24k Pharma US Domestic Source

Read some threads u gonna end up in the same place as they all do.copping pleas struggling to remember your lies & explaining why your gear is TRASH.OH LET ME GUESS U GOT A GUY IN CHINA.TURKEY U GOT PHARMA GRADE TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE UNDERDOSED GEAR TILL NEW RAWS GET IN FROM YOUR TOP NOTCH TEAM IN THAILAND.BAD TIMING YEAH YOU SEE HOW MANY BROTHERS ARE SAYING FUCK UGLZ.RITE NOW.ARE U SOLID WHO CAN VOUCH FOR YOU REALLY... 24K ITS LIKE THIS NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS EVERYTHING CAN BE DOCTORED up to be LEGIT.EVERYONE IS PISSED AND YOU BETTER BE THE REAL FUCKING DEAL.CUZ AINT A BROTHER ON HERE READY FOR ANOTHER EPISODE.

I can see your frustration and while I can't say that I can understand, I can hear your frustration. I have not been around as long or have been burned by any UGL's like other members of the community here. I have not asked or pushed any sales through this thread. I am simply trying to be transparent and improve my processes. When I first posted, I was told to provide some sort of testing, even labmaxes of my own product. As a result, I followed through by purchasing a labmax and labmaxing most of my product line. While I understand this may mean nothing coming from a source, as I could be testing pharma grade test, I hope that it shows some level of due diligence from my part. I have used at least 6 labmax test and opened 6 vials.

I cannot guarantee you that I will provide the best quality product, but I can guarantee I will be as transparent as possible and do my best. I can only do so much as a small lab- I can't get mass specs, I can't get HPLC's, and I can't get any reviews unless people actually purchase.

I am trying my best and just ask the community to give me constructive feedback. My number one priority is not for sales, it is for transparency and try to earn the trust of the community.

Let me know what your opinion is. Thanks
 
Everyone here is too busy bitching about a guy that has posted twice in the last month and hasn't shipped real gear for at least 6 months. The members of this board want to be fucked over, so they can blame anyone besides themselves.

My opinion is, you've done everything thats been asked of you here. Your communication has been great. The piece you're missing is the million dollar facility the members here think their sources brew in. This source is homebrew. You're getting gear brewed in his kitchen. He's been very open about his process on reddit. I hate to tell you guys, but its no different than any other sources here.

The other thing that's missing is bloodwork. Honestly we only ever see bloodwork on new sources around here when they offer a massive sale, or hand out the gear to members with some fancy words next to their name. I expect we'll see bloodwork from someone on reddit within the next month.

Oh and of course mass spec is missing, but we'll never see mass spec on this source or any other homebrew operation.
 
Everyone here is too busy bitching about a guy that has posted twice in the last month and hasn't shipped real gear for at least 6 months. The members of this board want to be fucked over, so they can blame anyone besides themselves.

My opinion is, you've done everything thats been asked of you here. Your communication has been great. The piece you're missing is the million dollar facility the members here think their sources brew in. This source is homebrew. You're getting gear brewed in his kitchen. He's been very open about his process on reddit. I hate to tell you guys, but its no different than any other sources here.

The other thing that's missing is bloodwork. Honestly we only ever see bloodwork on new sources around here when they offer a massive sale, or hand out the gear to members with some fancy words next to their name. I expect we'll see bloodwork from someone on reddit within the next month.

Oh and of course mass spec is missing, but we'll never see mass spec on this source or any other homebrew operation.

Thanks for your feedback. I have tried my best to comply with this community's requests. I appreciate that you have followed my efforts on other boards as well- I try not to mention them as I have been told there is some negative associations with mentioning other boards.

For full transparency, there have been a few members of the community that have reached out asking to test out my product. I am comfortable giving a discount for 1-2 vials for a member to try out themselves. What I am uncomfortable with, and will not engage in, is discounted prices in return for reviews. I would like for reviews to come from your "average customer", meaning I am blind to whether or not they are testing or reviewing my product. I will not engage in any type of dishonest sale. I am still learning the hierarchical system here, but unfortunately I will not be exchanging product in return for reviews. I want the product to speak for itself. At the same time, I do not want to be ignorant of community practices. If it is customary for back room dealings to take place in order for a source to be accepted, then please inform me. Even though I will not engage in it, I will still love feedback from the community, as I know there is a wealth of knowledge here.

