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[OdieM]

What you are referring to is completely subjective and entirely anecdotal. That's the whole reason why people want lab testing because subjective things like feelings or anecdotal experiences are bullshit.

I respect you, but that is argument is broscience. Unless there is some kind of aduleration of the substance (or lack thereof) if it contains the correct dose of the active ingredient it contains the correct dose. Is there a secondary ingredient that produces the side effects? Who knows. Human studies on trenbolone and its pharmacology, action, side-effects, outcomes, etc are not that common.

It is possible the UGL you used doesn't correctly use batch numbers. Unfortunately since we are all dealing with UGL products we are never going to get to any type of real consensus.

Mana Labs could put Batch RFD27 on 3 months worth of product using 10 different shipments of raws and AL could test it. A user could send a vial of Mana Labs RFD27 to AL. That vial could be from any of 10 different raw shipments. My lab could get lucky and test at 98mg/100mg label claim. All of a sudden everyone would think that batch was G2G. I'm guilty of the exact same thinking myself.

But we still have to make a leap of logic or have some presumption of trust that at SOME point the UGL is being honest with us. Even with unbiased testing. And, that applies even with your example.

Finally, and this is applicable to both your earlier post and this post, but you have a massive contradiction you are working with. On one hand you point out the goodness of "Fina" because it is government approved, but then you go on to make a generic vs. branded potency argument. Well, as part of the approval for generic drugs they get tested and compared to the brand name drug. In a multitude of ways... including potency, effectiveness, safety, etc. You seem to want to accept that for Fina but then make a counter argument that it isn't true for Vicodin vs. its generic. That doesn't make sense.

I don't know that this will be solved to most people's satisfaction unless members send in product for testing supposing 24K's results come back good. And, they would have to send in product they felt was "weak" specifically just in case batch numbers weren't accurate.

If all that gets done and there is +- 20% variance between the max and min sample dosage then I'd be largely convinced.

But, again, I have no horse in this race. My suggestion would be for the impacted members and 24K to agree on thresholds, expectations, and resolutions before members send stuff for testing (if they even do). Otherwise... the goalposts can shift on either side and there is no accepted conclusion.

Who are you again? If I didn't know any better I would say you were 24k. Hmmm...

 

[Sabian]

Who are you again? If I didn't know any better I would say you were 24k. Hmmm...

Just brewed last cart of finaplix h had laying around this weekend. Expired in April but sure it's going to be fine. Been on 24s for first 7 weeks of cut. Seemed decent. Curious to see how the next two weeks go with fina.

 

[OdieM]

Let me know when 24k test like this.
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Please be sure to read the comments below so you can see that no one has ever seen a lab max quite like this.

enough said

 

[Sabian]

Let me know when 24k test like this.
Fina-H Brew LabMax | MESO-Rx Forum
Please be sure to read the comments below so you can see that no one has ever seen a lab max quite like this.

enough said

finaplix h does have that distinct taste and smell. Love it. Wasn't sure what causes it because I only get taste in mouth with Finaplix shortly after inj. Don't get taste with component th or other ugl tren.

 

[bickel29]

Ok I see a bunch of blah blah blah which I don't care to read. Fina rules and 24k tren sucks. The end. Anyone who says different is a damn fool.

Who are you again? If I didn't know any better I would say you were 24k. Hmmm...

Okay, check it out, Odie. You've been here long enough to know that:

A) If you are going to jump into the middle of a fight, you don't run into the middle of the brawl, throw a few sucker punches, and then run over to your running pickup truck sitting nearby and speed away while the fight is still going on.

B) The quality of content of one's posts are more important than the join date of the person making the post.

For the record, I do not know @Manamana and I DO KNOW Odie very well. Maybe that is why I am saying what I am saying here instead of PM'ing it. The responses above are bullshit responses that are no better than a source making catty little remarks in their own defense.
Manamana took the time to address your points one by one, and did so respectfully. And your responses to him are that you see too much "blah blah blah" to respond, and you also basically tell him he is not worthy of a response from you? Seriously?!

Come on Odie, not cool! And this is coming from someone (me) who does think you're cool. I can only imagine that if a less popular/less active member posted this that they'd be getting torched by now.

