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OdieM
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Same thing happened to me last year. I'm sure some remember. The UGL's tren I was using was shit so he sent me replacements of more shit. Lots chimed in and said that it was probably good and that I was just lucky that I couldn't feel it. Lol I then researched where I could obtain real trenA ( Fina). That shit rocked my fucking world and with training and diet I ended up at 7% BF which was definitely a first. I had never been under 10% till then. I don't care who you are, your gonna feel good tren. Ask @rutman, he's been running tren in damn near every cycle for years and believe me he still feels it. Sorry to drag you in here bud but you're the biggest tren whore I know. Lol there's no immunity to tren. It's a hell of a drug. For fuck sakes they use it to beef up cattle.
Send it in. Would be interesting to see regardless. I feel like there is nothing better than respectable members spot checking sources, by conducting their own testing.
I literally get no sides. Actually, the one side I will get is some of the cardio/respiratory side effects. But as far as sweating, night sweats, insomnia, aggression, yadda yadda, I get nothing. The benefits I get though. I would run tren for the rest of my life if I could.
There may be a CC or less in the vial. I am not sure what the minimum required amount is for testing...Send it in. Would be interesting to see regardless. I feel like there is nothing better than respectable members spot checking sources, by conducting their own testing.
I literally get no sides. Actually, the one side I will get is some of the cardio/respiratory side effects. But as far as sweating, night sweats, insomnia, aggression, yadda yadda, I get nothing. The benefits I get though. I would run tren for the rest of my life if I could.
Throw me under the Tren bus why don't you....lol. J/k.,Odie's right. I think of you're not feeling any sides from the Tren your taking, or have taken, something's not right with it. When you get ahold of the fire Tren like the old school fina, there's absolutely nothing close to it.
Anonymous_5283746
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@24kpharma product list.?
Infidel141
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Do some reading man
I'm there yesterday
Thank you for your feedback and contributions. This is a topic I can somewhat comment on. Understand coming from a source, it can be seen as bias but since not many have any experience in this regard I thought I would comment.
If you look back at our early post, first 3-6 months here, I mentioned that we had access to vet grade tren A, what above users are referring to as "finaplex". I wanted to use it to help gauge our UGL tren A made from powder. Those that followed us early on knew that we used local customers to help with blood work and I was planning to do the same with this tren. The reason there was never a follow up with this is because I did not find any distinguishable difference between those using vet tren/"finaplex" and those using UGL powder. Obviously, to "test" this I provided local individuals one or the other without them having knowledge of which is which. Since there was no distinguishable difference, I stopped providing and producing vet tren as the supply is limited and the process takes much longer.
That being said, for anyone that is interested in making their own vet tren, the process is relatively simple. It can be time consuming, but it is not a difficult process. To my knowledge, the product "Finaplex" is/was being phased out of production in favor of a product called Component TH. Component TH is vet grade trenbolone acetate along with tylosin tartrate, a antibacterial. The tren a pellets and tylosin tartrate pellets come together in a tube, you simply push out the pellets and remove the tylosin tartrate and keep the tren a pellets. The tren a pellets are crushed into a powder and then you treat them like any other UGL powder and brew them.
Component TH can be found here: http://www.allvetsupply.com/ (All Veterinary Supply or Allvet for short, sells supplements, medications, shampoos and everything you need for Cats, Dogs, Horses, Roosters and Cattle at low prices.)
Search for "component TH" in the search feature. I would not recommend ordering more than 1-2 kits at a time as that could raise flags.
For this next bit, I apologize if I am overstepping, but I want to touch upon another point in discussion. The recent testing done by SIMEC has shown there are multiple labs that have accurately dosed Tren A. If we are to compare 100mg/mL UGL Tren A and 100mg/mL Vet Tren A, should they not be equal in sides and quality? This is not like chinese generic vs pharma HGH as HGH is a complex 191/192 amino acid chain while Tren is a relatively simply molecular structure to identify. From an objective standpoint, I cannot agree with the argument that Vet Tren is stronger than UGL powder tren if they are both accurately tested. I think we need to be careful about how much mental projection we have simply because "I made it myself" or "It is vet grade". This is not to discredit the anecdotal reports of others, but I believe we are in a new age of UGL quality control in which we need to rely more on objective data vs subjective reports.
