Do you have any reps ?
This seems so deja vu but I cannot quite put my finger on it.
This seems so deja vu but I cannot quite put my finger on it.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
24k Pharma US Domestic Source
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Hey, I have no reps or other handles past or present on Meso. I'm curious as to which previous source I am similar to? Thanks for reading.
Hey Meso,
Hope everyone is doing well. Just wanted to give the community an update on my progress this month. As a disclaimer, I will continue to not actively sell until there is a general community consensus on the status of my operation. My intention of this post is to give the community some updates and in return get some feedback. A couple areas that I would like to update the community about:
Brewing practices
I have bought and implemented several new pieces of equipment and will provide picture proof tomorrow if it is requested
Hotplate/magnetic stirrer- I no longer cook on the stove top and now use an analog hotplate/magnetic stirrer. I stick an electric thermometer from the metal hanger that comes with the hotplate. This has been a wonderful addition as it can continuous stir for hours on end. Although the temperature is not digital, it has a more "accurate" range of temperatures than the stove top. Furthermore, reviews indicate that lower end digital hotplates are not accurate and the more accurate ones run for 1,000-2,000. I will be looking into this further.
Peristaltic Pump- I now filter using a peristaltic pump system and I am able to filter faster and a larger volume than using bottle top filters.
A few items I am looking to implement within the next month is a DIY flow hood and a pippette system for dispensing into vials.
Testing/"Quality Assurance"
In my quest for testing avenues, only one came through and unfortunately it is an admittedly rudimentary HPLC. It was done by a graduate student at a university so he himself admits that the level of analysis is elementary at best. The inability to order standards without the lab's owner's approval was a major roadblock. Here are the results: https://img.bi/#/wDbnwtt!WL6w1cRUqSuBMUUOKkM3Qb9KLqtMBPN3ne8ebAic
And here's where he said he tried to base his analysis off of: http://bdg.co.nz/coa/coa_120511_8825.5_20110616_V2_17__-Trenbolone.pdf
I have no background in this area so any questions I have have to relay to the tester.
I have also been working on several experiments with recrystallization or "washing" as I saw a thread here on that. A few roadblocks I ran into were: under-saturating the solvent, not allowing crystallized test E to dry fast enough, and not accounting for yield loss through handling and filtering. I would have never been able to troubleshoot these problems without my more science-saavy contacts. I will try to answer questions about this process to the best of my ability, but I have relatively limited knowledge and may have to get back to you after asking someone more abled in the sciences. I have only done this with Test derivatives so far.
I am continuing to labmax each and every new batch that comes in and these results can be provided upon request.
Blood Test
In addition to the one Tren-Estradiol test from another community, a member from this community has emailed blood results to me a few days ago. The individual will remain anonymous unless he/she decides to come forward with the his/her identity. Here are the blood results and they were from 250mg/wk ( I need to ask the individual for batch number in order to determine whether or was Test C or E) : https://img.bi/#/Hljb7Qo!QR5F0H8idsbE616pR5Jf6c1cou8O0v7vuMLwlkmE
Furthermore, I am working with a small local gym in providing free product in exchange for blood results. I have two individuals who just started their first cycle and can provide initial blood results if requested, they are on week 1 now. My goal is to work on having a 6-8 week delay in Testosterone product. The idea is to have local individuals provide blood work in return for free product. Batches that prove adequate will then be sold and those that do not will be further investigated.
I have also been doing some research and reading into blood levels in relationship to dosing. I have seen some individuals on pharmaceutical grade testosterone test anywhere from 5x-11x the dosage of their regiment. There seems to be different opinions of what is deemed adequate blood levels and what is not, so that I will let the community decide.
Hopefully this provides some more insight into my operations. I acknowledge that starting off I did not have the best practices, operations, and quality assurance measures. But I hope that my efforts show that I am trying my best. I would love to hear the community's feedback as I know I still have a lot to work on. However, I hope that my efforts show that I do care about my product and I am doing as much as I can with the time and resources I have, as a small UGL, to bring product to customers.
Thanks for reading.
