Thanks for your input. I am in agreence with the points you have made. I will continue to keep my eyes open for a MS/HPLC source. My problem is finding a reliable and honest source for testing. I am positive there will be a fee associated with such testing and just like how I would like to avoid being burned from buying bad raws, I would like to avoid being burned from fake MS sources. The point brought up earlier by another user about "Angus" testing, supports the assertion that there are dishonest MS sources out there. Being too eager to jump onto any MS source is a surefire way to get scammed. As a result, I will need time to even have a chance of finding a legitimate MS source.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
24k Pharma US Domestic Source
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Thanks for your input. I am in agreence with the points you have made. I will continue to keep my eyes open for a MS/HPLC source. My problem is finding a reliable and honest source for testing. I am positive there will be a fee associated with such testing and just like how I would like to avoid being burned from buying bad raws, I would like to avoid being burned from fake MS sources. The point brought up earlier by another user about "Angus" testing, supports the assertion that there are dishonest MS sources out there. Being too eager to jump onto any MS source is a surefire way to get scammed. As a result, I will need time to even have a chance of finding a legitimate MS source.
Voltrader
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Exactly.... same as it is being to eager to jump on a MS source it's the same thing here for a source. I give you credit you are trying but it is simple for the past year all we have asked for is quality assurance. This can only happen from a source if they are rigorously testing their raws not for our sake but for the guy brewing sake. Source Utopia I guess. It is easy if I were to open a UGL I do my homework and see what is the number one concern of potential clientele. Then I would zero in on that. If ONE SOURCE came in here and took the time to get their raws verified and ducks in a row there would be very little to talk about. We aren't looking for the same old thing 24k we want someone who can change the game. Do one thing that NO OTHER STARTUP is doing CONFIRMING THEIR RAW SOURCE. Why do we have to verify this for you. UNfortunately for you ....you have the same raw hook up as anyone else and you have no way to differentiate yourself from the rest. You are better off at a board that this is acceptable because here it is not.
AchieveGreatness
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Astros been missing how do we know this isn't his startup again and just a different approach as everyone called him out for being a dickhead douche, this here is the complete opposite. He had no ways of MS either correct me if I'm wrong..24k you read a lot from what I see, the volume of consumers would overwhelm a kitchen setup. IF your products test fine IF, I assure you the ammount of things coming your way will be out of your control.
Thanks for your input. I am 100% aware of the frustration the community has had with quality assurance and quality control. But I would just like to bring up a few counterpoints. The first is that even if I were to bring MS/HPLC/NMR, labmax, reviews from other boards, it seems that there is still a vetting process that a source has to go through from the members of this community. This means reviews and testing from the community itself. From what I have seen in other threads and the general feeling of the community members here, even if a source were to provide everything asked for there would still be "things to talk about". I understand that, there is a process that sources must go through and members are striving to keep their community safe from scammers and bunk gear.
I am no way saying that I am able to distinguish myself from others. In fact, I would even say I have much less manpower, resources, and capital than most other sources. However, one aspect I feel that I do bring to the table is honestly, transparency, and respect. I have nothing against any other sources here, nor do I mean any animosity when I say this, but it seems that some sources here do not treat the community or it's customers with the respect they deserve. Answering criticism, and even anger, is just part of customer service that any seller of a product must deal with. It's not professional to react in an aggressive or hostile way towards your customer base. I have tried my best to act and react as respectful as possible to all comments.
Furthermore, and I don't mean any disrespect by saying this, I believe one of the users here brought up a contentious point about "searching for unicorns". Since we are dealing with illegal products, companies like Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Novartis, etc are not producing and quality checking illegal products. I dare say that it might be a possibility that the community is simply expecting too much without a chance for a source to prove itself. This in industry both the consumers and the suppliers have to take risks. Suppliers have to take risks with their raws source, producing, and selling. Consumers have to take risk by buying what could be poor quality product. Yes it is up to the supplier to reduce risk as much as possible, but to ask the supplier to completely remove all risk with quality of product is unreasonble. Sometimes in the illegal trade, the consumer needs to take a leap of faith, otherwise there would never be any reviews for new sources.
Thanks for your feedback. I do have some processes in place if volume starts getting to heavy. One aspect about my business model I have been transparent about from the beginning is that I am interested in bulk sales. This means limiting purchases to minimum vial or dollar amounts. This will help cut down on small orders and reduce the number of customers I will be dealing with. While I absolutely appreciate all business, but ultimate goal one day is to deal with bulk sales only. Furthermore, I do plan to limit sales if volume gets heavy. I do not intend to take more orders than what I can handle. Being too greedy will eventually adversely affect customer service and quality control.
I completely disagree with this. Brewing is pathetically easy for individuals to learn. The ONLY useful service UGLs provide is risk reduction. In that respect they have all been a miserable failure, offering only the illusion of safety. You are effectively removing that illusion without increasing safety in the slightest. Good luck with that.
I absolutely agree brewing is easy. However, I have to add there is more than just risk reduction that UGL's provide. There is also the time factor and initial capital costs. But even that can be minimal if an individual does not intend to make huge batches. There is also more than just the risk of quality of product. There is also the reduced risk of ordering overseas as domestic shipping is much safer. Futhermore, there is less risk in getting caught owning a few vials versus having powders and brewing equipment. But to be completely honest these are also relatively comparative risk factors, I just wanted to mention them to assert that there are more factors at play.