To be real clear, this has nothing to do with the source in this thread. I am not running 24's gear and won't be (I just have better sources, that's why). It has everything to do with how poorly constructed and disrespectful your responses to Manamana were. Your responses look like you didn't have an answer for the posts, so instead of trying to address it, you simply chose to avoid it and make it about the poster instead. Not saying this is the case, but it looks that way.

You (Odie) have a lot of influence here. To offer up this kind of response(s) is just a bad, bad look for you brother. As some of the more experienced guys around here, we can do better than this.

 

[OdieM]

Okay, check it out, Odie. You've been here long enough to know that:

A) If you are going to jump into the middle of a fight, you don't run into the middle of the brawl, throw a few sucker punches, and then run over to your running pickup truck sitting nearby and speed away while the fight is still going on.

B) The quality of content of one's posts are more important than the join date of the person making the post.

For the record, I do not know @Manamana and I DO KNOW Odie very well. Maybe that is why I am saying what I am saying here instead of PM'ing it. The responses above are bullshit responses that are no better than a source making catty little remarks in their own defense.
Manamana took the time to address your points one by one, and did so respectfully. And your responses to him are that you see too much "blah blah blah" to respond, and you also basically tell him he is not worthy of a response from you? Seriously?!

Come on Odie, not cool! And this is coming from someone (me) who does think you're cool. I can only imagine that if a less popular/less active member posted this that they'd be getting torched by now.

To be real clear, this has nothing to do with the source in this thread. I am not running 24's gear and won't be (I just have better sources, that's why). It has everything to do with how poorly constructed and disrespectful your responses to Manamana were. Your responses look like you didn't have an answer for the posts, so instead of trying to address it, you simply chose to avoid it and make it about the poster instead. Not saying this is the case, but it looks that way.

You (Odie) have a lot of influence here. To offer up this kind of response(s) is just a bad, bad look for you brother. As some of the more experienced guys around here, we can do better than this.

Honestly didn't even care to read his post. I believe I mentioned so in the post above. Been getting a few PMs about how members believe he is 24k so of course when he posted right after 24k with what appears to be the same style of writing and probably saying the EXACT same thing 24k is I asked him who he was. I clearly explained myself regarding GOOD tren but then you have the shills who will say that 24k tren is the same as Fina. LMFAO sorry just don't want to hear it. I know everyone is pulling for Meso to have a good source and doesn't like me here. Guess what? I left this thread almost 2 weeks ago but once again I was tagged in a post here yesterday while a member was publicly calling 24k out for a piss poor product. I keep trying to make my exit again but I keep getting quoted and then the member who quotes me compairs bunk tren to government approved tren.

 

[Eman45]

I thought some people were really liking the tren. Is this a new batch that's bad or has it just not been good all along?? Sitting on some my self would like to know if I should still run it

 

[OdieM]

I thought some people were really liking the tren. Is this a new batch that's bad or has it just not been good all along?? Sitting on some my self would like to know if I should still run it

Well here's the deal with that. Yes there was a member here posting pics and shouting from the roof tops to look what 24k tren did for him. Guess what? He's now on another board using those same pics and saying look what _____ ( different source) Tren is doing for me. I saw it with my own eyes just 2 days ago. So who knows cause I think he was really the only one who ever said it was good but then again I havnt followed this thread till recently.

 

[Wunderpus]

Well here's the deal with that. Yes there was a member here posting pics and shouting from the roof tops to look what 24k tren did for him. Guess what? He's now on another board using those same pics and saying look what _____ ( different source) Tren is doing for me. I saw it with my own eyes just 2 days ago. So who knows cause I think he was really the only one who ever said it was good but then again I havnt followed this thread till recently.

Who is that??

 

[OdieM]

Ok let me rephrase that. Just went back and looked and he said he started with 24k test and tren but is now gonna finish his last 6-8 weeks with another labs gear. Weird cause he threw up pics all over Meso stating his appearance was from 24ks products and said many times how good it was. Just saying don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Who is that??

I think everyone knows. Sure he will post soon and I'll post a snap shot if necessary.

 

[Eman45]

Fk it only one way to find out.

 

[Wunderpus]

Ok let me rephrase that. Just went back and looked and he said he's started with 24k test and tren but is now gonna finish his last 6-8 weeks with another labs gear. Weird cause he threw up pics all over Meso stating his appearance was from 24ks products and said many times how good it was. Just saying don't believe everything you read on the Internet.