Hope everyone is doing well. Just wanted to give the community an update on my progress this month. As a disclaimer, I will continue to not actively sell until there is a general community consensus on the status of my operation. My intention of this post is to give the community some updates and in return get some feedback. A couple areas that I would like to update the community about:
Brewing practices
I have bought and implemented several new pieces of equipment and will provide picture proof tomorrow if it is requested
Hotplate/magnetic stirrer- I no longer cook on the stove top and now use an analog hotplate/magnetic stirrer. I stick an electric thermometer from the metal hanger that comes with the hotplate. This has been a wonderful addition as it can continuous stir for hours on end. Although the temperature is not digital, it has a more "accurate" range of temperatures than the stove top. Furthermore, reviews indicate that lower end digital hotplates are not accurate and the more accurate ones run for 1,000-2,000. I will be looking into this further.
Peristaltic Pump- I now filter using a peristaltic pump system and I am able to filter faster and a larger volume than using bottle top filters.
A few items I am looking to implement within the next month is a DIY flow hood and a pippette system for dispensing into vials.
Testing/"Quality Assurance"
In my quest for testing avenues, only one came through and unfortunately it is an admittedly rudimentary HPLC. It was done by a graduate student at a university so he himself admits that the level of analysis is elementary at best. The inability to order standards without the lab's owner's approval was a major roadblock. Here are the results: https://img.bi/#/wDbnwtt!WL6w1cRUqSuBMUUOKkM3Qb9KLqtMBPN3ne8ebAic
And here's where he said he tried to base his analysis off of: http://bdg.co.nz/coa/coa_120511_8825.5_20110616_V2_17__-Trenbolone.pdf
I have no background in this area so any questions I have have to relay to the tester.
I have also been working on several experiments with recrystallization or "washing" as I saw a thread here on that. A few roadblocks I ran into were: under-saturating the solvent, not allowing crystallized test E to dry fast enough, and not accounting for yield loss through handling and filtering. I would have never been able to troubleshoot these problems without my more science-saavy contacts. I will try to answer questions about this process to the best of my ability, but I have relatively limited knowledge and may have to get back to you after asking someone more abled in the sciences. I have only done this with Test derivatives so far.
I am continuing to labmax each and every new batch that comes in and these results can be provided upon request.
Blood Test
In addition to the one Tren-Estradiol test from another community, a member from this community has emailed blood results to me a few days ago. The individual will remain anonymous unless he/she decides to come forward with the his/her identity. Here are the blood results and they were from 250mg/wk ( I need to ask the individual for batch number in order to determine whether or was Test C or E) : https://img.bi/#/Hljb7Qo!QR5F0H8idsbE616pR5Jf6c1cou8O0v7vuMLwlkmE
Furthermore, I am working with a small local gym in providing free product in exchange for blood results. I have two individuals who just started their first cycle and can provide initial blood results if requested, they are on week 1 now. My goal is to work on having a 6-8 week delay in Testosterone product. The idea is to have local individuals provide blood work in return for free product. Batches that prove adequate will then be sold and those that do not will be further investigated.
I have also been doing some research and reading into blood levels in relationship to dosing. I have seen some individuals on pharmaceutical grade testosterone test anywhere from 5x-11x the dosage of their regiment. There seems to be different opinions of what is deemed adequate blood levels and what is not, so that I will let the community decide.
Hopefully this provides some more insight into my operations. I acknowledge that starting off I did not have the best practices, operations, and quality assurance measures. But I hope that my efforts show that I am trying my best. I would love to hear the community's feedback as I know I still have a lot to work on. However, I hope that my efforts show that I do care about my product and I am doing as much as I can with the time and resources I have, as a small UGL, to bring product to customers.
Thanks for reading.
Kinikuman
Well-known Member
Thanks for the update 24k. We appreciate it.
You will find volumes of information and discussion around TT blood levels on this board. Despite what you might hear elsewhere, in no way shape or form is anybody using Pharma Test and coming back with bloods at 5x. Just not happening on anything other than a TRT level dosage. If it doesn't hit at least 7x on cycle dosages, then it ain't pharma.
