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[johnnyBALLZ]

Hey guys, while I appreciate the involvement in this thread, I would ask to take the arguments and bickering elsewhere. If a new member were to read through this thread, it would not be helpful for them to see bickering among members of the community. As long as we're discussing the topic on hand with logic and reason rather than emotion, I am happy for open engagement. However, I just ask personal feuds be taken away from this context. Let's try to stick to reason and logic based explanations and discussions rather than those backed by emotions.

How about shut the fuck up you pretentious prick..

 

[24kpharma]

How about shut the fuck up you pretentious prick..

My apologies, but how have I been a "pretentious prick". I've tried my best to treat members with respect thus far.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

My apologies, but how have I been a "pretentious prick". I've tried my best to treat members with respect thus far.

After your whopping 2 weeks here who in the freaking world are you to be asking(telling) people how to act in this thread? This happens all over in all types of threads, you think this bullshit thread is above it?

Spend your time figuring out how to properly test your dog shit gear instead of preaching here, asshole.

 

[24kpharma]

After your whopping 2 weeks here who in the freaking world are you to be asking(telling) people how to act in this thread? This happens all over in all types of threads, you think this bullshit thread is above it?

Spend your time figuring out how to properly test your dog shit gear instead of preaching here, asshole.

I have done the best I can of what has been asked of me. I have just asked for some flexibility and time as I try to find more testing methods. I have not pushed sales at all throughout this thread. I just ask you for an ounce of respect and civility when commenting and responding. I anticipate that a counter would be I do not deserve any respect and that is should be earned. But my argument is that I've shown a degree of professionalism, civility, and respect throughout this entire conservation. I just ask for the same.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I have done the best I can of what has been asked of me. I have just asked for some flexibility and time as I try to find more testing methods. I have not pushed sales at all throughout this thread. I just ask you for an ounce of respect and civility when commenting and responding. I anticipate that a counter would be I do not deserve any respect and that is should be earned. But my argument is that I've shown a degree of professionalism, civility, and respect throughout this entire conservation. I just ask for the same.

Stay off your high horse then.. You're not fooling most with this "professional" act by the way.. From what I've seen in this thread you're far from it and have no idea what you're doing. Fake it til you make it!! Right?

 

[24kpharma]

Stay off your high horse then.. You're not fooling most with this "professional" act by the way.. From what I've seen in this thread you're far from it and have no idea what you're doing. Fake it til you make it!! Right?

Hey, I apologize if I am coming off as pretentious. I will admit that this is not the way I usually communicate. But I would rather be overly polite than arrogant or disrespectful. In a sense, it is an "act" but it is done with good intentions. I don't wish to cause any trouble or drama. I am aware that there is currently a disdain for UGL's so I am trying my best to tread carefully.

 

[Gearline]

That is what I would expect from someone like you exactly. You can't prove me wrong or you right in any way, not one link or piece of evidence exists to back your statement about me or the mass spec debate just pure conjecture. I can't possibly take your insults seriously because this is an internet forum, the one that is seen as a joke by consensus by every other which is quite an accomplishment cause we agree on nothing. It's that way largely because of you, jb, big ben and the perpetually rape obsessed brutus. Even the parts of this place and the people in it that were once respected as beacons of truth have become parody's of itself because of you and like 6 other guys, I never fucked up anything that bad in my life and that means i have more evidence that you are a born loser and degenerate than any assumptions you can make on my real life from this parody handle Ive molded to match the meso parody.

What proof is there, what do you got, Dr jim? good luck getting anybody other than a few guys on meso to eat that guys shit. Hes the one eyed man in the land of the blind, he can construct great sentences, and create some great forgeries that nobody understands so you eat it. He lost all credibility everywhere else in that thread where he argued with the eroids mod and the guy proved him to be completely full of shit and willing to lie over meaningless nonsense. His ms are worth no more and no more well constructed than ashops. "Dr" jims are believed here and ashops on boards they sponsor. I"m hoping for another tantrum now because you damn sure can't prove anything, calling me a troll is crazy considering I can probably wave my dick in any direction on this forum and find half a dozen troll posts from you but it's different in that your trolling and harrassment is accepted, as brutus's threats of rape and violence are accepted while mine would be bannable immediately i suspect.

Shocked that others agree with me see you are a tool.... Awwww
Lol I leave for a couple days and the asshole avengers are making friends how does this not suprise me...

 

[Gearline]

How about shut the fuck up you pretentious prick..

Shocking now your motherfucking another source wow one thread to the next same tools...

 

[Gearline]

Hey, I apologize if I am coming off as pretentious. I will admit that this is not the way I usually communicate. But I would rather be overly polite than arrogant or disrespectful. In a sense, it is an "act" but it is done with good intentions. I don't wish to cause any trouble or drama. I am aware that there is currently a disdain for UGL's so I am trying my best to tread carefully.

