24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[24kpharma]

Great introduction. As you said, you are a new source and nobody has to be purchase from you. This is one of the better introductions I have seen. In all reality, you do not need to have a "lab" to brew your steroids. So many homebrewers do it right out of their kitchens, including me. With the right precautions everything will be sterile. So I do not see an issue with that.

I hate seeing every new source getting run out of here because they don't even get a chance. If Spetz and Astro for whatever reason disappeared from this game, than we would be out two of the board's top sources, and left with almost no source local to this board, other than MikeStrong who is private, I guess...

Only thing I will say is scrap the gmail and maybe work on getting an autoclave... Also possibly a room dedicated to this business.

Thanks for the kind words! I am continuously working to improve my "business", I will update the community every once in awhile with how I am improving. Hope that works for the community. I know I still have a lot to learn.

 

[24kpharma]

Well, FYI, good Test prop has been hard to come by lately.



What test results are you waiting for? I may have missed this or forgot what was said. Are you doing Mass Spec's on your raws?



This is smart. I wonder why more people don't take this angle. Quality above quantity if you want to survive here. .

Thanks for the heads up on test prop, I have heard that among a few boards lately. Not sure why the reasoning. A few weeks ago it was tren a that was hard to come by.

No MS/HPLC for my raws but if anyone has any good suggestions I am open! Of course safety is my number one concern when testing these raws. I have a few orders out already, just waiting on reviews and labmaxes from them. A couple people say they are going to take up the 100% reimbursement for tests policy. We will have to see if they follow through, hopefully they do!

Quality quality quality, it's so important. Yes I want to move product but I want to move good product. I hope that one day I won't even have to source anywhere as quality products and customer service talk for themselves.

Thanks again for reading and following up.

 

[Dshep]

Why don't YOU post up some of your product being labmaxed yourself?? It would be at least a start.

 

[24kpharma]

This won't mean much coming from a source, but I'd like to hear an honest reply if possible.

Do you run your own gear?

How close to proper dosage has your own bloodwork or others come back as for your Test?

You said your stock was organized into batches depending on source. Can you expand on what methods are in place to identify underdosed gear? Is every vial marked with a batch number?

Do you keep track of the source used for the batch numbers?

Will you notify the board of a batch that has been found to be under dosed or bunk?

Will you replace batches publicly identified as underdosed or bunk?

I will be as honest as possible with the community, as I have nothing to hide but my identity. That being said I also understand the opinion that my word may mean nothing as I'm "shilling" for myself haha.

I do run my own gear. On test, deca and eq right now.

I have never done bloodwork besides after my first cycle, which was not with my own gear. Reasoning is I'm on that perma-blast status (some may call that stupid) so I have no idea what compound is underdosed, dosed properly, bunk with everything I'm running.

So every vial has a batch number with it. Only vials that dont are those who request no label on them. In that case I give you a batch number and I record that batch number down. Batches are organized by being brewed together and from what raws source they are from. I have a google spreedsheet that helps me organize which batch number goes with what vials. The reason I can't move my vials around very much is that they are all unlabeled right now (so customers have a choice of labeling) and are organized by their location in my closet.

I will notify and replace all product that has found to be bad after an investigation. I expect the investigation to take no more than a week. This gives me time to talk to those who have tested, the raws provider, as well as look at how I brewed it. I will publicly announce which batches are related to the bad batch. I have processes in place to prevent those that might fraudulently try to claim bad batches, but I will assume no one will do that. It's still good to have processes in place.

Hopefully that answered all your questions. Let me know if you have any others!

 

[24kpharma]

Gmail, even though you can use encrypted gmail, is subject to subpoena from the US government. Google has been all too willing to hand over user information. You seriously need to consider something more secure. PGP is required here. It will cost you some money to use a non-traceable email service but it'll be worth it if you plan on growing.

Hi, thanks for the explanation. I do use countermail and incorporating PGP in that. Will that suffice for this community? or is there another service I should use? Thanks for the help.

 

[24kpharma]

Why don't YOU post up some of your product being labmaxed yourself?? It would be at least a start.

I read that is was frowned upon that sources post their own labmaxes. I'm still learning the culture here so please correct me if I'm wrong. I also expect labmaxes to be coming out sooner than I would receive them and test the product myself. I am not asking anyone to buy product until tests have come out. Thanks for your feedback.

 

[hotdog23]

Thanks for the heads up on test prop, I have heard that among a few boards lately. Not sure why the reasoning. A few weeks ago it was tren a that was hard to come by.

No MS/HPLC for my raws but if anyone has any good suggestions I am open! Of course safety is my number one concern when testing these raws. I have a few orders out already, just waiting on reviews and labmaxes from them. A couple people say they are going to take up the 100% reimbursement for tests policy. We will have to see if they follow through, hopefully they do!

