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[24kpharma]

Is the tren being tested batch 80638? @24kpharma

Yes, last four digits are 0638.

 

[mkulltra58]

Please contact me and we'll do the replacement or refund.

Please also understand that on the other hand, it reduces the credibility and usefulness of us conducting and paying for raws and finished product testing if they are disregarded. I do not intend to come off as contentious, but I am beginning to see little value if we are doing replacements and accepting blame regardless of whether or not we do testing. It would seem that many go off by feeling, which is not something we can guarantee. 200mg/wk test e or 700mg/wk of tren a may feel different for individual A vs individual B, there is no realistic way we can guarantee our products will produce the same feeling for everyone. We do not even claim any extreme quality control measures - all we have is labmax and overseas lab testing at our disposal.

Ultimately, we're at a dilemma as lab testing is costly and takes time and if they fall secondary to feeling then I see them as a lesser value to the overall community in terms of customer satisfaction. I also acknowledge that we seem to be in the middle of a "panic wave", where one person's doubt amplifies the next and so on and so forth. In such a case I would ask for patience as I am dedicating time to resolve this.

Thanks for reading.

The value of lab testing comes from sales. Look at how successful Pharmacom has been from using lab testing. I'm sure they are making a fortune since then too.

You test raws to make sure that you are brewing the right dosage. Those raw results should be posted to show that your raws are coming back good. Then you offer your customers to send their products for testing. This is limited of course but offering at least one customer to send a vial per batch is reasonable. Then there are no questions to quality and you make the testing money back on increased sales. As it stands right now though, you need to figure out whatever caused this problem and resolve it. Like myself and others have said with this particular batch of tren, there is something wrong with it. It's pretty much undeniable at this point. Unfortunately, myself and others like Wunderpus had to be a guinea pigs to figure it out this time. If you keep raising the dosage and not getting any effect, it's pretty clear that the batch is really underdosed. Especially with this compound, considering many can't handle it. If it was test e, I could see how feel isn't really that important.

 

[xcvcx]

Yes, last four digits are 0638.

Good deal. I'll just wait for any possible refund situations until those come back. As a community we need to value analytics much higher than feel. The feeling stuff is so wishy washy that the role of it should be to prompt analytical testing, not make a judgement or determination of a product.

 

[bhog]

I've got the same tren. Haven't pinned it waiting for next cycle.

 

[mkulltra58]

I've got the same tren. Haven't pinned it waiting for next cycle.

How about asking 24k to send one of those vials to Simec at his cost? He will probably replace it also and we will have a user-submitted sample. It would be good to resolve this situation.

@24kpharma Email sent.

 

[24kpharma]

The value of lab testing comes from sales. Look at how successful Pharmacom has been from using lab testing. I'm sure they are making a fortune since then too.

You test raws to make sure that you are brewing the right dosage. Those raw results should be posted to show that your raws are coming back good. Then you offer your customers to send their products for testing. This is limited of course but offering at least one customer to send a vial per batch is reasonable. Then there are no questions to quality and you make the testing money back on increased sales. As it stands right now though, you need to figure out whatever caused this problem and resolve it. Like myself and others have said with this particular batch of tren, there is something wrong with it. It's pretty much undeniable at this point. Unfortunately, myself and others like Wunderpus had to be a guinea pigs to figure it out this time. If you keep raising the dosage and not getting any effect, it's pretty clear that the batch is really underdosed. Especially with this compound, considering many can't handle it. If it was test e, I could see how feel isn't really that important.

First, I apologize if you or any members felt that they were or had to be guinea pigs. I've touched on this issue previously, but essentially we were to test the raws and finished product of every batch before selling, we would have to raise prices and dramatically lower stock. Testing cost and time simply cannot keep up with customer demand.

I appreciate the ideas you have brought up, and they are ones I have thought of as well. Unfortunately, the implementation is not as simple as it may seem. The testing time frame can be anywhere from 2-6+ weeks, and depending on the product, we sell out of a batch in 2-3 weeks. I am not sure how we can logistically keep up with a rolling testing schedule that also meets the customer demand. Hopefully this makes sense.

 

[24kpharma]

How about asking 24k to send one of those vials to Simec at his cost? He will probably replace it also and we will have a user-submitted sample. It would be good to resolve this situation.

@24kpharma Email sent.

Yes, we will replace and cover any and all cost associated. Right now we are still in communication with SIMEC to ensure that customers will not have a problem with USA customs and that their anonymity is upheld. Hopefully we can hash it out this week so I can have a sample shipping and payment protocol ready.

 

[bhog]

How about asking 24k to send one of those vials to Simec at his cost? He will probably replace it also and we will have a user-submitted sample. It would be good to resolve this situation.

@24kpharma Email sent.

I could do that

 

[mkulltra58]

Everyone pretty much knows that I am a proponent for analytical testing. Maybe not every batch of finished products is tested but maybe one or two user-submitted samples from a batch of raws is tested.

