2 girls, DNP… and never say never…lol

[legendary]

I always need cuddles and snuggles.... but I think you need to take a number... I know @Masters Power has offered first ...ahhh hell, there is room for more!!! More heat, I'll be happier!

Haha. He called dibs. More than 1 is too many for me lol

 

[Masters Power]

Haha. He called dibs. More than 1 is too many for me lol

I completely agree!!

Plus someone is about to start a large test, NPP, tren cycle. There will be plenty of body heat to keep her warm no matter how cold @GearGodess feet are.

 

[ILUV2LIFT]

Would love to see progress pics. Don't know much about dnp, curious to see what it can do.

 

[GearGodess]

UPDATE – END OF WEEK 9 – GG’s OFF DNP full week after 1 week taper off…

Day 58 – OFF DNP… wow this may be a trick or my body has eliminated a lot of it already as I am actually feeling a little cold today. Temperature is at 37 today and I definitely felt a chill. My heat at home is now adjusted to 66 the last couple days and I feel as if I need to adjust it again.

I have boosted all my supplementation since last week, basically doubled everything I was taking. Including NAC, B12, Magnesium, Vit C, Multi, etc… I am drinking additional electrolytes too, just in case. I did feel as if my fasted cardio session seemed easier today and I increased the level of it and went full 30mins without any problems at a higher level. Will see how my workout goes later.

Day 59-60 – my hands and feet are back to feeling like icicles… also find it chilly now and it’s now winter warm coat time! The temperature has dropped outside to between 5-10F as well and my house heat has increased again to 68 but still felt very cold and I’m pretty much wearing a snow suit inside compared to just a couple weeks ago! lol

Day 61 – It’s Friday (Jan 6) and it’s CHEAT DAY!!!! I have been incorporating more carbs this week and have been eating a bit more than I have the last few weeks… what amazes me is the strangest thing. This week and every day I wake up, I look different! In the best possible way, I see that my body has changed quite a bit in the 8 week total run even at the low doses (even with the first week and last week being super low doses due to tapering up then down). Actually didn’t think some areas had much wiggle room but apparently I was wrong. My waist being one as I am fairly square/straight shaped but have been seeing my mid section trim more to a curvy look. So that’s a bonus!

Day 62-63 – I have noticed that my appetite totally dropped this weekend, I’m hardly wanting to eat anything and I am not craving anything. I’ve had to resort to drinking a few protein shakes through the day just for quick fix but even that was a struggle. I have started off my days with good breakfasts like bacon, eggs, and even a pancake! YES! I decided to treat myself but still stayed within manageable numbers. It’s been a busy weekend and I actually didn’t get to do my full workouts or full cardio due to my schedule this weekend. But I am OK with that. It was a profitable weekend to say the least. Lol… So it was worth it.


Now the fun stuff. My results!

So I did the measurements and I wanted to show for a comparison.

I started off with:

135lbs and 15%bf – today I am 12.4% and 123lbs (loss of 2.6% - 3.51lbs fat) 12lbs total – which I am sure majority is water as I was hovering around 128-130lbs while on dnp and there is definitely fat loss and possibly a tiny amount of muscle but not too much was lost, plus the fact that I am 7 weeks off cycle too (since Nov 21). So I’m very happy overall.

Measurements that have changed:
Chest (under boob) still the same at 32”
Waist went from 25 to 24”
Hips went from 34 to 33”
Thigh went from 21 to 20.75”


As for the girl, she got her “evil red” again, a few days early this time but she says she feels good otherwise. We haven’t been training together this past week again but she has been checking in. She is feeling less bloat now. She is still holding water but she says she noticed her tummy isn’t as bloated. Could have been “evil red” related too… on top of DNP.

She’s entering week 10 and the final week! I think she has made great progress and I will post her comparison once we get it all done. She says she is happy with where she is at and is looking forward to seeing the final result and numbers. She says that she is also starting to crave things today which is odd as I didn’t experience that and she didn’t have a problem in the earlier weeks either.


So overall, I have to say, I would consider DNP again if need be or if anyone comes to me for advice then I will be comfortable guiding them through it (if they are set on it) as now I know what to expect and how it feels from my own experience and the girl that I have been working with… is it wrong that I’m tempted to use it through winters just to warm myself back up …just a tiny little dose… I really do hate winter!