Quality quality quality, it's so important. Yes I want to move product but I want to move good product. I hope that one day I won't even have to source anywhere as quality products and customer service talk for themselves.

Thanks again for reading and following up.

ABSOLUTELY NO REASON ANY SOURCE SHOULD NOT AT LEAST LABMAX THEIR RAWS. ITS CHEAP AND RELATIVELY EASY. NO REASON

hondachem and landmark? I think you could do better. Appreciate effort and transparency though. Honesty IS the best policy! (Except when dealing with LE - LIE to those cocksuckers)

 

[24kpharma]

ABSOLUTELY NO REASON ANY SOURCE SHOULD NOT AT LEAST LABMAX THEIR RAWS. ITS CHEAP AND RELATIVELY EASY. NO REASON

hondachem and landmark? I think you could do better. Appreciate effort and transparency though. Honesty IS the best policy! (Except when dealing with LE - LIE to those cocksuckers)

Apologies, I have no excuses for not labmaxing my own raws. I am still learning a lot from selling online. My main venture has been local so far.

HondaChem has been bad with communication lately so I might drop them. The reason I like landmark is because their communication is spot on. This gives me more assurance that they will answer to bad raws batches.

Thanks for feedback.

 

[24kpharma]

If I missed anyone's comment please let me know! I tried my best to go back and respond to everyone but I may have overlooked a post. Thank you everyone for reading and commenting. I know I may not have the most fluid systems in place but that's one reason I'm here, to learn. I appreciate what everyone is sharing so far.

 

[hotdog23]

They will answer until you stop paying them. You sound like a solid dude and I like how you handled everyone and the scoc

BUT

Apologies, I have no excuses for not labmaxing my own raws. I am still learning a lot from selling online. My main venture has ....

I think this is over until you get a $200 labmax kit and test every batch of your super small inventory. Then test every 50g batch of raw your getting at a time.

You have ZERO quality control and use two dime-a-dozen sleepy chinaman raw suppliers.

Your enanthate could be ISO or ace or pp or any ester. U have no clue. Your test could b frikkim DECA. Melting point tests or something man.

Come back with BASIC quality control measures that you "CARE SO MUCH ABOUT" and I will be happy to order and give an honest review.

Until then u gotta kick rocks buddy

Edit: SLEEZY raw suppliers lol not sleepy

 

[24kpharma]

They will answer until you stop paying them. You sound like a solid dude and I like how you handled everyone and the scoc

BUT



I think this is over until you get a $200 labmax kit and test every batch of your super small inventory. Then test every 50g batch of raw your getting at a time.

You have ZERO quality control and use two dime-a-dozen sleepy chinaman raw suppliers.

Your enanthate could be ISO or ace or pp or any ester. U have no clue. Your test could b frikkim DECA. Melting point tests or something man.

Come back with BASIC quality control measures that you "CARE SO MUCH ABOUT" and I will be happy to order and give an honest review.

Until then u gotta kick rocks buddy

Good point, I understand that point of view. I will order a labmax kit tonight. Do you know if a regular 325 nm UV light from amazon would work? It seems like it would make more sense to just buy the test vials and UV light separate, unless the kit has other things as well?

On the website it says takes 1-2 weeks to deliver and since it is holiday time I expect this to be even longer. So for full fairness, it will take me some time to get these labmax kits.

Edit Just as a heads up, labmaxes every 50g batch of raws is not a problem given I buy a large stock of vials. But the added variable costs, time to test, take pictures/videos, and post on the board will mean slightly increased cost per vial. Does that sound fair?

No one needs to order from me now, but if the community doesn't mind me sticking around and answering concerns about my processes and myself that would be good. If you would like me to get out until I get get conclusive tests, let me know. I am just a visitor in your house.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[flenser]

No MS/HPLC for my raws but if anyone has any good suggestions I am open! Of course safety is my number one concern when testing these raws. I have a few orders out already, just waiting on reviews and labmaxes from them. A couple people say they are going to take up the 100% reimbursement for tests policy. We will have to see if they follow through, hopefully they do!

We've had new sources and old ones, some of them considered legends before they opened at Meso, using this policy of NOT TESTING. 100% of them screwed their customers. The legends have all left in disgrace. Please go away and return when you have a legit product to sell.

 

[24kpharma]

We've had new sources and old ones, some of them considered legends before they opened at Meso, using this policy of NOT TESTING. 100% of them screwed their customers. The legends have all left in disgrace. Please go away and return when you have a legit product to sell.

Hi, thanks for the feedback. I full embrace the concept of testing, that's the whole reason I have this batch number system set up. I am still a work in progress and I promise to have tests up from my both myself and hopefully others as soon as possible. If the community feels like I should leave until then, I will fully comply- just let me know. Thanks.