Like was mentioned, the only time going by "feel" is really useful is if a product is completely bunk or very underdosed. Then that would initiate further testing. This might not apply to all compounds but for sure some of the major ones like tren.

 

[GrandChamp]

Does anyone have any feedback on the Tren E recently-all I am seeing is the Tren A....just curious.

 

[bhog]

Yes, we will replace and cover any and all cost associated. Right now we are still in communication with SIMEC to ensure that customers will not have a problem with USA customs and that their anonymity is upheld. Hopefully we can hash it out this week so I can have a sample shipping and payment protocol ready.

Sounds good, as long as risk is low for me I can send.

 

[24kpharma]

Does anyone have any feedback on the Tren E recently-all I am seeing is the Tren A....just curious.

Tren E batch ending in 9934 was also sent for testing. Thanks.

 

[24kpharma]

Sounds good, as long as risk is low for me I can send.

Thank you, send me an email and I will keep you updated with our customer sample protocols.

 

[bhog]

Thank you, send me an email and I will keep you updated with our customer sample protocols.

Will do

 

[ECB]

My fear with going public with this is now all of a sudden everyone has "underdosed gear" and absolute panic and pandemonium takes place.

Simec and "feel " are all about we have for tren.... I've run a lot of tren, and I'm very well-versed in what to expect. This is not that.

This is what seems to be happening. Bunch of mental midgets..lol It is crazy how the power of suggestion works, and how mental this game is. It is fun to watch though.

Everyone "feels" this, or "feels" that. Yet at this time, how many "less than desirable" tests are there? How many "good" tests are there?

I consider you more experienced, and not really what I am talking about above, but what if your tren comes back dosed on point? Then what? How do you proceed on gauging tren from here on out?

For me, I used to get the typical sides on tren, now I get nothing. Like literally nothing, in terms of sides.

 

[OdieM]

Bloods are all over the place and the tren is shit. 24k is sending in samples to be tested. LMAO gee I wonder how they will score? GTFOH

 

[mkulltra58]

This is what seems to be happening. Bunch of mental midgets..lol It is crazy how the power of suggestion works, and how mental this game is. It is fun to watch though.

Everyone "feels" this, or "feels" that. Yet at this time, how many "less than desirable" tests are there? How many "good" tests are there?

I consider you more experienced, and not really what I am talking about above, but what if your tren comes back dosed on point? Then what? How do you proceed on gauging tren from here on out?

For me, I used to get the typical sides on tren, now I get nothing. Like literally nothing, in terms of sides.

So you are saying that no matter how high you upped your dose of tren, you will never "feel" whether it is working or not? How about if you are running a gram of tren a week? Not going to notice that you are on tren? I think at some point "feel" is going to come into play with tren.

 

[ECB]

Bloods are all over the place and the tren is shit. 24k is sending in samples to be tested. LMAO gee I wonder how they will score? GTFOH

I personally hope one of these people with the "underdosed tren" take him up on the offer and send it in to simec for testing on 24k's dime. That would put it to rest.

I remember about 5-6 years ago when GH serum testing was starting to gain momentum, and we had all these "experienced" gh users saying how strong "so and so" GH was. They would talk about all the sides. Tired all day, carpal tunnel, etc. Then when it got tested it was completely bunk..lol

 

[ECB]

So you are saying that no matter how high you upped your dose of tren, you will never "feel" whether it is working or not? How about if you are running a gram of tren a week? Not going to notice that you are on tren? I think at some point "feel" is going to come into play with tren.

I don't arbitrarily up doses, until I feel shit, no. lol I can assure you, all of a sudden, every tren I ran after a certain point, wasn't under dosed or bunk, that is for sure. I can run pellet tren, brewed myself, and I get no sides. I don't feel the need to run a gram of tren, to feel better about the finished product.

 

[Wunderpus]

I agree with your first point and mentioned it in the post I just made.

I believe this is how I will handle it:

Right now we have a few raw samples including mast p with ChemTox. I am aware of their recent possible issues regarding identifying all compounds. We hope with this testing we can finally close the books on the mast p issue from months ago.

We also have several finished products at SIMEC. If the results come back unacceptable, I will need to look at my operation. If the results come back acceptable, that's great and I'll continue doing what I'm doing. However I may reduce the frequency and volume of samples tested if they are favored less than the feeling on the compound.


End of the day however, I want to make it right with the customers. Unless the reason or request is outrageous, we'll work with you to make it right. Our prices may be higher than some, but that's partly because we're domestic and small but also because you're buying into our customer service. I want customers to know that we will not leave them out to dry. If you're unhappy, let me know and let's work it out. It also needs to be said to please avoid taking advantage of this policy stance.

Thanks for reading.

In my case, it's literally 1 vial, so I am not too concerned with the cost. You and the customers deserve to know what's going on, and to be given the opportunity to sell/receive the highest quality products possible.

I am not entirely sure what is best here, but sitting silent when I feel something isn't quite right seemed wrong.