 

[legendary]

Nice update. Yea winter sucks. 10f here this week

 

[MrRippedZilla]

For those who aren't aware, 12.6%bf for a girl is the equivalent to the 6-7% ballpark for dudes - fucking shredded.

Good job GG

 

[ILUV2LIFT]

I agree. 12% bf is awesome!

 

[Trapmonster]

Before and after pics?

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Before and after pics?

Bated, our breaths are, as we await

 

[Masters Power]

I agree. 12% bf is awesome!

Yes it is. @GearGodess and @Wendylifts are both in the 12% bf range. Even more awesome because neither are in their twenties although I think there is an agreement amongst all parties that they are going to age in reverse with each subsequent birthday.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Yes it is. @GearGodess and @Wendylifts are both in the 12% bf range. Even more awesome because neither are in their twenties although I think there is an agreement amongst all parties that they are going to age in reverse with each subsequent birthday.

My wife isn't far off, she's low teens. And she's 47. Hard as a rock. Needs to get the @GearGodess mammalian protruberance upgrade, flat as a board. :-(

But she can do 10 close grip pull ups and over 20 clean dips.

So it can be done without meds.

 

[Wendylifts]

My wife isn't far off, she's low teens. And she's 47. Hard as a rock. Needs to get the @GearGodess mammalian protruberance upgrade, flat as a board. :-(

But she can do 10 close grip pull ups and over 20 clean dips.

So it can be done without meds.

I think that's the biggest lesson I've learned with gear. It isn't magic. It just gives you a little oomph. You know? If you bring it to 10 it will get you to 11. You can't start at 5 or 6 and get there. You have to be pretty fkn close on your own.


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[Masters Power]

My wife isn't far off, she's low teens. And she's 47. Hard as a rock. Needs to get the @GearGodess mammalian protruberance upgrade, flat as a board. :-(

But she can do 10 close grip pull ups and over 20 clean dips.

So it can be done without meds.

That's impressive. She and Wendy actually sound pretty similar. Wendy is extremely strong and the doses she has run have been pretty small.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

That's impressive. She and Wendy actually sound pretty similar. Wendy is extremely strong and the doses she has run have been pretty small.

Thanks, yeah, she's not big, only 52kg, but pretty strong. More of the calisthenic build.

Considering doing 10mg of var on workout days. But that's just talk atm.

 

[legendary]

@GearGodess so I'm assuming your happy with results?

 

[GearGodess]

For those who aren't aware, 12.6%bf for a girl is the equivalent to the 6-7% ballpark for dudes - fucking shredded.

Good job GG

Thanks MrZilla! You and Docd have been there for me and have helped me a lot. Even though I didn't know what to expect, it was a pure experiment for me, I am quite happy with it!

I think the girl is too. She is getting all giddy about her time off and curious how she will look. I can see it in her already so I think it will be great!

I think I can call it a successful run for the both of us!

 

[GearGodess]

I think that's the biggest lesson I've learned with gear. It isn't magic. It just gives you a little oomph. You know? If you bring it to 10 it will get you to 11. You can't start at 5 or 6 and get there. You have to be pretty fkn close on your own.


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You have definitely proved that. You are amazingly strong as is and your constant "complaint" was that you aren't crazy strong, but you still kept your strength increasing steadily even in a deficit... which proves, this is to assist you and help you surpass goals but you must work your butt off to get there. AAS are complimentary to your whole lifestyle and not a magic fix. And there is a time and place for all compounds

 

[GearGodess]

UPDATE – END OF WEEK 10 – me - OFF DNP 2 weeks…The girl completed her taper off week…

Day 64 (Jan 9) – going into taper off week for the girl. She’s using the same set up as I did. Seemed to work for me. LOL

Day 65- very strange as my girl said she is having insane cravings. And cravings that she didn’t have before for starchy carbs but not so much sugars. We have increased her cals to the same set up as we had the first couple weeks. Hopefully that helps.

Day 66 – her cravings are getting pretty bad to a point she said when she woke up at night she wanted to eat something like bread or pasta as she was hungry! And that was in the middle of the night. Weird. I need MrRippedZilla help!

