24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[flenser]

Sorry if I come off as that way, I do have good intentions. There have been many warnings of being overwhelmed and I don't plan to take more orders than I can handle at first. Honestly if the traffic gets too heavy I will take a break from selling, wait for customer feedback, and continue when I can manage it. I promise I will keep everyone updated and won't disappear unless I'm asked to leave. Since I already have been asked to leave by a WKM, is this what the community would like?

Thanks for reading.

I wasn't talking to you, scammer-to-be. I was warning potential buyers away. I know you are going to do what you want, regardless of what I say. You have good ntentions too, I know. But you are on a track I have seen 50 times in 2 years. There is only one ending.

 

[24kpharma]

stay safe, keep others safe & listen to the vets here even when it is harsh. Flenser & bb69 are 2 that can be very helpful but they don't pull punches, especially with sources. being humble & staying out of confrontation will serve you well. bb69 & flenser gave some very good feed back!

I will try to be as humble as possible, hope that I have done an ok job so far. I am planning to reread this thread before I pack it in for the night. A lot of good advice and feedback was given. Thanks.

 

[24kpharma]

I wasn't talking to you, scammer-to-be. I was warning potential buyers away. I know you are going to do what you want, regardless of what I say. You have good ntentions too, I know. But you are on a track I have seen 50 times in 2 years. There is only one ending.

Ah ok sorry I misunderstood. If you wouldn't mind further elaborating on what the signs are? and if there's anything a source could do to avoid that outcome? I do appreciate the feedback, sometimes being blunt be the best way to convey a message. I am open to any feedback. Thanks again.

 

[24kpharma]

I give you points for not trying to be something you are not. From the looks of things you are/have been home brewing and decided to make a run at a broader business venture. That's fine. Everyone has to start somewhere. You can pay to play on other boards and be protected for selling crap but that doesn't fly here. We require proof that what you advertise is what you sell and we are getting more scientific about it each day. You can take advantage of this environment to build a better business or go the way of so many others before you. You need to test everything, often, and adjust accordingly or you will be called on it. You have been duly notified.

Thanks for the advice, I will try my best to keep up with product and testing product. Even if this venture does not work out I will still try to take what I have heard from this board. Because likely, if someone has said it here then there is potential customer thinking it out there. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[flenser]

Ah ok sorry I misunderstood. If you wouldn't mind further elaborating on what the signs are? and if there's anything a source could do to avoid that outcome? I do appreciate the feedback, sometimes being blunt be the best way to convey a message. I am open to any feedback. Thanks again.

You are not testing your raws. There's no chance all your gear is legit. None.

 

[Raider72]

lol oh you will get "blunt" & you will not have to ask.

 

[Big Mike]

So far not bad brotha @24kpharma. Trust me, we all want a lab succeed and do well, selling killer product with tested results. So it would be in your best interest to take heed to the advice these vets are giving you, take it all in, regroup and come back when your ready.

Best of luck,

Big Mike

 

[24kpharma]

You are not testing your raws. There's no chance all your gear is legit. None.

Will test raws ASAP, ordering labmax tonight. Thanks for your input in this thread.

 

[24kpharma]

So far not bad brotha @24kpharma. Trust me, we all want a lab succeed and do well, selling killer product with tested results. So it would be in your best interest to take heed to the advice these vets are giving you.

Best of luck,

Big Mike

Hey, thanks for the encouraging words. I will try my best to implement everything said here. I would love to succeed here but I there is no way I could handle the traffic that I hear it can generate. I would have to either go private or take breaks between orders to fill them.

 

[flenser]

Will test raws ASAP, ordering labmax tonight. Thanks for your input in this thread.

I've done more labmax tests than almost anyone here. It won't prevent you from selling bunk gear. You need a real lab. Labmax is a sanity check for customers, not a QC tool for brewers. If you don't already have a reliable lab to test your raws, you're exactly what I said you are. You are going to screw your customers. How much of your pre-source funds are you willing to spend to fix that after it happens?

 

[24kpharma]

I've done more labmax tests than almost anyone here. It won't prevent you from selling bunk gear. You need a real lab. Labmax is a sanity check for customers, not a QC tool for brewers. If you don't already have a reliable lab to test your raws, you're exactly what I said you are. You are going to screw your customers. How much of your pre-source funds are you willing to spend to fix that after it happens?

