24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[SwoleMcCole]

All of this talk about underdosed batches lately is making me wonder a little bit. I began my cycle on pharma test e with a test p kickstart. I didnt have a lot of the pharma tedt e so 2 weeks in i switched to 24k test e at 500mg per week. I reduced slowly and stopped the test p at the end of week 4. I was only pinning 100eod of the test p and since i stopped the test p everything was good for a week but since then, in the last week i have lost 7 pounds and I'm eating the exact same 4500 kcals per day. I did start proviron in week three so it could just be a drop in water weight, but i feel a marked difference in motivaion, especially to wake up in the morning. I may just have read about underdosed batches on here and freaked out a bit. I am going to get bloods done tomorrow so i can know for sure. I am not attempting to cast doubt, i hadnt checked this thread in 2 weeks and knew nothing about people getting underdosed batches until i got on last night. What i read seemed t correlate with what the changes ive been feeling though

 

[mkulltra58]

So, I've been holding off about posting about this but it is time to put it out there. This definitely wasn't something that I rushed and I have discussed it with other members here that have come to the same conclusion.

The tren a with the batch number ending in 0638 with manufacture date of 12/2015 is definitely very underdosed. I gave @24kpharma an opportunity to look into and fix it but he claims the raws that were used in this batch was tested. Now, we all know no sources can be trusted and just because he claims something doesn't make it so. I don't know if it is the raws or something with brewing but certainly this batch is off.

I can only speak from my experience with the tren ace and not for any other 24k products. I have been using it for over two weeks with no real effect. There might be a very small amount of tren but it is not even close to what is labeled. This has also be the experience of other WKM's that have much more experience with tren but I will let them share their experience.

I don't know what is going on with @24kpharma currently but obviously there has been some issues going on. I'm hoping that he will do the right thing and fix the situation but I'm not going to hold my breath. As @OdieM mentioned, once a source starts going bad, it is rare for them to stick around.

 

[Wunderpus]

So, I've been holding off about posting about this but it is time to put it out there. This definitely wasn't something that I rushed and I have discussed it with other members here that have come to the same conclusion.

The tren a with the batch number ending in 0638 with manufacture date of 12/2015 is definitely very underdosed. I gave @24kpharma an opportunity to look into and fix it but he claims the raws that were used in this batch was tested. Now, we all know no sources can be trusted and just because he claims something doesn't make it so. I don't know if it is the raws or something with brewing but certainly this batch is off.

I can only speak from my experience with the tren ace and not for any other 24k products. I have been using it for over two weeks with no real effect. There might be a very small amount of tren but it is not even close to what is labeled. This has also be the experience of other WKM's that have much more experience with tren but I will let them share their experience.

I don't know what is going on with @24kpharma currently but obviously there has been some issues going on. I'm hoping that he will do the right thing and fix the situation but I'm not going to hold my breath. As @OdieM mentioned, once a source starts going bad, it is rare for them to stick around.

It pains me a bit to say this, but I am having the identical experience. At up to 100mgs a day, nothing remarkable. Maybe a HINT of irritability, no sweats, no insomnia, no aggression, no strength increase.... I have used tren more times than I want to admit, and this just isn't dosed properly. I hope we can figure out what is going on, as I have found 24K pleasant to deal with.

 

[24kpharma]

So, I've been holding off about posting about this but it is time to put it out there. This definitely wasn't something that I rushed and I have discussed it with other members here that have come to the same conclusion.

The tren a with the batch number ending in 0638 with manufacture date of 12/2015 is definitely very underdosed. I gave @24kpharma an opportunity to look into and fix it but he claims the raws that were used in this batch was tested. Now, we all know no sources can be trusted and just because he claims something doesn't make it so. I don't know if it is the raws or something with brewing but certainly this batch is off.

I can only speak from my experience with the tren ace and not for any other 24k products. I have been using it for over two weeks with no real effect. There might be a very small amount of tren but it is not even close to what is labeled. This has also be the experience of other WKM's that have much more experience with tren but I will let them share their experience.

I don't know what is going on with @24kpharma currently but obviously there has been some issues going on. I'm hoping that he will do the right thing and fix the situation but I'm not going to hold my breath. As @OdieM mentioned, once a source starts going bad, it is rare for them to stick around.

It pains me a bit to say this, but I am having the identical experience. At up to 100mgs a day, nothing remarkable. Maybe a HINT of irritability, no sweats, no insomnia, no aggression, no strength increase.... I have used tren more times than I want to admit, and this just isn't dosed properly. I hope we can figure out what is going on, as I have found 24K pleasant to deal with.

Thank you for your feedback, the lab has already received our finished samples for testing. We are now just waiting to confirm payment and analysis type and hopefully we can have a solid answer. As mentioned, we did have these raws tested beforehand, but I am going to have the finished tested as well to get more clarity.