Thanks for reading.
 
Beat it herd it all Mr 24 carrot..

Hey, while I can see where your frustrations come from, I just ask for you to not take out your negative experiences on someone who has not been involved. I mean no harm to any community member here and have been as respectful as possible to all replies, comments, and members.

I just ask that if you would like to engage in a discussion or debate, to do it respectfully. I understand this is your community and your rules, I am just asking for a bit of respect. I would not ask you to treat me any differently than I have treated this community. Thanks for reading.
 
'I can't get MS/HPLC'

You didn't even try.

If you can't verify the labeled dosage as being accurate then don't sell drugs with a label claiming a certain dosage / ml. It really is that simple.

Hey, thanks for your input. Earlier in this thread I offered to send or purchase any sources of 3rd party, honest, and quality mass spec testers. I was told that some members have access and to keep an eye out. Unfortunately, I have yet to discover said members. No one has reached out either for possibilities of mass spec testers.

I am uncertain what else to do, as it is unreasonable to ask me to reach out to a legal establishment to have them test an illegal substance. If there's anything further you would like me to do, I will do my best to follow your request.

I understand where you are coming from with the accurate labeling. Unfortunately, even if I were able to prove 100% purity on my raws, there is still no way for me to prove every product going out was dosed exactly as the label says. For example, I could purposely underdose batches but have legitimate powder. Or I could send correctly dosed batches for testing but still underdose batches I sell to customers. Or I could sell correctly dosed batches for a few months before changing to underdosed batches. In the end there is no way for me to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what my label says matches what the contents are. Unfortunately, that is the nature of illegal, unregulated substance. i am sorry, but I do not know how I can rectify this concern.
Thanks for reading.
 
No one has reached out either for possibilities of mass spec testers.

You think consumers with access to MS/HPLC are going to volunteer their connect to be an amateur sources QA department? They must not care about their MS/HPLC sources longevity then.

No one has reached out to you? Too bad. You have to do the work, no one else is going to do it for you.

Figure it out.

Unfortunately, even if I were able to prove 100% purity on my raws, there is still no way for me to prove every product going out was dosed exactly as the label says.

Smh....

You are probably the 3rd source that tried to set up shop here who gave members this absolute garbage excuse when they got called out for not wanting to pursue MS/HPLC.

They all said the exact same line 'it would mean nothing coming from me/the source'.

QA isn't supposed to be used as a selling point or an attempt to drum up sales or interest. If you want to make sure your products are good BEFORE it gets into your customers hand, you have no other choice but to test finished products to verify concentration data or obtain purity data on raw materials.

Why even put a dosage per ml on your products labels? You claim your test c is 250mg/ml. In that case please post the HPLC confirming that it is actually that concentration.
 
You think consumers with access to MS/HPLC are going to volunteer their connect to be an amateur sources QA department? They must not care about their MS/HPLC sources longevity then.

No one has reached out to you? Too bad. You have to do the work, no one else is going to do it for you.

Figure it out.



Smh....

You are probably the 3rd source that tried to set up shop here who gave members this absolute garbage excuse when they got called out for not wanting to pursue MS/HPLC.

They all said the exact same line 'it would mean nothing coming from me/the source'.

QA isn't supposed to be used as a selling point or an attempt to drum up sales or interest. If you want to make sure your products are good BEFORE it gets into your customers hand, you have no other choice but to test finished products to verify concentration data or obtain purity data on raw materials.

Why even put a dosage per ml on your products labels? You claim your test c is 250mg/ml. In that case please post the HPLC confirming that it is actually that concentration.

I understand your point of view. I am not asking any members here to buy from me. At this point I am really not pushing for sales here on this community, rather I am trying to better my business practice, look for constructive feedback, as well as provide an open dialogue for any and all members here on this community.

I 100% want to pursue MS/HPLC/NMR or any quantitative testing available. I am full on-board, however to be fair there has to be some leeway for me. Part of the reason I came to this board was to try and find a reliable and honest source of quantitative analytical testing. I have no local contacts or friends that are able or are willing to risk their position to test illegal substances for me. If I have come off as trying to make excuses not to pursue analyical testing, my apologies. I have full intentions to pursue all avenues of testing. However, MS/HPLC/NMR are not as simple to purchase a labmax kit. It will take me some time to find a reliable, honest, and consistent tester. I am willing to do the work, I have been lurking throughout the community. At the same time though, I do not want to disrespect any members that have testing available by reaching out as some small new source trying to get my product tested. They would have no interest in doing such a small and random source a huge favor. I hope you can understand my dilemma.

