24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[OdieM]

While I appreciate your honestly that is still No Bueno. Your dosing your gear almost 100mg higher then what it should actually be and you have no idea what it really is. Your just geussing. I understand your logic. I just started brewing myself. I brewed some testE 250 today and I labeled it 200. But I am not selling any of mine. I never would until I ran it and did blood work so I could properly label it.

 

[24kpharma]

While I appreciate your honestly that is still No Bueno. Your dosing your gear almost 100mg higher then what it should actually be and you have no idea what it really is. Your just geussing. I understand your logic. I just started brewing myself. I brewed some testE 250 today and I labeled it 200. But I am not selling any of mine. I never would until I ran it and did blood work so I could properly label it.

Hey, thanks for your input. The statement is absolutely correct that I am guessing, I do not have the access right now for more thorough quantitative analysis. Another QA procedure I am working on right now, and mentioned earlier, is having a 6-8 week delay from when a batch arrives and brewed and when it is tested. During this period I intent to provide it free of charge for willing local customers to run bloodwork, from there I would post the results for this community to help interpret. Unfortunately, I do not have the scientific nor experiential knowledge in interpreting blood work. I can simply post, ask for community feedback and dose that batch accordingly. I cannot and am not stating that my product is dosed accurately at all- that is a statement I cannot make. All I can say is that I am working to put processes in place to help with dosing accuracy. Because this community has not deemed my product "passable" for selling, I continually try to make clear that I am not selling product here. My updates have been quality checks for myself and to show the community that I am taking suggestions to heart. Thanks for reading.

 

[fastasf]

I can appreciate your honesty and straight forward approach. However, I can't help but think that you're heading down a path with LE waiting at the end. You don't seem experienced enough to have taken the necessary precautions to protect yourself or your clients. And as others have said, dealing online and locally is just asking for trouble. At the very least I would have a different label/brand for online vs in person. You definitely don't want someone local who knows you personally to also realize you are a huge source online if it were to come to that.

 

[24kpharma]

I can appreciate your honesty and straight forward approach. However, I can't help but think that you're heading down a path with LE waiting at the end. You don't seem experienced enough to have taken the necessary precautions to protect yourself or your clients. And as others have said, dealing online and locally is just asking for trouble. At the very least I would have a different label/brand for online vs in person. You definitely don't want someone local who knows you personally to also realize you are a huge source online if it were to come to that.

Thanks for the feedback, and you do bring up a very important point. As stated in some of my initial posts, I do not have any intentions to be a big source. I would like to stay relatively small. My goal is a small group of clientele that buy in bulk. In such cases, I do not mind making different labels for each bulk buyer. As noted, I do have different labels for online and local customers. Admittedly presentation is a large part of online sales and local customers have vials that are plain (compound, dosage, and batch number). For online and local labels I do not have "24kpharma" on them - if an individual were to be caught with the product I do not want to make it any easier for law enforcement to lead it back to 24k Pharma.

Admittedly in this business there are inherent risks and risk minimization is the best any UGL can do. I believe complete risk elimination is impossible. A few policy changes I have made in the past months (this can be referenced on other communities as well) are no tracking numbers unless package does not arrive by expected delivery date, packages being mailed from multiple locations and even states, and the elimination of Western Union as a payment method due to security issues.

Ultimately I believe the biggest risk reduction I can undertake in this business is to limit the size of the business. This has been a priority since the very beginning and I have tried to be as transparent as possible in this regards. Any other security suggestions or improvements, I am completely open to. The number one priority above all else is safety of myself and customers.

 

[Johnson513]

While I appreciate your honestly that is still No Bueno. Your dosing your gear almost 100mg higher then what it should actually be and you have no idea what it really is. Your just geussing. I understand your logic. I just started brewing myself. I brewed some testE 250 today and I labeled it 200. But I am not selling any of mine. I never would until I ran it and did blood work so I could properly label it.

Cmon man... That made me laugh coming from you... What do you think your buddy Hammer is doing??

******I AM IN NO WAY BACKING OR EVER ORDERING FROM 24k labs*****
(quick disclaimer)

Hammer does the same exact thing... Do you honestly think Hammer gets 99% pure raws???

Look, I'm glad you finally found a source you like, and it's quite evident in ALL your posts in his thread, that you're happy with his product and a big ummm fan of Hammer... Unfortunately, you are kidding or lying to yourself if you think Hammer doesn't overdose his gear in efforts to meet label claims. Hammer and 24k do the same thing, the only difference is 24k cops to it and Hammer would never admit it for this very reason... People would possibly scrutinize said product.

Let's take a look:
This was Hammer's response when asked about him doing testing on his product.