You will find volumes of information and discussion around TT blood levels on this board. Despite what you might hear elsewhere, in no way shape or form is anybody using Pharma Test and coming back with bloods at 5x. Just not happening on anything other than a TRT level dosage. If it doesn't hit at least 7x on cycle dosages, then it ain't pharma.
hotdog23
New Member
Can tell you right now ppl here want x7 at a minimum
Thank you for the feedback. I do not have the strongest science background and I am doing my best in reading up through different communities. I do not have any intention to try and come off as something I am not. I am a small UGL operation with limited manpower, limited knowledge, and limited resources. I am trying to do my best under the circumstances I am given and one of the main reasons I come to this community is for the plethora of information and feedback from the members. I will let the community decide what blood levels are adequate and what are not, as that is not an area I am well equipped to engage members about. Thanks for reading.
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Thank you for the insight. The blood results I posted are 2243/250 = 8.972 but I am unaware of when timing of the blood test was done and the background of the individual. All I know is that it was 250mg/wk. As mentioned, I know there is extreme skepticism with sources posting testing results but if the member (from this community) would like to step out and claim the results that is his/her decision. I cannot force coerce a member into coming out of anonymity to claim the results, but he/she has allowed me to share the results as long as sensitive information is censored. I hope the community understands.
In addition to tests that members may do, I also strive to do testing on my own side. As mentioned, I have two individuals who just started on test C and will have results from them in 6-8 weeks. Furthermore, I am now dosing test products based on the "washing" procedures I have read about here. I am uncertain how about accurate the method is in terms of determining water soluble impurities but it is better than nothing. For example, if I receive 80% yield from test C, test C 250mg/ml has actually about 320mg/mL but is labeled 250mg/ml because 0.80*320 = 256mg/mL. I am not entirely confident that this is a viable procedure but I hope that is it a step in the right direction.
Thanks for reading.
Hey Meso,
My apologies, I should have posted this earlier in my QA update. These are the latest labmax tests. I intend to labmax all my raws that come in and will update and post accordingly when I have a larger order come in. Smaller orders I will labmax as well but I do not want to clutter the thread with small labmax updates. Here are the most recent results:
Test C
A+B https://img.bi/#/OuB8peK!cQFcQAnqlyGAoojAbW56jGxudW79b0BZ2OEW3EeW
B+UV https://img.bi/#/9DUOx1c!vOUDJGvXOT4B3BTvSVbGlfRjZo6JBIl1CUNSY2bu
B+UV, different angle to see glow better https://img.bi/#/zbcsgcy!zevyOWZdKfciCnWpROBlGb5t3M6kepxXt2ul2pKx
Test E
A+B https://img.bi/#/oHFp3vc!8Mp9UGan08raHSjzFBeaMaIFPbRIIWoSyow2TImL
B+UV https://img.bi/#/Xc6PbxL!ruIhiB2mg0ZVm1JqrEX7cnBH0wYS5fIUxoFNUo86
Test P
A+B https://img.bi/#/Fkk0GZN!st4l8M3P7kuxzQpz0ZVPjWeDo9oJYC26mHC7gtda
B+UV https://img.bi/#/sZwao7i!fGk7TatbIK4ec29l2TrUc5zbjgoQnr2GOiy4yoBE
Tren A
A+B https://img.bi/#/CQbMHtS!pJdarsLnxTmqU1T58JO59WdQ75vS1F8gEbfAp2wm
B+UV https://img.bi/#/K9Buj32!BmypIBkbh73RUhemRfYW1XAg6Q1jsYYCmtaaAcoE
Tren E
A+B- I forgot to take pictures of this.