I am doing the best that I can and I am being as open as possible. I just ask for some time and leeway. I have bought and provided the labmax as that is what the community has told me the first steps are. Thanks for reading and your response.
 
Hey, thanks for your input. Earlier in this thread I offered to send or purchase any sources of 3rd party, honest, and quality mass spec testers. I was told that some members have access and to keep an eye out. Unfortunately, I have yet to discover said members. No one has reached out either for possibilities of mass spec testers.

I am uncertain what else to do, as it is unreasonable to ask me to reach out to a legal establishment to have them test an illegal substance. If there's anything further you would like me to do, I will do my best to follow your request.

I understand where you are coming from with the accurate labeling. Unfortunately, even if I were able to prove 100% purity on my raws, there is still no way for me to prove every product going out was dosed exactly as the label says. For example, I could purposely underdose batches but have legitimate powder. Or I could send correctly dosed batches for testing but still underdose batches I sell to customers. Or I could sell correctly dosed batches for a few months before changing to underdosed batches. In the end there is no way for me to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what my label says matches what the contents are. Unfortunately, that is the nature of illegal, unregulated substance. i am sorry, but I do not know how I can rectify this concern.
Thanks for reading.


Here is the thing man, you won't ever get mass specs, nobody does. No legitimate facility is going to help us test the quality of our drugs so you might as well not waste your time with those fantasies. If you really want to be a quality aas source just save up some money and go to a sponsor board, they will vet you a little but if you have the money you will most likely get in.

s-f- $1000 lifetime (throw an auction occasionally)
asf- $1500 every three months
brotherhoodofpain- $1000 every 3 months

go to review boards
eroids- top 10 domestic pay $50 each month
muscle gurus- free but not much traffic

there are a few others also but those are the main ones to concentrate on, it's also best you have a website. Without one you can get on alot of boards but with one you can get on any board.

Don't waste your time here, if your going to go the free ug board route go to evo, it's tough but they can be won over if you do a good job, they are fair and don't expect you to be a fantasy.

There is not a member of this or any other board that can get domestic mass specs but somehow they expect domestic sources to provide them, it's more than unrealistic. This particular part of the current meso cancer is a symptom of a truly brilliant scammer named angus who was around for about 2 years providing fake mass specs giving people the illusion that this was a ready impossibility. Even though the one and only place where members have ever gotten mass specs has proven to be a complete scam they still expect it to happen somehow. As an example of how hypocritical some boards can be these mass specs were used as proof that several aas products last year were bunk or underdosed, the sources got ripped apart and ran off. The specs were later proven to be a scam but members still call these products bunk in retrospect while at the same time calling these mass specs bunk. It's a really gonzo illogical logic vortex that people are stuck in and it's endlessly interesting to me. So sponsor boards, review boards and ug boards with moderators may not be perfect but they do prevent these sorts of lapses in logic.

Remember after all it's just a bunch of kids who were never going to buy anything anyway messing with you because in real life they ain't much at all. I often imagine That they come here to vent because their mom is on their case and they are mad that the new ninja turtle cartoon got cancelled too early or that their moms health insurance wouldn't pay for the glow in the dark braces that they really really really wanted so they just come here to put you down instead of doing the logical thing and just ignoring you while your thread dies!!!
 
Also I will consider placing an order for a vial of test prop, but I need 3 things from you.

Pics of your sterile brewing facility
pics of your flow hood
mass spec on your test prop
and a picture of a leprachaun making love to a unicorn with 24 k pharma tattooed on it's back (either the leprachaun or unicorn can have the tattoo, I'm not as picky as an esteemed wkm)
 
There is not a member of this or any other board that can get domestic mass specs but somehow they expect domestic sources to provide them, it's more than unrealistic.

Clam, why don't you go fuck off to another board because I'm getting sick of you flapping that gonorrhea infected cock garage in your fat fucking face about things you know jack shit about, every time you score a couple of hits of meth.

"Not a member of this or any other board that can get domestic mass specs"? Who the fuck are you to say no one has access to mass specs? You don't have a fucking clue who has access to what - on Meso or any other forum.