None. We have just gone off feedback. Feedback like.. Skin ripping pumps, up 20lbs, wanna fuck everything that walks. Stuff like that. So I know we have an excellent product and eventually you guys will too. Keep an eye out you'll see feedback, bloods and LabMax on Meso from us in the near future.

Ahh, ok... That is what it is... "Stuff like that" He doesn't test his products...

I have answered his question... I said it before we have not tested our raws. That we have based everything off of feedback up to this point. I have an excellent long term relationship with my raw guy and if anything ever tested bad from any members I wouid 100% replace their gear with new stuff from new raws my guy will send me. Like I keep saying give me a little time here at Meso to prove myself. It's not going to happen overnight. I'm in no rush at all.

Interesting... Then INH noticed something at EVO in Hammer's intro that was discarded from the intro he gave us here...


I think that finding is pretty interesting...
It makes me think that he knows he CAN'T claim 250mg/ml, 300mg/ml etc etc etc. So he removed it from his introduction...
It also looks like an effort to elude the question of "How do you know it's 250/300mg/ml if you do no testing?"
Oh, but Hammer is different... He has a "relationship" with his raws supplier.
Hammer did his Hammer and typically disrespected one of our members with his response....

You're crazy bro lol lol. Do you watch those 9-11 was an inside job on YouTube videos? Lol

Yes, yes, yes... That was such a "crazy" find by @insertnamehere

With all do respect I'm not done here at all. As I've said since the beginning of this thread we have not performed tests on our raws. We have based our quality control off feedback and damn good feedback we've had. If you don't want to order then please do not order. We are here to earn a rep and that is something that is going to take time guys. Happy New Years to you fellas I hope 2015 is a great year for you.

So Odie, (if it's not too late) since you frequent Hammer's thread on here and EVO too, next time you pop in, why don't you ask Hammer how the fuck he knows his gear is 250,300mg/ml? Ask him if he brews his gear right on the nose because his raw supplier is handing him 100% pure untested raws? Ask him if he ever has to overdose his products at all?

Although I'm sick to my stomach with 24k's first sentence replies of validation, at least his ass is honest and no laying lies of omission everywhere... That's less sickening than some of the other shit I've seen in Hammer's thread as of late.....

 

[MoriorInvictus]

Cmon man... That made me laugh coming from you... What do you think your buddy Hammer is doing??

******I AM IN NO WAY BACKING OR EVER ORDERING FROM 24k labs*****
(quick disclaimer)

Hammer does the same exact thing... Do you honestly think Hammer gets 99% pure raws???

Look, I'm glad you finally found a source you like, and it's quite evident in ALL your posts in his thread, that you're happy with his product and a big ummm fan of Hammer... Unfortunately, you are kidding or lying to yourself if you think Hammer doesn't overdose his gear in efforts to meet label claims. Hammer and 24k do the same thing, the only difference is 24k cops to it and Hammer would never admit it for this very reason... People would possibly scrutinize said product.

Let's take a look:
This was Hammer's response when asked about him doing testing on his product.

Ahh, ok... That is what it is... "Stuff like that" He doesn't test his products...



Interesting... Then INH noticed something at EVO in Hammer's intro that was discarded from the intro he gave us here...

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I think that finding is pretty interesting...
It makes me think that he knows he CAN'T claim 250mg/ml, 300mg/ml etc etc etc. So he removed it from his introduction...
It also looks like an effort to elude the question of "How do you know it's 250/300mg/ml if you do no testing?"
Oh, but Hammer is different... He has a "relationship" with his raws supplier.
Hammer did his Hammer and typically disrespected one of our members with his response....

Yes, yes, yes... That was such a "crazy" find by @insertnamehere



So Odie, (if it's not too late) since you frequent Hammer's thread on here and EVO too, next time you pop in, why don't you ask Hammer how the fuck he knows his gear is 250,300mg/ml? Ask him if he brews his gear right on the nose because his raw supplier is handing him 100% pure untested raws? Ask him if he ever has to overdose his products at all?

Although I'm sick to my stomach with 24k's first sentence replies of validation, at least his ass is honest and no laying lies of omission everywhere... That's less sickening than some of the other shit I've seen in Hammer's thread as of late.....

Very insightful post!

 

[biggerben69]

If someone or yourself gets careless and busted for possession during a traffic stop the first thing they are gonna do is hit your pad.

I can appreciate your honesty and straight forward approach. However, I can't help but think that you're heading down a path with LE waiting at the end. You don't seem experienced enough to have taken the necessary precautions to protect yourself or your clients. And as others have said, dealing online and locally is just asking for trouble. At the very least I would have a different label/brand for online vs in person. You definitely don't want someone local who knows you personally to also realize you are a huge source online if it were to come to that.

