been used instead of an AR-15.

Food for thought for all you BLM supporting pacifists out there...
 
@Jestopherson

I seen you arguing against the AR-15 in favor of a shotgun because you believe it to be somehow, less deadly?

A shotgun has around an 80% chance of killing a person if they are hit just once, if my memory serves me.

An Ar-15 is far less. In fact, a shotgun will do far more damage than most any rifle or pistol, and almost without question, if you are talking about being hit just once.

Statistically, this felonious, hero of a medic that had his bicep shot off, would have most likely died, had a shotgun been used instead of an AR-15.

Food for thought for all you BLM supporting pacifists out there...
Depends upon the shotgun.

.410 gauge with Birdshot? 12 gauge 3 1/2 mag with buckshot. Two totally different birds. 12 Gauge slugs do a good job also.
 
@Jestopherson

I seen you arguing against the AR-15 in favor of a shotgun because you believe it to be somehow, less deadly?

A shotgun has around an 80% chance of killing a person if they are hit just once, if my memory serves me.

An Ar-15 is far less. In fact, a shotgun will do far more damage than most any rifle or pistol, and almost without question, if you are talking about being hit just once.

Statistically, this felonious, hero of a medic that had his bicep shot off, would have most likely died, had a shotgun been used instead of an AR-15.

Food for thought for all you BLM supporting pacifists out there...
Never once argued it was less deadly shot for shot. However an AR Is almost always chosen when the intent is to inflict as much damage as possible.

Please refer to the majority of recent mass shootings in the states.

And I'm not sure why you're insinuating I'm a pacifist?

I own multiple guns, in multiple calibers, including AP rounds and plate carriers along with level 3 helmets. I fucking love guns.

I just am in full belief the punk had a heros complex and went In hoping for the opportunity to pull the trigger, to which he found.

Please state what the felon was convicted of. I've seen it referenced numerous times. But when questioned everyone fails to answer. I sure hope it was a violent crime.

Because what I've found is his conviction was expunged, unless you're referring to when he shot a firearm while consuming alcohol? Which makes you a fucking idiot for comparing that to a child wielding a fucking AR15 with a 30 round magazine.

And who hasn't had a beer when out shooting in the bush? It's practically Canadian tradition and last I checked we have far FAR fewer deaths and incidents involving firearms oddly enough.

So let's quit it with this felon thing attempting to grasp at straws. You're acting like he touches children or some shit.
 
Depends upon the shotgun.

.410 gauge with Birdshot? 12 gauge 3 1/2 mag with buckshot. Two totally different birds. 12 Gauge slugs do a good job also.
Exactly and are we talking birdshot at 25 feet or point blank? An 556 is a 556. Shotgun is an assortment.
 
Depends upon the shotgun.

.410 gauge with Birdshot? 12 gauge 3 1/2 mag with buckshot. Two totally different birds. 12 Gauge slugs do a good job also.
I don't know anyone who uses a .410 for self defense. That's a stretch. Now granted, a .410 would be better than nothing if you needed to defend yourself.
 
We probably agree on more than we disagree. I would have never driven one of my boys to participate in something like this. I certainly don't let them handle a firearm without being under my strict supervision. There were a lot of things that went wrong here. I don't weep for these particular "victims", but I do think Kyle's mother showed very poor judgement in allowing her so to be there.
His father and family live in Kenosha..he was FAR less detached from “home” than any news outlet let on. I don’t think he should’ve been there, my son wouldn’t be, but he has as much “right” to be there as anyone and was in fact doing exactly what he said he was doing.

In fact, I believe the individuals who were shot traveled further to Kenosha than Kyle did. “Across state lines” was a few miles and totally irrelevant.
 
Never once argued it was less deadly shot for shot. However an AR Is almost always chosen when the intent is to inflict as much damage as possible.

Please refer to the majority of recent mass shootings in the states.

And I'm not sure why you're insinuating I'm a pacifist?

I own multiple guns, in multiple calibers, including AP rounds and plate carriers along with level 3 helmets. I fucking love guns.

I just am in full belief the punk had a heros complex and went In hoping for the opportunity to pull the trigger, to which he found.

Please state what the felon was convicted of. I've seen it referenced numerous times. But when questioned everyone fails to answer. I sure hope it was a violent crime.

Because what I've found is his conviction was expunged, unless you're referring to when he shot a firearm while consuming alcohol? Which makes you a fucking idiot for comparing that to a child wielding a fucking AR15 with a 30 round magazine.

And who hasn't had a beer when out shooting in the bush? It's practically Canadian tradition and last I checked we have far FAR fewer deaths and incidents involving firearms oddly enough.

So let's quit it with this felon thing attempting to grasp at straws. You're acting like he touches children or some shit.
When you read the little information available about the "victim" that survived Rittenhouse trying to murder him in cold blood", you find that he had a felony that was expunged. Looking at his past, it would appear that he has had multiple run ins with the law, including most recently taking pictures of private cop cars vehicles, likely to help his Antifa comrades with some sort of terrorism.

He appears to be smart enough to stay out of major trouble and pay the lawyer fees to get him off the hook when he's been caught being up to no good.

As a matter of fact, one of the two who died was a convicted pedophile and ironically, he died while trying to touch a minor.

The other was a convicted wife beater. Repeat domestic abuser convicted of strangulation, felony use of a weapon, etc.