B+UV https://img.bi/#/8s7f5NU!HIUEXWVjDH01d5sk6kIsIGePZsL3BBuOBGpJ05My
Mast P
A+B https://img.bi/#/Ljv0t1I!or1XkFAbWswhSbzfGomB4lkLLJVZaXAc6CRSxDLM
B+UV https://img.bi/#/bMYBOX2!XZnb7rPsFDhNO9GAsd7QZnNPkCOhvCpQcETbelbq
EQ
A+B https://img.bi/#/0YkneBY!7H3nJpQ4JzG6zRb9W3ZI9ofqIaAQZbi5yiWarnPZ
B+UV https://img.bi/#/rQHECL9!i41hwOjGniNfJ4jimUkmQWKfDVQdlG3cQIjCUSvF
Anavar
Vial Unopened https://img.bi/#/PsdeW0C!BBBtVHhtfjNT0MZ8pwkf1mDJ5XnhWKqbyCxll541
After 7-8 mins https://img.bi/#/sFGatFW!DCceNoFGj0f3hFDFA2ihdHLelqqsFIqTGMh3djnv
After 15 mins https://img.bi/#/KcCBdW9!drfWuecQ4qYGwABEs61KCgQFZEdKRGCjxFs0zggq
After 30 mins https://img.bi/#/gWXRlpb!j86hH52RIBUCHIF5TBWNd83KplFnGuJ9cYnMD9jb
Thanks for reading.
My apologies, I should have posted this earlier in my QA update. These are the latest labmax tests. I intend to labmax all my raws that come in and will update and post accordingly when I have a larger order come in. Smaller orders I will labmax as well but I do not want to clutter the thread with small labmax updates. Here are the most recent results:
Test C
A+B https://img.bi/#/OuB8peK!cQFcQAnqlyGAoojAbW56jGxudW79b0BZ2OEW3EeW
B+UV https://img.bi/#/9DUOx1c!vOUDJGvXOT4B3BTvSVbGlfRjZo6JBIl1CUNSY2bu
B+UV, different angle to see glow better https://img.bi/#/zbcsgcy!zevyOWZdKfciCnWpROBlGb5t3M6kepxXt2ul2pKx
Test E
A+B https://img.bi/#/oHFp3vc!8Mp9UGan08raHSjzFBeaMaIFPbRIIWoSyow2TImL
B+UV https://img.bi/#/Xc6PbxL!ruIhiB2mg0ZVm1JqrEX7cnBH0wYS5fIUxoFNUo86
Test P
A+B https://img.bi/#/Fkk0GZN!st4l8M3P7kuxzQpz0ZVPjWeDo9oJYC26mHC7gtda
B+UV https://img.bi/#/sZwao7i!fGk7TatbIK4ec29l2TrUc5zbjgoQnr2GOiy4yoBE
Tren A
A+B https://img.bi/#/CQbMHtS!pJdarsLnxTmqU1T58JO59WdQ75vS1F8gEbfAp2wm
B+UV https://img.bi/#/K9Buj32!BmypIBkbh73RUhemRfYW1XAg6Q1jsYYCmtaaAcoE
Tren E
A+B- I forgot to take pictures of this.
B+UV https://img.bi/#/8s7f5NU!HIUEXWVjDH01d5sk6kIsIGePZsL3BBuOBGpJ05My
Mast P
A+B https://img.bi/#/Ljv0t1I!or1XkFAbWswhSbzfGomB4lkLLJVZaXAc6CRSxDLM
B+UV https://img.bi/#/bMYBOX2!XZnb7rPsFDhNO9GAsd7QZnNPkCOhvCpQcETbelbq
EQ
A+B https://img.bi/#/0YkneBY!7H3nJpQ4JzG6zRb9W3ZI9ofqIaAQZbi5yiWarnPZ
B+UV https://img.bi/#/rQHECL9!i41hwOjGniNfJ4jimUkmQWKfDVQdlG3cQIjCUSvF
Anavar
Vial Unopened https://img.bi/#/PsdeW0C!BBBtVHhtfjNT0MZ8pwkf1mDJ5XnhWKqbyCxll541
After 7-8 mins https://img.bi/#/sFGatFW!DCceNoFGj0f3hFDFA2ihdHLelqqsFIqTGMh3djnv
After 15 mins https://img.bi/#/KcCBdW9!drfWuecQ4qYGwABEs61KCgQFZEdKRGCjxFs0zggq
After 30 mins https://img.bi/#/gWXRlpb!j86hH52RIBUCHIF5TBWNd83KplFnGuJ9cYnMD9jb
Thanks for reading.