Thank you for reading.
OdieM
Banned
Complete bullshit. Your comparing apples to oranges. Members are saying your tren sucks and are calling you out publicly, which says a lot cause you have a lot of pole smokers here and its not easy for them to call you out. They would NEVER say they didn't feel fina. Ive ran 4 UGL's tren and one of them was tested by AL and was dosed correctly. It still didn't even come close to the misery Fina put me through. I don't get the night sweats or aggression but do get winded easily and sweat alot, everyone does on GOOD tren. You always come back with some long ass blah blah blah excuse as to why your bloods are all over the place or why you have to close shop every 2 weeks and now heres your latest on how you feel your tren is equal to a tren that is designed to bulk a 1-2 ton animal and approved by the government.
OdieM
Banned
Its basically the same as if you have a generic Vicodin or the real deal. The real deal feels so much stronger even though they are both dosed the same. I feel your tren is under dosed for members to be saying what they are though. You should never have to ask for a refund because you're just not feeling the tren. It's the strongest aas out there.
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I also ran this batch of tren. Switched over from another's and knew something was up after the first week, by the 3rd week it wasnt worth it anymore, and i stopped injecting it. Dont usually involve myself..but just wanted to support the members who had spoken up.
I believe you bring up several concerns, so I will try and address them one by one.
The first concern that you have reiterated several times is "why you have to close shop every 2 weeks". This type of negative reaction to our transparency is detrimental to the UGL - Meso relationship and Underground as a whole. We shut down because I anticipate that our communication and T/A would suffer otherwise. If we were to remain open, then we would have members criticizing us for taking too long to ship, not answering emails, etc. The reason we shut down is so that we can avoid this T/A and communication issues. I post these shut downs in advance and even give a reason why. If we are to be criticized for these actions, then we are in a lose-lose situation. If we shut down as needed, we are criticized for taking too many breaks. If we do not shut down, we will be criticized for declining T/A and communication. As mentioned before, we are a small operation trying to service a large demand. I believe it does no good to criticize every move a UGL makes. I am here for accountability, I post, update and respond accordingly. To criticize our business decisions that were to benefit the community, undermines the credibility that users have for keeping sources in line.
For your next concern, you mention "excuse as to why your bloods are all over the place ". I do not believe I have made any such excuses, I am merely stated that I do not know at this point in time and mentioned several possible reasons. Since I do not know, I have samples being sent for testing. I have been working with individuals to make it right for those who have had an issue. That being said, is is arguable that different individuals respond differently with TT. This is an entirely another discussion, but I am happy to discuss it and link member posted blood work, even on pharma TRT.
For the next concern, I believe you may by misinterpreting what I said. I am not comparing current batches of Tren A to Vet Tren. I am comparing AL tested Tren A to Vet Tren. In this situation, you have to accept and respect the results of AL or not. If one is to believe that 100mg vet tren is different than 100mg UGL tren, then one is essentially saying that the molecule is different between vet tren and UGL tren. I understand that you and others may have anecdotally better results on Vet Tren than UGL Tren, but you do not have the scientific data to back up these claims. The results by AL are analytical and hard facts that should be taken above anecdotal reports. Even in the realm of anecdotal reports, there are several users who have clearly stated they have little to no sides on tren. Whether you agree or disagree, it would not be beneficial to the community to take a dictatorial stance saying that your experiences should be the standard and that everyone else has not run "real tren". That is the danger of subjective and anecdotal reports, you cannot dismiss the reports that you do not agree with and only your reports are "real". This is exactly why we are moving towards a more objective view of UGL products and using analytical lab reports instead of "he said, she said".