Don't apologize.. They would know normal people if they saw them . .
See boys maybe its not just me its you look in the mirror denial is not good...

 

[24kpharma]

Shocking now your motherfucking another source wow one thread to the next same tools...

Hey, maybe I am misinterpreting the recent stickied thread, but I understood it as a call to reduce the attacks on new sources?

 

[Gearline]

Hey, maybe I am misinterpreting the recent stickied thread, but I understood it as a call to reduce the attacks on new sources?

You kidding me these guys are strokes they would ass pound their own mother on this board to seem tough and cool. Save your self time and business focus elsewhere they have there own agenda..

 

[24kpharma]

You kidding me these guys are strokes they would ass pound their own mother on this board to seem tough and cool. Save your self time and business focus elsewhere they have there own agenda..

Hey, I understand your frustration, as I am experiencing the same "vetting" process as you have. But why give up? Sometimes if you're in someone's house you have to follow their rules. The only deterrent I have seen so far is some grey area sales inquiries. I am confident that not every member is like that however, I think there are some honest and well-meaning people here. It may be that they are afraid to post due to the backlash they may receive from "supporting" a new source. Any thoughts?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Hey, I understand your frustration, as I am experiencing the same "vetting" process as you have. But why give up?

GL/Shamrock already went through the "vetting process" and failed when he knowingly sold bunk, counterfeit gear. Not to mention his lies. The icing on the cake was when he had a meltdown and went full-on looney toon. So it's not a question of him giving up or not - he's done. The clown needs a long stay with the rest of the droolers in the banana room.

Sometimes if you're in someone's house you have to follow their rules. The only deterrent I have seen so far is some grey area sales inquiries. I am confident that not every member is like that however, I think there are some honest and well-meaning people here. It may be that they are afraid to post due to the backlash they may receive from "supporting" a new source. Any thoughts?

The members that are giving you a hard time ARE the "honest and well-meaning" members. They are treating you the way they are because history has proven time and again that new sources are extremely high risk. You don't like it because you're the one under suspicion right now.

 

[24kpharma]

GL/Shamrock already went through the "vetting process" and failed when he knowingly sold bunk, counterfeit gear. Not to mention his lies. The icing on the cake was when he had a meltdown and went full-on looney toon. So it's not a question of him giving up or not - he's done. The clown needs a long stay with the rest of the droolers in the banana room.



The members that are giving you a hard time ARE the "honest and well-meaning" members. They are treating you the way they are because history has proven time and again that new sources are extremely high risk. You don't like it because you're the one under suspicion right now.

Thanks for your insight. I do appreciate and enjoy the feedback and discussion. What I am less fond of is name calling, emotion driven arguments, and hostility. I don't mean that in an offensive way community members. I just think it doesn't move the conservation in a forward direction. I appreciate it when members give me insight into the community, testing practices, history of sources, etc and bring logical arguments to the table. I think those are all things which benefit myself as well those members of the community that are reading. The community should be rightly so suspicious of me. However, to question my character, when I have tried to do my best with transparency and honesty, is a bit unfair. I'm not asking for sales, or approval, or reviews, all I am asking is an open, honest, and respectable conservation with the members of this community.

 

[weighted chinup]

I'm not asking for sales, or approval, or reviews, all I am asking is an open, honest, and respectable conservation with the members of this community.

What exactly are you hoping to get out of this conversation? Where do you want it to end up? If its not to eventually procure sales or open up shop, what is it?

Are you trying to rationalize your lack of testing? If not, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

You need concentration data on your products. You aren't getting anything out of this beyond that, and I don't see what anyone else is getting out of this.

You've had all the feedback you already need, what else do you want? Everyone already told you how foolish it is to sell drugs claiming a labeled dosage when you can't verify that dosage as being accurate.

Are you just hoping all the smooth talk will eventually take the focus off the real issue, your lack of testing? Are you hoping this conversation will eventually lead to you procuring sales absent of any substantial testing?

Lets be honest, if you really cared about selling a decent product, you would say 'thanks for all the feedback, I won't be sourcing until I can find reliable testing'. You may have expressed that at some point in this conversation, but you wouldn't still be actively defending and rationalizing your sourcing if you weren't hoping it would end up with you getting what you were here for in the first place.

 

[dper726]

I haven't read your thread but if there is anything I can advise is meso is not a source board therefore it offers no protection to you or you business. Now with that said. If you wish to stick around here you'll need to simply be required to meet members demands. Simply because members here enforce the rules. It's for the greater good of the consumers as demands should not be difficult to obtain considering they are steered towards quality assurance.

There are no promises here as everything needs to be provided on concrete. Remember things are learned from experience and you certainly are not the first one so everything you have done has only been reinvented a previous 100 times. This journey can be rewarding. But if you decide to skip a beat it will sure enough crumble your enterprise. Because remember you have not one or two eyes solely on you. You have hundreds watching every possible angle from you. We even have our own assembly of specialist in evaluating your tone of voice to your selection of words. It's no different then the real world here. How you come is how you are perceived.