 

[OdieM]

Cmon man... That made me laugh coming from you... What do you think your buddy Hammer is doing??

******I AM IN NO WAY BACKING OR EVER ORDERING FROM 24k labs*****
(quick disclaimer)

Hammer does the same exact thing... Do you honestly think Hammer gets 99% pure raws???

Look, I'm glad you finally found a source you like, and it's quite evident in ALL your posts in his thread, that you're happy with his product and a big ummm fan of Hammer... Unfortunately, you are kidding or lying to yourself if you think Hammer doesn't overdose his gear in efforts to meet label claims. Hammer and 24k do the same thing, the only difference is 24k cops to it and Hammer would never admit it for this very reason... People would possibly scrutinize said product.

Let's take a look:
This was Hammer's response when asked about him doing testing on his product.

Ahh, ok... That is what it is... "Stuff like that" He doesn't test his products...



Interesting... Then INH noticed something at EVO in Hammer's intro that was discarded from the intro he gave us here...

View attachment 20103
I think that finding is pretty interesting...
It makes me think that he knows he CAN'T claim 250mg/ml, 300mg/ml etc etc etc. So he removed it from his introduction...
It also looks like an effort to elude the question of "How do you know it's 250/300mg/ml if you do no testing?"
Oh, but Hammer is different... He has a "relationship" with his raws supplier.
Hammer did his Hammer and typically disrespected one of our members with his response....

Yes, yes, yes... That was such a "crazy" find by @insertnamehere



So Odie, (if it's not too late) since you frequent Hammer's thread on here and EVO too, next time you pop in, why don't you ask Hammer how the fuck he knows his gear is 250,300mg/ml? Ask him if he brews his gear right on the nose because his raw supplier is handing him 100% pure untested raws? Ask him if he ever has to overdose his products at all?

Although I'm sick to my stomach with 24k's first sentence replies of validation, at least his ass is honest and no laying lies of omission everywhere... That's less sickening than some of the other shit I've seen in Hammer's thread as of late.....

Actually hammer isn't my buddy. Lol. I can tell his gear is underdosed but I don't have proof until I do bloods. This is my first time on tren and I shouldn't be able to run it at 800 wk with NO SIDES

Edit: I couldn't agree with you more bub. I think all UGL are doing this, but they didn't publicly say that they were just geussing at the dosage and slapping it on the label like 24 did

 

[24kpharma]

If someone or yourself gets careless and busted for possession during a traffic stop the first thing they are gonna do is hit your pad.

Thanks for your feedback. I understand this could absolutely be a scenario. However, there are no countermeasures I can take to completely eliminate that risk from local or online sales. For local sales, I try to stick to word of mouth and to trust customers that closer customers trust. I believe the local customers are an important part of my business as they are able to provide much faster feedback in regards to product and I have better communications with them. For example, I have provided a labmax earlier of anavar that seemed like a pass, however I am not selling anavar until it has gone through a feedback phase from local customers. It is, unfortunately, the best I can do without access more comprehensive testing equipment. To eliminate the local part of my business would be to eliminate a sizable part of feedback "testing" for my products. I understand the risks and will continue to do my best to minimize them but realistically I cannot guarantee myself or any customers that they are 100% safe. I believe it is the nature of this business and if law enforcement want to go after you, they will do what is necessary and use the resources necessary to obtain the information they need.

 

[Mark_alan]

Actually hammer isn't my buddy. Lol. I can tell his gear is underdosed but I don't have proof until I do bloods. This is my first time on tren and I shouldn't be able to run it at 800 wk with NO SIDES

Edit: I couldn't agree with you more bub. I think all UGL are doing this, but they didn't publicly say that they were just geussing at the dosage and slapping it on the label like 24 did

Didnt you say you could tell it was legit by the sides you were experience in the labmax thread you started about his tren?

 

[OdieM]

Didnt you say you could tell it was legit by the sides you were experience in the labmax thread you started about his tren?

I have also stated MANY times that it was only intense from days 4-10 then I doubled my dose and have only had I side since and that was only for one night. I am defiantly seeing the results in the mirror and the amount of weight I am lifting but I have 0 sides. Everyday a member PMs me and i tell them the same thing. I can't prove the tren is under dosed but Im having blood work done on his testC next week. We should know the results of that soon

 

[dajr225]

I respect everything you've done so far @24kpharma. Very few sources are jumping through the hoops that you are to put out a quality product. Keep up the testing and blood work. That's really all you can do.