If results turn out underdosed then we will be sending replacements. However, if results are within an acceptable +\- then hopefully we will have this resolved. I also understand that some believe that ugl batch numbers mean nothing, that source sent samples are bias, and that user sent samples only apply to that specific vial. While I agree it takes multiple tests to get an idea of a lab's quality, we just simply cannot have every raw and finished batch tested and maintain adequate stock. I am a big proponent of customer service, but if we were to go off of how people "feel" then there would be no reason for us to conduct analytical testing. Hypothetically if this tren A batch in question comes back acceptable - what would be the appropriate actions from us? Then hypothetically, if we still did replacements to make people happy after acceptable lab results - then what is the purpose of lab results?

Hopefully this question that I am trying to anticipate makes sense. I will follow the lead of the community.

Anyone who wishes to send their own samples as well we can work with you.

Thank you for reading.

 

[mkulltra58]

Thank you for your feedback, the lab has already received our finished samples for testing. We are now just waiting to confirm payment and analysis type and hopefully we can have a solid answer. As mentioned, we did have these raws tested beforehand, but I am going to have the finished tested as well to get more clarity.

If results turn out underdosed then we will be sending replacements. However, if results are within an acceptable +\- then hopefully we will have this resolved. I also understand that some believe that ugl batch numbers mean nothing, that source sent samples are bias, and that user sent samples only apply to that specific vial. While I agree it takes multiple tests to get an idea of a lab's quality, we just simply cannot have every raw and finished batch tested and maintain adequate stock. I am a big proponent of customer service, but if we were to go off of how people "feel" then there would be no reason for us to conduct analytical testing. Hypothetically if this tren A batch in question comes back acceptable - what would be the appropriate actions from us? Then hypothetically, if we still did replacements to make people happy after acceptable lab results - then what is the purpose of lab results?

Hopefully this question that I am trying to anticipate makes sense. I will follow the lead of the community.

Anyone who wishes to send their own samples as well we can work with you.

Thank you for reading.

I agree that Simec testing is the only way to get conclusive results, particularly user submitted. My only issue is that by the time Simec results return, ~4-6 weeks min., my cycle will be ending and replacements are not going to help. I would understand if one member is complaining about the quality but when multiple members and experienced members like Wunderpus are positive it is underdosed, telling us to wait for lab testing is kind of a slap in the face.

 

[xcvcx]

So, I've been holding off about posting about this but it is time to put it out there. This definitely wasn't something that I rushed and I have discussed it with other members here that have come to the same conclusion.

The tren a with the batch number ending in 0638 with manufacture date of 12/2015 is definitely very underdosed. I gave @24kpharma an opportunity to look into and fix it but he claims the raws that were used in this batch was tested. Now, we all know no sources can be trusted and just because he claims something doesn't make it so. I don't know if it is the raws or something with brewing but certainly this batch is off.

I can only speak from my experience with the tren ace and not for any other 24k products. I have been using it for over two weeks with no real effect. There might be a very small amount of tren but it is not even close to what is labeled. This has also be the experience of other WKM's that have much more experience with tren but I will let them share their experience.

I don't know what is going on with @24kpharma currently but obviously there has been some issues going on. I'm hoping that he will do the right thing and fix the situation but I'm not going to hold my breath. As @OdieM mentioned, once a source starts going bad, it is rare for them to stick around.

I second this. I switched to pharmacom like a week ago and strength has exploded in last 2 days. Actually short of breath and having night sweats. I'm annoyed as I wasted 3 weeks of run time on that bullshit while running low test and lost 7 lbs. I thought it was fat but my girl said my muscles looked smaller and not leaner. I'll be requesting full refund, and not in store credit.

 

[xcvcx]

I second this. I switched to pharmacom like a week ago and strength has exploded in last 2 days. Actually short of breath and having night sweats. I'm annoyed as I wasted 3 weeks of run time on that bullshit while running lost test and lost 7 lbs. I thought it was fat but my girl said my muscles looked smaller and not leaner. I'll be requesting full refund, and not in store credit.

Oh and I saw badass delt striations today

 

[Nutpuncher]

Just my opinion.....

I feel if analytical test comes back within acceptable tolerance, then replacements are not justified. It's not

I second this. I switched to pharmacom like a week ago and strength has exploded in last 2 days. Actually short of breath and having night sweats. I'm annoyed as I wasted 3 weeks of run time on that bullshit while running low test and lost 7 lbs. I thought it was fat but my girl said my muscles looked smaller and not leaner. I'll be requesting full refund, and not in store credit.

Requesting full refund? i apologize if I sound insensitive but that's part of the risk. Maybe I'll have a different tone if I ever run into issues.

 

[24kpharma]

I second this. I switched to pharmacom like a week ago and strength has exploded in last 2 days. Actually short of breath and having night sweats. I'm annoyed as I wasted 3 weeks of run time on that bullshit while running low test and lost 7 lbs. I thought it was fat but my girl said my muscles looked smaller and not leaner. I'll be requesting full refund, and not in store credit.

Not a problem, we can process that. Please email me at your convenience, thanks.

 

[xcvcx]

Just my opinion.....