Thanks for your continuing conversation. Unfortunately, labmax and reviews are really what I'm capable of right now. As a homebrew UGL I don't have access to "real labs", apologies.

I don't really touch the money made from selling right now as it's all going towards more raws. Bad batches would just mean less raws and less sales for awhile. Admittedly, not much more I can do more than that as a small time homebrew source.

 

[BIGMESC]

I wasn't talking to you, scammer-to-be. I was warning potential buyers away. I know you are going to do what you want, regardless of what I say. You have good ntentions too, I know. But you are on a track I have seen 50 times in 2 years. There is only one ending.

Being an optimist I would like to think flenser is wrong but...
Being a realist the numbers don't lie, as much as it pains me I have to go with the truth and that is...
Only a matter of time, not if, but when.

 

[flenser]

Thanks for your continuing conversation. Unfortunately, labmax and reviews are really what I'm capable of right now. As a homebrew UGL I don't have access to "real labs", apologies.

This is exactly my point. You're not ready. I predict you will soon be faced with the decision to either bail while owing customers gear and refunds, or spend MORE than you started with.

 

[Kinikuman]

Being an optimist I would like to think flenser is wrong but...
Being a realist the numbers don't lie, as much as it pains me I have to go with the truth and that is...
Only a matter of time, not if, but when.

flenser and Mesc are right. You need a lot more capital to do this properly. Right now you are using production to finance expansion with no cushion. Living check-to-check, so to speak. One bad batch and you can't afford replacements. Until you fix that problem, sales stop, cutting off your funds to buy more raws to fill orders on the bad batch. See where this is going? We do. You should , too.

 

[Raider72]

24k seems like you really have good intentions but those intentions will wreck you & your customers. Flenser speaks truth & the proof is in every source thread in the underground.

 

[24kpharma]

This is exactly my point. You're not ready. I predict you will soon be faced with the decision to either bail while owing customers gear and refunds, or spend MORE than you started with.

I see where you are coming from, I would just like to consider a counter-point in that this would assume all my batches are bad. Underdosed and purity is still an issue I'm trying to figure out how to exactly test accurately. But I have confidence that all my batches from all three raw sources I use are not all bad. Let me know what you think, thanks.

 

[24kpharma]

flenser and Mesc are right. You need a lot more capital to do this properly. Right now you are using production to finance expansion with no cushion. Living check-to-check, so to speak. One bad batch and you can't afford replacements. Until you fix that problem, sales stop, cutting off your funds to buy more raws to fill orders on the bad batch. See where this is going? We do. You should , too.

Without giving away how much profit I can make from vials, homebrewers probably know, I have confidence that one good order from a raws source and product made from that order can fund the rest of the orders being bad. I have talked to Landmark about how they handle bad batches and they say (who knows if they'll follow through) that they will replace the batch if I provide proof. I do enough business with them and have a few friends also buying from them that I think it gives me some leverage for them to resend a bad batch. Just some thoughts I had on the topic, let me know if I'm off-base. Thanks

 

[24kpharma]

24k seems like you really have good intentions but those intentions will wreck you & your customers. Flenser speaks truth & the proof is in every source thread in the underground.

I do appreciate that the community members are criticizing the business strategy and not my character. I was wondering if someone could provide me an example of a UGL source that does well, or does it not exist?

Thanks

 

[flenser]

I see where you are coming from, I would just like to consider a counter-point in that this would assume all my batches are bad. Underdosed and purity is still an issue I'm trying to figure out how to exactly test accurately. But I have confidence that all my batches from all three raw sources I use are not all bad. Let me know what you think, thanks.

I think you know even less about your raw sources than I do.

 

[Kinikuman]

I do appreciate that the community members are criticizing the business strategy and not my character. I was wondering if someone could provide me an example of a UGL source that does well, or does it not exist?

Thanks

Even the best of the best have fallen here. That doesn't mean they went out of business but it does mean that experienced issue(s) with quality and/or service to the point of intolerance by this board. Take from that what you will.