 

[Trw008]

I don't get on here much anymore but protecting customers should be a non issue.I guarantee law enforcement has 0 interest in going after buyers unless they are ordering an obviously more than personal use. Also the DEA knows what is and is not personal use, hell most of them have probably cycled or are currently cycling, DEA was against steroids ever being illegal in the first place.

 

[24kpharma]

I respect everything you've done so far @24kpharma. Very few sources are jumping through the hoops that you are to put out a quality product. Keep up the testing and blood work. That's really all you can do.

Thank you for taking the time to read and follow along, it is appreciated. I will continue to use my limited resources to do the best I can.

 

[24kpharma]

I don't get on here much anymore but protecting customers should be a non issue.I guarantee law enforcement has 0 interest in going after buyers unless they are ordering an obviously more than personal use. Also the DEA knows what is and is not personal use, hell most of them have probably cycled or are currently cycling, DEA was against steroids ever being illegal in the first place.

Thank you for the insight. I understand the risks associated for buyers and sellers and my wish to to try to minimize risks for both parties. My hope is that customers are somewhat comfortable before purchasing and I would never ask any customer to purchase it was pushing their levels of comfort in relationship to their safety, the product quality, or the turnaround time.

 

[kawilt]

I don't get on here much anymore but protecting customers should be a non issue.I guarantee law enforcement has 0 interest in going after buyers unless they are ordering an obviously more than personal use. Also the DEA knows what is and is not personal use, hell most of them have probably cycled or are currently cycling, DEA was against steroids ever being illegal in the first place.

They are busy enough!! But then again, there's always that budget!

 

[MassTurk]

You guys understand how a case is built? For a major dealer it goes thru all the punks like us thinking we are safe. Every piece of evidence ( like money transfer records,email Correspondence, gear in possession, pins......) they can get thru us is an evidence they can use in Court against the big fish. We don't have the means to have lawyers on retainers, they know you will cop a deal. So yes if it makes their job easy and you are careless they will come for you too

Mass

 

[biggerben69]

Thanks for your feedback. I understand this could absolutely be a scenario. However, there are no countermeasures I can take to completely eliminate that risk from local or online sales. For local sales, I try to stick to word of mouth and to trust customers that closer customers trust. I believe the local customers are an important part of my business as they are able to provide much faster feedback in regards to product and I have better communications with them. For example, I have provided a labmax earlier of anavar that seemed like a pass, however I am not selling anavar until it has gone through a feedback phase from local customers. It is, unfortunately, the best I can do without access more comprehensive testing equipment. To eliminate the local part of my business would be to eliminate a sizable part of feedback "testing" for my products. I understand the risks and will continue to do my best to minimize them but realistically I cannot guarantee myself or any customers that they are 100% safe. I believe it is the nature of this business and if law enforcement want to go after you, they will do what is necessary and use the resources necessary to obtain the information they need.

You are being disingenuous. None of what you posted above is of any importance to you. All smart longtime sources know you pick local or internet sales. Period. Another "Period" you sell locally for one reason...gym pricing. A vial of test E is $75 to $80 and Deca or Tren is $120 or so. The almighty dollar rules your decision making.

I don't get on here much anymore but protecting customers should be a non issue.I guarantee law enforcement has 0 interest in going after buyers unless they are ordering an obviously more than personal use. Also the DEA knows what is and is not personal use, hell most of them have probably cycled or are currently cycling, DEA was against steroids ever being illegal in the first place.

I guarantee you are wandering through this world with blinders on.

 

[24kpharma]

You are being disingenuous. None of what you posted above is of any importance to you. All smart longtime sources know you pick local or internet sales. Period. Another "Period" you sell locally for one reason...gym pricing. A vial of test E is $75 to $80 and Deca or Tren is $120 or so. The almighty dollar rules your decision making.


I guarantee you are wandering through this world with blinders on.

Thanks for your feedback. I apologize if I come off as disingenuous. To be transparent, I price almost all compounds at $50/vial locally. However, one reason I began to source online was because I was not completely comfortable with more and more local customers knowing my identity. As mentioned in a few of my past posts, I have began to shift more local customers into the "testing" processes. In almost all cases, this means providing product for free in return for feedback and blood tests. I prefer the anonymity of online sourcing, however it takes longer to receive feedback and for me to remedy customer issues than local customers. This is important because without testers for initial batches and/or analytical testing I would be even more clueless about my dosing. For products such as testosterone, local customers I can communicate better with in regards to sides and blood testing protocol and results. For other products such as orals and tren, local customers are helpful in providing feedback. I understand that this may come off as mentioned, disingenuous, but there is no way I can prove my intentions. The only evidence the community has for that is my behavior thus far.

 

[pumpingiron22]

Any Ai OR pct?