I feel if analytical test comes back within acceptable tolerance, then replacements are not justified. It's not


Requesting full refund? i apologize if I sound insensitive but that's part of the risk. Maybe I'll have a different tone if I ever run into issues.

The risk of what? 24 runs his biz in a professional matter. He will either make it right or he won't. He either values my continued business or doesn't. I won't get my feelings hurt if he says fuck off (he won't) but I just simply won't order from him anymore. That's my voice. I have no problem waiting until lab results. I'm not trying to strong arm anything, but it wasn't what is on the label.

 

[jJjburton]

interesting.....

 

[Nutpuncher]

The risk of what? 24 runs his biz in a professional matter. He will either make it right or he won't. He either values my continued business or doesn't. I won't get my feelings hurt if he says fuck off (he won't) but I just simply won't order from him anymore. That's my voice. I have no problem waiting until lab results. I'm not trying to strong arm anything, but it wasn't what is on the label.

i feel that is the risk of buying AAS. We are very lucky that 24k acts the way he does.

 

[mkulltra58]

Just my opinion.....

I feel if analytical test comes back within acceptable tolerance, then replacements are not justified. It's not


Requesting full refund? i apologize if I sound insensitive but that's part of the risk. Maybe I'll have a different tone if I ever run into issues.

There is an individual component and a community component here. Personally, if it never gets fixed for me then it's not going to really effect me much. Getting a replacement or refund now or later only determines whether I would ever personally use 24k ever again. It was my stupid mistake for not using an AnabolicLab tested source.

From a community perspective, how this is handled and the lab results will determine whether 24k continues with his reputation here or possibly prevent other members from having issues or being outright scammed later on. For me personally, the safety and protection of the community is the more important of the two and a few vials of tren doesn't really matter much to me. This is why I untimately decided to post about this publicly rather than just wait and deal with 24k directly.

And it is a little different when you are involved and not just looking in from the outside. I kind of felt the same way previously but you realize it can happen with any source.

 

[GigaloRob]

i feel that is the risk of buying AAS. We are very lucky that 24k acts the way he does.

Your username should of been "Nutlicker".

 

[Nutpuncher]

Your username should of been "Nutlicker".

Why do you say that?

 

[GigaloRob]

Why do you say that?

It's pretty self explanatory.

 

[Wunderpus]

My fear with going public with this is now all of a sudden everyone has "underdosed gear" and absolute panic and pandemonium takes place.

Simec and "feel " are all about we have for tren.... I've run a lot of tren, and I'm very well-versed in what to expect. This is not that.

 

[24kpharma]

I agree that Simec testing is the only way to get conclusive results, particularly user submitted. My only issue is that by the time Simec results return, ~4-6 weeks min., my cycle will be ending and replacements are not going to help. I would understand if one member is complaining about the quality but when multiple members and experienced members like Wunderpus are positive it is underdosed, telling us to wait for lab testing is kind of a slap in the face.

Please contact me and we'll do the replacement or refund.

Please also understand that on the other hand, it reduces the credibility and usefulness of us conducting and paying for raws and finished product testing if they are disregarded. I do not intend to come off as contentious, but I am beginning to see little value if we are doing replacements and accepting blame regardless of whether or not we do testing. It would seem that many go off by feeling, which is not something we can guarantee. 200mg/wk test e or 700mg/wk of tren a may feel different for individual A vs individual B, there is no realistic way we can guarantee our products will produce the same feeling for everyone. We do not even claim any extreme quality control measures - all we have is labmax and overseas lab testing at our disposal.

Ultimately, we're at a dilemma as lab testing is costly and takes time and if they fall secondary to feeling then I see them as a lesser value to the overall community in terms of customer satisfaction. I also acknowledge that we seem to be in the middle of a "panic wave", where one person's doubt amplifies the next and so on and so forth. In such a case I would ask for patience as I am dedicating time to resolve this.

Thanks for reading.

 

[xcvcx]

Is the tren being tested batch 80638? @24kpharma

 

[24kpharma]

My fear with going public with this is now all of a sudden everyone has "underdosed gear" and absolute panic and pandemonium takes place.

Simec and "feel " are all about we have for tren.... I've run a lot of tren, and I'm very well-versed in what to expect. This is not that.

I agree with your first point and mentioned it in the post I just made.

I believe this is how I will handle it:

Right now we have a few raw samples including mast p with ChemTox. I am aware of their recent possible issues regarding identifying all compounds. We hope with this testing we can finally close the books on the mast p issue from months ago.

We also have several finished products at SIMEC. If the results come back unacceptable, I will need to look at my operation. If the results come back acceptable, that's great and I'll continue doing what I'm doing. However I may reduce the frequency and volume of samples tested if they are favored less than the feeling on the compound.


End of the day however, I want to make it right with the customers. Unless the reason or request is outrageous, we'll work with you to make it right. Our prices may be higher than some, but that's partly because we're domestic and small but also because you're buying into our customer service. I want customers to know that we will not leave them out to dry. If you're unhappy, let me know and let's work it out. It also needs to be said to please avoid taking advantage of this policy stance.

Thanks for reading.