I think everyone knows. Sure he will post soon and I'll post a snap shot if necessary.

Okay, I haven't really been following too closely it seems.

@24kpharma My concern with your testing protocol is this:

You can send in your raws, and have them tested, but what does that actually mean for us? Not a ton.... You see, it would be much better for us, the users, to send in samples to Simec. I am confident in my experience with tren, enough to say this product doesn't seem right. I can labmax it, but we all know how that goes. Do you know the minimum sample size for Simec? I'm willing to do what I can, but in our eyes a source sending in samples in some senses is like masturbating in front of a mirror. Trust in your results will be strengthened if we have the same results with random Simec send ins. I don't want to allude to the fact you would be dishonest, as I'm not intending to insult your character.

Are there any other users who have an unopened sample of this batch, if it's needed, that would be willing to send it in? I have about 1ML, not sure if that is enough, and the source can always say it's been tampered with if the results are less-than ideal.... The only true way to know what we have is for US to send it in...

Thanks.

 

[xcvcx]

Okay, I haven't really been following too closely it seems.

@24kpharma My concern with your testing protocol is this:

You can send in your raws, and have them tested, but what does that actually mean for us? Not a ton.... You see, it would be much better for us, the users, to send in samples to Simec. I am confident in my experience with tren, enough to say this product doesn't seem right. I can labmax it, but we all know how that goes. Do you know the minimum sample size for Simec? I'm willing to do what I can, but in our eyes a source sending in samples in some senses is like masturbating in front of a mirror. Trust in your results will be strengthened if we have the same results with random Simec send ins. I don't want to allude to the fact you would be dishonest, as I'm not intending to insult your character.

Are there any other users who have an unopened sample of this batch, if it's needed, that would be willing to send it in? I have about 1ML, not sure if that is enough, and the source can always say it's been tampered with if the results are less-than ideal.... The only true way to know what we have is for US to send it in...

Thanks.

Read back a few pages, that's exactly what is being set up

 

[Wunderpus]

Read back a few pages, that's exactly what is being set up

Thanks, I will go back and look.

 

[Reaent]

I usually just read and try to take in as much info as I can, but I thought I would jump in on this one because I just started tren almost a week ago .5 eod and right now 300 a wk T about 4 weeks ago all 24 stuff. Started about 208 setting right now at 225. I have always reacted to anything including meds differently than I was suppose to. That being said I have zero sides from the tren A and my batch numbers dont match anything on here 0638 I think it is. Strictly stating the sides taking tren, I dont know maybe its too early yet Thats All I have

 

[OdieM]

I usually just read and try to take in as much info as I can, but I thought I would jump in on this one because I just started tren almost a week ago .5 eod and right now 300 a wk T about 4 weeks ago all 24 stuff. Started about 208 setting right now at 225. I have always reacted to anything including meds differently than I was suppose to. That being said I have zero sides from the tren A and my batch numbers dont match anything on here 0638 I think it is. Strictly stating the sides taking tren, I dont know maybe its too early yet Thats All I have

So your saying you put on 20 lbs in the first 4 weeks ? Gee please tell me your secret

 

[Kurosawa]

So your saying you put on 20 lbs in the first 4 weeks ? Gee please tell me your secret

Easy, tons of Ben & Jerry's icecream.

 

[Reaent]

This is only my second cycle and the first I think was bunk so I barely got anything from however I didnt know what to expect either, but I was doing anavar and I think this T is good, I dont have bloods yet obviously so I would workout 5-6 day and 4500/5000 cals a day Self employed so it is easy to eat 6 times a day....but yeah I have put on some weight, nothing fits haha

 

[Eman45]

Got 5 unopened vials of tren a. Not are batch number will check when I get home. Have no problem giving one up for testing

 

[Docd187123]

Let me know when 24k test like this.
Fina-H Brew LabMax | MESO-Rx Forum
Please be sure to read the comments below so you can see that no one has ever seen a lab max quite like this.

enough said

So basically you are comparing a labmax test vs analytical testing and saying your labmax result is the "fire". Sorry but there is no logic in that whatsoever and that sounds like a line from mercury or Ebola.