Either Dr. Jim or Myth tests this guys stuff or move on. End of story. Stop playing cat-n-mouse with these fuckers!
Johnson513
New Member
So these are raws, not the finished products, correct?
Correct, all labmaxes were done with raw powders, with the exception of EQ (which came as a liquid). The two main reasons I decided to labmax the raws were 1. By labmaxing before I brewed it would save me the time of brewing if one of the labmaxes turned out negative and 2. In my last labmax posts the Test E finished product had traces of blue/green but was looked very murky, when I then reposted results of the Test E raws and they were much clearer. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Johnson513
New Member
What carrier are you going to use and will you be labmaxing the final product for Test-E,C,P?
Carrier oil is Grapeseed Oil. I can do labmaxes either tonight or sometime tomorrow and post them if you wish. I understand GSO may not produce as clear of results as oils such as MCT. I am trying to find a source of USP MCT oil to work on making some test batches and gauge how local customers feel about MCT vs GSO oil. I am uncomfortable with using the "Now Foods" brand of MCT, so if anyone has a Science Supply store that offers USP MCT please feel free to share.
I understand the potentially "grey area" results of GSO can be used by sources as an excuse for products that do not pass or barely pass labmax, but that is not my intention. I wish to balance oils that customers like, in terms of smoothness, PIP, irritability, etc, with testing results. I have tried Cottonseed oil and Safflower oil in the past and local customers have all preferred Grapeseed Oil.
Let me know if you would like me to elaborate on anything else.
Marcus
New Member
Couldn't it also be true that one of the issues with labmax after brewing appearing less potent, in part be due to a possible issue in the brewing process itself?
As far as carrier oils, I do know that @Johnson513 did post a labmax recently of a hormone in GSO and the results were outstanding. Although I have seen Jonsal's post regarding different carrier oils making a difference in labmax results, I believe the verdict is still out on this one IMHO.
Great observations and thank you for your feedback. As for your first concern, I can walk the community through how I make my product?
As for the second topic, my last set of labmaxes were done using finished product. The tren a, eq and I believe mast p turned out well but the test e/c finished product was not as good. For tren a it does not seem like raws vs oils makes too big of a difference but this is not the case for test e (compare labmax of finished product I posted earlier to the two test e raws labmaxed I posted). I do not have extensive knowledge in the area of labmaxes, so I can only provide data points and I hope the community can help me interpret them.
Thanks for reading.
I really appreciate that you told us ur powder source.
Those tests will make or break u.
Those tests will make or break u.
ruckin
Well-known Member
So you are claiming that you "overdose" your products to account for impurities in your raws, correct?
Hey, great question, to be as accurate as possible the real answer is I have no evidence to back up my dosing. Without throuogh quantitative through techniques such as Mass Spec and/or HPLC, I cannot say I am dosing correctly at all. However, I am using the tools and techniques that I have available right now to try my hardest at dosing product correctly. To be transparent, I do know if there are any impurities and what exactly they are. I apologize if it seems as if I am trying to avoid the question, that is not my intent. I just do not want to make any hard statements without explicit proof that the community agrees upon- that is why I state "I am not entirely confident that this is a viable procedure but I hope that is it a step in the right direction."
However, technically, yes I am overdosing to account for possible impurities. In the strictly sense, I am advertising 250 mg/mL but actually using 320mg/mL so the actual quantity of powder used is greater than the advertised dosage. I understand there may also be disadvantages and issues with this method as individuals may not accurately dose their cycles due to the advertised concentration, but at the same time it is arguable that few UGLs can match the correct dosing as advertised by Pharmaceutical companies.
Again, sorry for the long, drawn out answer- I am trying to be as thorough as possible. Let me know if there's anything else you would like me to elaborate on.
ruckin
Well-known Member
Nope don't apologize for the long answer, I appreciate that longer explanation much more than i would've a short, half-assed one.
Sorry everyone, I made a crucial typo here, it should read "I do not know if there are any impurities and what exactly they are"