We are the customer you are the provider. You depend on us and we don't depend on you.

Goodluck.

 

[24kpharma]

What exactly are you hoping to get out of this conversation? Where do you want it to end up? If its not to eventually procure sales or open up shop, what is it?

Are you trying to rationalize your lack of testing? If not, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

You need concentration data on your products. You aren't getting anything out of this beyond that, and I don't see what anyone else is getting out of this.

You've had all the feedback you already need, what else do you want? Everyone already told you how foolish it is to sell drugs claiming a labeled dosage when you can't verify that dosage as being accurate.

Are you just hoping all the smooth talk will eventually take the focus off the real issue, your lack of testing? Are you hoping this conversation will eventually lead to you procuring sales absent of any substantial testing?

Lets be honest, if you really cared about selling a decent product, you would say 'thanks for all the feedback, I won't be sourcing until I can find reliable testing'. You may have expressed that at some point in this conversation, but you wouldn't still be actively defending and rationalizing your sourcing if you weren't hoping it would end up with you getting what you were here for in the first place.

Hey, I appreciate the feedback and you make valid points. I made a post few pages back stating that if I could delete the pricelist, T/A, and sales contact info I would. Unfortunately, I can't . I also said that I would be willing to have the thread deleted too but the issue with that is that members and myself lose some value discussions and feedback. I have stated a few times that sales are not my goal right now and that discussions are. I would have loved some feedback on my labmaxes and how to better analyze them. However I only got feedback from one member.

A few weeks back after my initial introduction, after answering all questions and comments, I completely dropped this thread and did not do any bumping. If someone asked a question I would respond. I stayed around however and did some lurking. As soon as I got my labmaxes, I posted the results, as community members have asked. Now I am back to where I was before, answering all questions and responding to comments. I do not want to make it seem like I am disappearing. If someone has an issue or an concern, I feel like I should do my best to address it.

 

[24kpharma]

I haven't read your thread but if there is anything I can advise is meso is not a source board therefore it offers no protection to you or you business. Now with that said. If you wish to stick around here you'll need to simply be required to meet members demands. Simply because members here enforce the rules. It's for the greater good of the consumers as demands should not be difficult to obtain considering they are steered towards quality assurance.

There are no promises here as everything needs to be provided on concrete. Remember things are learned from experience and you certainly are not the first one so everything you have done has only been reinvented a previous 100 times. This journey can be rewarding. But if you decide to skip a beat it will sure enough crumble your enterprise. Because remember you have not one or two eyes solely on you. You have hundreds watching every possible angle from you. We even have our own assembly of specialist in evaluating your tone of voice to your selection of words. It's no different then the real world here. How you come is how you are perceived.

We are the customer you are the provider. You depend on us and we don't depend on you.

Goodluck.

Thanks for your feedback, I have done my best to comply to the community standards and requests. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

 

[Hillbilly111]

I think the consensus is that you need to work on getting MS tests lined up. Labmax does establish that there is hormone in the samples but the purity of the hormones and presence of heavy metals is the question. I understand it can be difficult to get a ms done but I think its your only chance of moving forward here.

 

[Gettinbigger76]

I appreciate the elaboration on your thoughts and ideas. This gives me a much better idea of where you are coming from. I also appreciate that you are not singling me out individually but are more or less attacking the revolving doors of UGL's that come and go without QA.

There is really nothing I can say or justify that I haven't already brought before. It takes time to even get an mass spec/HPLC source. I just need some time and patience. However, you must concede that there must be a line drawn. Even if I were to have a source of mass spec I cannot send over 10,50,100g, etc batches of every powder I receive to test their purity. That is the only way I will be able to confidently say what is on the label is what is in the bottle. I understand that the community wants QA, but there must be a level of fairness. As you admitted, you're not expecting pharma quality but the comments made by other members suggest otherwise. The contradictory nature of some of the community's opinions make it very hard for me to determine what requests to follow and what not to follow.

It seems your are genuinely making an effort receive the critisism gracefully, which will only benefit you. Having @Gearline highjack your thread will not, so be weary of that.

When I say I'm not expecting pharma quality, I'm speaking in terms of facility and process. Obviously, you can't be guaranteed 99% purity as a UGL, but proper dosing labels are plenty doable. If it's Test E 183mgs in reality than that's what it should say. Not 250. You're asking for time to build up credibility and find a mass spec source, but that's a lot of trial and error at our expense. You're trying to differentiate yourself from the rest of the UGL's by the way you're responding to the verbal attacks, which is fine (and smarter than most), but more importantly, what really would have seperated you from the pack, wouldve been being much more prepared. Instead of asking us to wing and prayer it based off you're good intentions, you would've come correct with a proven quality product. Would the tests have been scrutinized?? Yes. If the tests were legit would you ultimately be proven GTG?? Definitely