 

[Raider72]

You sound like you are a bit premature & unready to handle what you are about to face. 1 question already asked but didn't see an answer. Why meso & who told you to come here? sorry if i missed an answer to that. Good attitude & seem sincere but unless i am missing something you are already in over your head?

 

[biggerben69]

I dunno? I like this kid for some reason. Many of you guys seem to as well? Concerns? A big "don't fucking do it" is to sell locally as well as online. Sources that have been around will say it's best to pick one and go with it.
Reshippers/remailers are often the first to fall. Often times they are compensated with gear which they of course want to sell because gym prices are about 2.5 times more than online prices. They get lazy or the high school senior does and forgets he put his few vials under the passenger seat of his car. He's pulled over and can't tell the cop quickly enough who sold him public enemy #1.(Testosterone)
However 1st contact with LE comes about the source or reshipper is picked up after a controlled buy or after he is pulled over. The first thing that the cops do after securing their prisoner is to search his home.
A stock of gear is discovered along with pkging material which indicates online dealing. If the guya email doesn't open automatically and they are too stupid to open the email google will be happy to do their part to help LE.
Back when ORD went down the encrypted pay to play "HUSHMAIL" turned over everything they had. We had a false sense of security with them. The first clue that they would shake, piss their pants, and give it up was that the server/company was out of Canada. Your 2nd email should be your "go to".
If your busted then they will go to work checking out your customers to see who isn't just getting for personal use. You know, how many little drug dealers are under your unbrella. How big will the conspiracy be?
If it's the sources remailer the source can expect to be set up to be taken down extremely hard and extremely public.
If there is no local distribution the odds are much better that you won't go without PCT while cooling your heels in prison. You won't be able to retain a private attorney as your assets will be seized.
It's hard to turn down that local money.

 

[flenser]

Hi, thanks for the feedback. I full embrace the concept of testing, that's the whole reason I have this batch number system set up. I am still a work in progress and I promise to have tests up from my both myself and hopefully others as soon as possible. If the community feels like I should leave until then, I will fully comply- just let me know. Thanks.

You will gt plenty of customers. Then the ones that test will start complaining. You will promise to replace their bad gear, and even mean it. But you will find the stuff you order is no better than the stuff you got before. You won't be able to replace the bad gear. There will be a Meso gang bang, and you will eventually leave, maybe head to paid forum with the cash you swiped from Meso members. If this is your goal, you're on the right track.

 

[24kpharma]

You sound like you are a bit premature & unready to handle what you are about to face. 1 question already asked but didn't see an answer. Why meso & who told you to come here? sorry if i missed an answer to that. Good attitude & seem sincere but unless i am missing something you are already in over your head?

I understand that sentiment. I fully admit I may be premature for a online business, but I am learning and growing.

I did a little looking around and it seemed like Meso is one of the few places with good traffic and no paywall or sponsors that sponsor the board. I appreciate the feedback, what I'm getting is "good attitude but still too much to learn about online businesses".

 

[24kpharma]

You will gt plenty of customers. Then the ones that test will start complaining. You will promise to replace their bad gear, and even mean it. But you will find the stuff you order is no better than the stuff you got before. You won't be able to replace the bad gear. There will be a Meso gang bang, and you will eventually leave, maybe head to paid forum with the cash you swiped from Meso members. If this is your goal, you're on the right track.

Sorry if I come off as that way, I do have good intentions. There have been many warnings of being overwhelmed and I don't plan to take more orders than I can handle at first. Honestly if the traffic gets too heavy I will take a break from selling, wait for customer feedback, and continue when I can manage it. I promise I will keep everyone updated and won't disappear unless I'm asked to leave. Since I already have been asked to leave by a WKM, is this what the community would like?

Thanks for reading.

 

[Raider72]

I understand that sentiment. I fully admit I may be premature for a online business, but I am learning and growing.

I did a little looking around and it seemed like Meso is one of the few places with good traffic and no paywall or sponsors that sponsor the board. I appreciate the feedback, what I'm getting is "good attitude but still too much to learn about online businesses".

stay safe, keep others safe & listen to the vets here even when it is harsh. Flenser & bb69 are 2 that can be very helpful but they don't pull punches, especially with sources. being humble & staying out of confrontation will serve you well. bb69 & flenser gave some very good feed back!

 

[Kinikuman]

I give you points for not trying to be something you are not. From the looks of things you are/have been home brewing and decided to make a run at a broader business venture. That's fine. Everyone has to start somewhere. You can pay to play on other boards and be protected for selling crap but that doesn't fly here. We require proof that what you advertise is what you sell and we are getting more scientific about it each day. You can take advantage of this environment to build a better business or go the way of so many others before you. You need to test everything, often, and adjust accordingly or you will be called on it. You have been duly notified.