I know you think you're some kind of half-assed comedian but no one finds your lame attempts at humor funny. You're a pathetic little wannabe that's never amounted to anything in life and you never will. You're not even a good troll. You're a fucking loser. Now do the world a favor and go pull the hammer back and splatter that pea brain all over your mother's basement. I promise she'll be glad to finally be rid of you.
 
I cannot guarantee you that I will provide the best quality product


True Statement. Yet you charge premium prices?? So WE should pay higher prices for an untested and unproven products because you can feel it does what it supposed to do???

You are quite the business man... Very shrewd... (As sarcasm oozes from my pores)
 
I understand where you are coming from with the accurate labeling. Unfortunately, even if I were able to prove 100% purity on my raws, there is still no way for me to prove every product going out was dosed exactly as the label says. For example, I could purposely underdose batches but have legitimate powder. Or I could send correctly dosed batches for testing but still underdose batches I sell to customers. Or I could sell correctly dosed batches for a few months before changing to underdosed batches. In the end there is no way for me to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what my label says matches what the contents are. Unfortunately, that is the nature of illegal, unregulated substance. i am sorry, but I do not know how I can rectify this concern.

You are probably the 3rd source that tried to set up shop here who gave members this absolute garbage excuse when they got called out for not wanting to pursue MS/HPLC.

They all said the exact same line 'it would mean nothing coming from me/the source'.

QA isn't supposed to be used as a selling point or an attempt to drum up sales or interest. If you want to make sure your products are good BEFORE it gets into your customers hand, you have no other choice but to test finished products to verify concentration data or obtain purity data on raw materials.

Why even put a dosage per ml on your products labels? You claim your test c is 250mg/ml. In that case please post the HPLC confirming that it is actually that concentration.

Members should encourage EVERY source to post HPLC/MS.

But if you read around, you will find that members generally do the exact opposite for the most part - they are the ones telling sources NOT to post HPLC/MS because "it would mean nothing coming from the source". It's usually the members making all of these argument against sources posting HPLC/MS results.

It's a terrible approach. It discourages the sharing of valuable information. It gives sources an easy way out when it comes to analytical testing of its products.

The sources don't feel they need to do it. And it shouldn't come as a surprise because that is what they are being told.
 
Here is the thing man, you won't ever get mass specs, nobody does. No legitimate facility is going to help us test the quality of our drugs so you might as well not waste your time with those fantasies. If you really want to be a quality aas source just save up some money and go to a sponsor board, they will vet you a little but if you have the money you will most likely get in.

s-f- $1000 lifetime (throw an auction occasionally)
asf- $1500 every three months
brotherhoodofpain- $1000 every 3 months

go to review boards
eroids- top 10 domestic pay $50 each month
muscle gurus- free but not much traffic

there are a few others also but those are the main ones to concentrate on, it's also best you have a website. Without one you can get on alot of boards but with one you can get on any board.

Don't waste your time here, if your going to go the free ug board route go to evo, it's tough but they can be won over if you do a good job, they are fair and don't expect you to be a fantasy.

There is not a member of this or any other board that can get domestic mass specs but somehow they expect domestic sources to provide them, it's more than unrealistic. This particular part of the current meso cancer is a symptom of a truly brilliant scammer named angus who was around for about 2 years providing fake mass specs giving people the illusion that this was a ready impossibility. Even though the one and only place where members have ever gotten mass specs has proven to be a complete scam they still expect it to happen somehow. As an example of how hypocritical some boards can be these mass specs were used as proof that several aas products last year were bunk or underdosed, the sources got ripped apart and ran off. The specs were later proven to be a scam but members still call these products bunk in retrospect while at the same time calling these mass specs bunk. It's a really gonzo illogical logic vortex that people are stuck in and it's endlessly interesting to me. So sponsor boards, review boards and ug boards with moderators may not be perfect but they do prevent these sorts of lapses in logic.

Remember after all it's just a bunch of kids who were never going to buy anything anyway messing with you because in real life they ain't much at all. I often imagine That they come here to vent because their mom is on their case and they are mad that the new ninja turtle cartoon got cancelled too early or that their moms health insurance wouldn't pay for the glow in the dark braces that they really really really wanted so they just come here to put you down instead of doing the logical thing and just ignoring you while your thread dies!!!