Day 67-70 – cravings continue but she said she is getting a bit of a chill now so that means the DNP is definitely depleting from her system. She doesn’t think she has lost any water yet and the diet stays the same. She has increased her water intake again to see if she can fight those cravings.

Day 71 (Jan 16) – today is a day off dnp. She said she definitely feels colder outside. Nothing else much to report for today.

Mr.Zilla, to answer your questions, sorry for the delay but I didn’t get to see her as much to get answers/updates right away. Her walk around bf% is typically around the 18% mark and she said that she typically has no issue maintaining that. When she needed to, she was able to cut down to 15-16% but couldn’t maintain it for too long and it was a pretty intense regimen and diet. So I think her genetics definitely play a role here. She definitely needs a lot of help to get below that she said.

FYI: I do find it odd too as some get insane cravings and I am still lacking my appetite. I have literally been living off protein shakes just to get something in my system and a little bit of food.

I did suggest she tries sibutramine as it works well with appetite suppression but she decided to wait it out. May need to incorporate it after if her cravings continue and I think she will also incorporate the T3 while off as well. I guess we will see what this week will bring… her deadline is this weekend!!!  So I will have her results next week.

 

[legendary]

her cravings are getting pretty bad to a point she said when she woke up at night she wanted to eat something like bread or pasta as she was hungry! And that was in the middle of the night. Weird. I need MrRippedZilla help!

Sounds like my wife when she was prego

 

[MrRippedZilla]

For those not following our conversation over at UG, here was my initial post that GG is referring to:

How lean has she been previously? What was she used to maintaining, bf% wise, before her coach ****ed her up?
Carb cravings are common, I and many others get them, but its interesting that she's suffering as she's tapering off...it may have a lot more to do with the weight/fat loss than DNP per se.

Depending on her past, and her set/settling points specifically, there may be very little that you can do about this and mental discipline becomes the primary determinant of her success.
Even if it is due to DNP, my hunch is that NPY is involved and that is a tough little path to side step without experimenting with other drugs (how willing are you/she to do that?).

Some non-pharmaceutical suggestions that may or may not help:
- You can try manipulating her food choices (more fibre, lower caloric dense foods), playing with meal frequency (higher or lower, try both), depending on what times of the day she feels the most ravenous you can play around with nutrient timing, etc.
- Reducing the size of the dietary deficit by reintroducing some carbs is an obvious step to take but depends on how "fixed" her time frame to hit this goal is.
- How far away is she from her post-dnp refeed? You could increase the duration of the refeed, when it comes, so that it lasts 2-3 days at maintenance cals in order to allow her to get more carbs in (warning: I have no idea how good her post-carb satiety is and this may turn into a full binge).
- Taking a full diet break, a brief period of a few weeks eating at maintenance, post-dnp in order to help renormalize some metabolic stuff (again, may not be possible on a strict time frame).

Appetite suppression involves multiple pathways (that's why you don't a DNP equivalent for it in terms of efficacy) and if it does have to with NPY and/or genetic limits then she's in for a rough ride without extra drugs I'm afraid.
Even if she's willing to go the pharma route, it would involve a lot of experimenting to find the right choice (due to the multiple pathways involved) and I'm uncertain if she should go down this path (your a different story due to your experience and so on).

Carb cravings are one of the main reasons why people get poor results on DNP - not that any of them will openly admit that they pig out of course

And now:
If she's at that 15-16% mark then you have your answer - its a genetic, not dnp, issue.

Genetics are what they are and, outside of some of the ideas I gave earlier, there really isn't much we (helpers) can do about her appetite - its all about her mental discipline now.

As far as pharmaceutical options, Sibutramine is an excellent idea and something I've found to be extremely helpful but its important to keep in mind the multiple pathways involved in appetite regulation and, depending on which one is the main issue for her, it may take a bit of trial & error to come up with the right solution . I still think its an NPY issue but that's just an educated guess on my behalf.

Be careful with the T3 beyond replacement doses as it may actually INCREASE her appetite even further, which is not what you want. At best, its effect on appetite specifically may be neutral but it certainly won't be suppressive - something to be aware of.

I'll add that this is why you don't see average-fat people getting lean and staying in that conditioning for very long - your fighting your own biology and most lose.