In regards to "pole smokers", I would comment that I do not employ or incentivize any individual. I am open to any and all feedback, good and bad. However, while this type of language, in which we criticize or attack those who have "good" things to say about a lab - this too is detrimental to the uncensored nature of the Underground. Opinions, good or bad, should not be censored, either by the board owner or by other users. I believe that I respond to bad feedback in a professional and respectful manner, I am more than happy to communicate and work with them to make it right. So in that same regard, I would ask that you show the same respect I have for bad feedback as you do for good feedback.
I do not mean to attack you or your character, but I am merely trying to point out some of the language and criticism used in your post may be detrimental to the Underground community as a whole. If we are to stifle member feedback, criticize UGL transparency, and disregard analytical testing in favor of subjective personal reports, then we are to take a huge step backwards in improving the UGL market.
Thanks for reading.
This type of question has been addressed by me in the past. Most of our pharmaceutical line is generic branded. There is a misconception that these are "lower in quality". This is not true as generic branded medications have the same active ingredient and are held to the same FDA standards as their branded counterparts. While it is entirely possible that the fillers (inactive ingredient) somehow interact differently with the body, the active ingredient is the exact same with branded and generic products. The only possible differences are the filler, dosing, delivery method, and manufacturer.
I do not think we can argue that Vet Tren has a different tren molecule than UGL tren, as there have been UGLs tested by AL that show trenobolone acetate as the main component and dosed close to the advertised dose.
Hopefully that all makes sense.
Anonymous_5283746
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I offered to pay for some of @24kpharma products to get tested so we could end all this talk.
Manamana
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I have no dog in this fight, but are you saying that UGL Tren A that has been tested by AL (i.e. label is accurate) is weaker than Fina derived Tren on a MG per MG basis? I get what you are saying from an anecdotal perspective, but unless there is an unknown component in Fina or it was brewed at a strength higher than thought, what you are stating is scientifically impossible.
Manamana
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What you are referring to is completely subjective and entirely anecdotal. That's the whole reason why people want lab testing because subjective things like feelings or anecdotal experiences are bullshit.
I respect you, but that is argument is broscience. Unless there is some kind of aduleration of the substance (or lack thereof) if it contains the correct dose of the active ingredient it contains the correct dose. Is there a secondary ingredient that produces the side effects? Who knows. Human studies on trenbolone and its pharmacology, action, side-effects, outcomes, etc are not that common.
It is possible the UGL you used doesn't correctly use batch numbers. Unfortunately since we are all dealing with UGL products we are never going to get to any type of real consensus.
Mana Labs could put Batch RFD27 on 3 months worth of product using 10 different shipments of raws and AL could test it. A user could send a vial of Mana Labs RFD27 to AL. That vial could be from any of 10 different raw shipments. My lab could get lucky and test at 98mg/100mg label claim. All of a sudden everyone would think that batch was G2G. I'm guilty of the exact same thinking myself.
But we still have to make a leap of logic or have some presumption of trust that at SOME point the UGL is being honest with us. Even with unbiased testing. And, that applies even with your example.
Finally, and this is applicable to both your earlier post and this post, but you have a massive contradiction you are working with. On one hand you point out the goodness of "Fina" because it is government approved, but then you go on to make a generic vs. branded potency argument. Well, as part of the approval for generic drugs they get tested and compared to the brand name drug. In a multitude of ways... including potency, effectiveness, safety, etc. You seem to want to accept that for Fina but then make a counter argument that it isn't true for Vicodin vs. its generic. That doesn't make sense.
I don't know that this will be solved to most people's satisfaction unless members send in product for testing supposing 24K's results come back good. And, they would have to send in product they felt was "weak" specifically just in case batch numbers weren't accurate.
If all that gets done and there is +- 20% variance between the max and min sample dosage then I'd be largely convinced.
But, again, I have no horse in this race. My suggestion would be for the impacted members and 24K to agree on thresholds, expectations, and resolutions before members send stuff for testing (if they even do). Otherwise... the goalposts can shift on either side and there is no accepted conclusion.
OdieM
Banned
Ok I see a bunch of blah blah blah which I don't care to read. Fina rules and 24k tren sucks. The end. Anyone who says different is a damn fool.