I understand that this community calls for quality control, but there must be some balance. As I have mentioned, there are no companies like Pfizer producing tren A or mast P. There is absolutely no way you can expect the same level of quality control that goes into making Bayer Test C as Tren A. I understand that quality control is ultimately not judged by me but by the board, but there needs to be some fairness. In the end, this is an illegal industry there can only be so much done in an illegal industry. Even well established "pharma" companies like Alpha Pharma are still criticized for their product. I just ask for some fairness when making judgement about quality control. I have been very realistic and transparent with my processes and product, I just ask the community for the same.
Not too worried about your production quality control. It should exceed Pfizer's standards by a good bit. If you have half the floaters they consider acceptable, you won't last long.
By safety, I meant getting a properly dosed product rather than underdosed, bunk or worse. At least you are honest about the level of testing you can provide. Maybe you can improve on that in the future. Your supplier's products, at least the ones you listed, will be tested soon.
By safety, I meant getting a properly dosed product rather than underdosed, bunk or worse. At least you are honest about the level of testing you can provide. Maybe you can improve on that in the future. Your supplier's products, at least the ones you listed, will be tested soon.
boston597
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[emoji383]exactly Thank you GB that's what I was saying in an earlier post but you know my vocabulary and temper does not permit me to post like that
Thanks for your continual involvement in this thread. I will try my best to seek out testing methods. On that same note, I would appreciate if I got some feedback on the labmaxes posted. It is my first time using labmaxes and I have looked into a few other postings but I would still appreciate some feedback on the ones I posted. Thanks.
The LM results you posted all passed IMO. As I have said before it is a sanity check for members, but not all that useful to sources. It IS good that you are posting them, though. It gives people a comparison for their own tests.
Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I completely understand the limited usefulness to other members. But it is definitely useful to me because I inject my own product, so at least I know what I'm getting is not complete bunk. Furthermore, because I don't have much experience with labmax myself, I appreciate the feedback from the community.
The test C/E looked a bit unclear, but when I redid using powder test E it looked way better. I'm not sure why but I think partly because I added too much oil in my initial tests. For the tren a, I was pretty confident after looking at vial B under UV fora few seconds because it looked exactly like the other tests I have seen around.
Thanks again your input, I appreciate it.
The raws will usually give MUCH brighter UV results than the oils.
And tren a/e will give bright UV results even when very under dosed. This one turned out to be underdosed at 75mg/ml instead of the claimed 200mg/ml
And tren a/e will give bright UV results even when very under dosed. This one turned out to be underdosed at 75mg/ml instead of the claimed 200mg/ml
The raws will usually give MUCH brighter UV results than the oils.
And tren a/e will give bright UV results even when very under dosed. This one turned out to be underdosed at 75mg/ml instead of the claimed 200mg/ml
Ah, thanks for the insight. How did the community figure out it was underdosed at 75mg/mL instead of the claimed 200?
It would be great is tren blood test results could be used as a rough gauge of dosing, but I don't believe we have enough data to confidently do so.
It was tested in a lab, HPLC.
Do you mind sharing the link or the results? Thanks.
Great info, I really appreciate it. Will strive to do the best I can with quality control.
Just wanted to mention that I do offer 100% store credit reimbursement on any tests done . I am also willing to do refunds for unsatisfactory tests taken, payable only through Bitcoin.
Thanks again for your feedback.
Of course you're not forcing anyone to buy anything, but you are depending on the fact that people will be so desperate for a new source that they throw caution to the wind and will spend hard earned money on a untested and unproven product that they will ultimately inject into their body..... And a $$$ premium no less!!!
You keep on saying that you understand you need to prove yourself over time with any testing or bloodwork, yet you don't feel humbled enough to price your goods as an unproven entity should. Now I'm not saying one should sacrifice quality for lower cost gear, but when you have literally zero QA in place and not one piece of evidence, other than wanting to fuck your girl, that your gear is gtg, I find it greedy and insulting as fuck that you charge the prices you do. On the otherhand, I'm happy you do, because it could dissuede some newb from sticking God knows what in his body. I'm also not saying that want you sell is bunk, all I'm saying is that we don't know anything at all... Labmax is fine for some, but as stated a million times, all it tests for is detection of hormone. I'm sorry but there's a big difference between 250mgs a week and a gram, but you couldn't tell the difference in actual dosing with a labmax....
Hey, thanks for your input. Unfortunately, I cannot change my original post. If I could I would delete the pricelist and contact information, I would. My intention is not to sell here anymore but to gain insight into better business practices and feedback from the community. I would even offer to delete this thread, but it contains a lot of valuable information and feedback that other members may benefit from reading.
For the pricing concern you have raised, I unfortunately have no justification other than it is my decision. I do not mean to come off as disrespectful or too harsh, but the truth is that this is my business and my product- as a result, I am able to price it anyway I want to. I apologize if you find it greedy and insulting, but I will not be changing the prices.
The labmax results were posted because countless members have asked for that as a minimum. In my labmax results post, I made no mention to concentration and even with the tren a bloods from a customer I also stated it bares no relationship to concentration/dosage. If you are pointing out that labmax cannot tell the dosage, I completely agree. If you are saying that my labmax post was "useless" or "insulting", then I would have to raise an issue. It is the members of this community that have called upon me to post the labmax results. I do not think it is off base for me to find it unfair that I get criticized for doing exactly what the community has told me to do.
Thanks for reading.