If it were true that an AR is almost always chosen, we would have lots more dead people from ARs and rifles in general, but that isn't what the numbers support. The vast majority of gun deaths in America come via handgun and mostly due to gang violence. As a matter of fact, we have many more people killed with knives in America than all rifles combined.

Kyle's intent was to help with medical emergencies, protect businesses and the AR was for self defense. That's cool that you own guns but how is the concept of self defense so foreign to you?

You are apparently fine with this lone survivor who was also there illegally carrying a gun while supposedly there to provide medical assistance, the same as Rittenhouse. He fucking got shot when he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse, not before. His own testimony said that Rittenhouse didn't shoot when he had his hands up but when he pointed the gun. Case closed, bro.

I think you are a decent enough guy from shit I've read you post on the forums but if you point a fucking gun at me or anyone else for that matter, you shouldn't act surprised when you get shot.
 
Because what I've found is his conviction was expunged, unless you're referring to when he shot a firearm while consuming alcohol? Which makes you a fucking idiot for comparing that to a child wielding a fucking AR15 with a 30 round magazine.
Kinda tough to know what his felony was once it's been expunged. Doesn't mean he wasn't convicted and found guilty of one.

And Rittenhouse wasn't a child. He was 17 at the time and is 18 now. I don't know about Canada or if y'all even have your own military, but in America, 18 year olds join the service and have died defending this country for as long as I can remember.
And who hasn't had a beer when out shooting in the bush?
Though I don't think it's generally a big deal to have a beer while out shooting, I choose to refrain from that behavior because I have no desire to catch a stupid fucking charge like that.
It's practically Canadian tradition and last I checked we have far FAR fewer deaths and incidents involving firearms oddly enough.
Oddly enough, you folks also only have a fraction of our population. Weird, I know...
So let's quit it with this felon thing attempting to grasp at straws. You're acting like he touches children or some shit.
Hard to say. He may have but that felony was expunged so we'll probably never know. What we do know, is one of the three douche bags that he shot was a convicted pedo, so good riddance to bad rubbish.

 
So let's quit it with this felon thing attempting to grasp at straws.
So a small reading shows his expunged felony was for burglary. He had another felony for DWI, which was magically expunged 3 days prior to the Rittenhouse trial. Therefore, he was a felon in possession of a firearm the night justice was served to him in Kenosha. All of his court records are public available. Fine upstanding citizen he is :rolleyes:

Why are you so intent on grasping at straws trying to prove him to be some innocent guy?
 
So a small reading shows his expunged felony was for burglary. He had another felony for DWI, which was magically expunged 3 days prior to the Rittenhouse trial. Therefore, he was a felon in possession of a firearm the night justice was served to him in Kenosha. All of his court records are public available. Fine upstanding citizen he is :rolleyes:

Why are you so intent on grasping at straws trying to prove him to be some innocent guy?
I never said he was innocent prior to this, however whatever he did before doesn't and shouldn't condemn him for what happened that night.
He had his hands in the air and Rittenhouse tried to fire on him. Using the right to defend oneself that you're preaching. He should've put one between that baby faces eyes. But for some reason you believe that because his permit was expired he shouldn't have the right to defend his own life? That's what I'm not understanding here. I'm neither right nor left. The thing that keeps me from leaning right is you guys pick one single detail and turn that into your hill to die on and refuse to listen to anything else. It's your way or fuck off.
 
I never said he was innocent prior to this, however whatever he did before doesn't and shouldn't condemn him for what happened that night.
He had his hands in the air and Rittenhouse tried to fire on him. Using the right to defend oneself that you're preaching. He should've put one between that baby faces eyes. But for some reason you believe that because his permit was expired he shouldn't have the right to defend his own life? That's what I'm not understanding here. I'm neither right nor left. The thing that keeps me from leaning right is you guys pick one single detail and turn that into your hill to die on and refuse to listen to anything else. It's your way or fuck off.
Like it or not, he (an active participant in a riot) was shot for pointing a weapon at a victim who was being attacked and in fear for their life.

A jury found the shooter not guilty on those grounds.. that's it.. that's all!

The defence rests.
 
I never said he was innocent prior to this, however whatever he did before doesn't and shouldn't condemn him for what happened that night.
He had his hands in the air and Rittenhouse tried to fire on him. Using the right to defend oneself that you're preaching. He should've put one between that baby faces eyes. But for some reason you believe that because his permit was expired he shouldn't have the right to defend his own life? That's what I'm not understanding here. I'm neither right nor left. The thing that keeps me from leaning right is you guys pick one single detail and turn that into your hill to die on and refuse to listen to anything else. It's your way or fuck off.
Again, you are interjecting your feelings into this. The evidence and even Gaige’s own admission was that he was NOT a victim or defending himself. Are you really that dense?
 
Did you listen to the trial at all? Gauge admitted to pointing his firearm at Kyle prior to being engaged and shot. Exactly what part of a 3 week trial do you believe you have a better handle of than the jurors, lawyers, and witnesses involved?
In a “WTF?!?!” moment, even Gaige’s lawyer dropped his head when Gaige stated he pointed his gun at him. He knew in that moment the case was over. But hey - @Jestopherson knows or has seen something no one else has, even Gaige’s lawyer :eek:
 
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