Thanks for your input, you do make several good points. I do not feel comfortable going to sponsored board because the politics behind seem dishonest to me. I have no intentions of paying to get customers or attention. My goal is for customer service and product speak for itself. I am also uncomfortable with making a site, as that exposes me too much. Keeping to forums I can keep a relatively lower profile.

While I recognize there are members here who don't believe and no longer buy from UGL's, I believe there are members, especially new ones, who are looking for a source. I just hope to be another option to them and being here I can answer any questions and provide more accountability. Hope that makes sense.
 
Clam, why don't you go fuck off to another board because I'm getting sick of you flapping that gonorrhea infected cock garage in your fat fucking face about things you know jack shit about, every time you score a couple of hits of meth.

"Not a member of this or any other board that can get domestic mass specs"? Who the fuck are you to say no one has access to mass specs? You don't have a fucking clue who has access to what - on Meso or any other forum.

I know you think you're some kind of half-assed comedian but no one finds your lame attempts at humor funny. You're a pathetic little wannabe that's never amounted to anything in life and you never will. You're not even a good troll. You're a fucking loser. Now do the world a favor and go pull the hammer back and splatter that pea brain all over your mother's basement. I promise she'll be glad to finally be rid of you.

While I recognize there are some parts of user Clamz's post that are insults and jabs at the community, I think we should strive to use logic and reasoning in our discussions. Let's try to keep emotions and insults directed at specific people at a minimum.

I do not intend to take sides with this next statement. If person A is claiming "X does not exist" and Person B claims that "X does exist", I believe it is the responsibility of person B to prove that "X does exist". For example, if person A says "the tooth fairy does not exist" and person B says "the tooth fairy does exist". It is on person B to provide that the tooth fairy does, in fact, exist. I think it is default that something is untrue until proven otherwise. So in relationship to this discussion, one users is claiming MS are not possible to obtain while another user is claiming they are. Rather than throwing insults around, I think it would be more beneficial to moving this conversation further if person B proves that their claim is true with logical points of contention. Hope this makes sense. Thanks for reading.
 
True Statement. Yet you charge premium prices?? So WE should pay higher prices for an untested and unproven products because you can feel it does what it supposed to do???

You are quite the business man... Very shrewd... (As sarcasm oozes from my pores)

I understand your point of view. However, my argument is that I am not forcing any member to purchase product. Only those who feel that the price is fair will purchase from me. Unfortunately, in an unregulated illegal market there are few official organizations that can control the pricing and quality of product being sold. I believe it is part of the nature of illegal products- you must take the good with the bad. Yes, you do get access to products that would otherwise be supposedly unobtainable due to legal reasons but on the same front you must accept the implications that it brings.
 
Essentially HPLC/MS should be for your own benefit. Just like we want to get what we pay for, you should want to get what you pay for. As you start ordering larger amounts of raws, it should be in your interest to get them tested to make sure you aren't getting screwed. You send out a couple hundred vials with made with bad raws, its going to reflect poorly on you to the point you might not recover.

It's really up to you to find that connection and figure out when it's cost effective for you. We'd like to see the results.

Also don't get a website. I don't trust that a source of your size will be able to do it securely. Stick to email with PGP encryption.
 
Members should encourage EVERY source to post HPLC/MS.

But if you read around, you will find that members generally do the exact opposite for the most part - they are the ones telling sources NOT to post HPLC/MS because "it would mean nothing coming from the source". It's usually the members making all of these argument against sources posting HPLC/MS results.

It's a terrible approach. It discourages the sharing of valuable information. It gives sources an easy way out when it comes to analytical testing of its products.

The sources don't feel they need to do it. And it shouldn't come as a surprise because that is what they are being told.

Thanks for your input. I think you make a very valid point with your last statement. I think there are two parties here involved (suppliers and buyers). Both parties should be involved in the testing and accountability of products. Supplies should do their best to test their products and buyers should do their best to test the product they receive. I am still trying to navigate this community but you do point out a contradictory phenomenon that occurs on this community. I am in complete agreence that the sharing of information is valuable. I have tried to be as open and transparent as possible, as well as conforming to the request of community members. I am trying to do the best I can. If the best I can do is not adequate, then I can completely understand. However, it is a bit unfair to ask for me to do more than the best I can do. Thanks again for reading and your input.
 
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