24k Pharma US Domestic Source

[Gettinbigger76]

Hey, thanks for your input. Unfortunately, I cannot change my original post. If I could I would delete the pricelist and contact information, I would. My intention is not to sell here anymore but to gain insight into better business practices and feedback from the community. I would even offer to delete this thread, but it contains a lot of valuable information and feedback that other members may benefit from reading.

For the pricing concern you have raised, I unfortunately have no justification other than it is my decision. I do not mean to come off as disrespectful or too harsh, but the truth is that this is my business and my product- as a result, I am able to price it anyway I want to. I apologize if you find it greedy and insulting, but I will not be changing the prices.

The labmax results were posted because countless members have asked for that as a minimum. In my labmax results post, I made no mention to concentration and even with the tren a bloods from a customer I also stated it bares no relationship to concentration/dosage. If you are pointing out that labmax cannot tell the dosage, I completely agree. If you are saying that my labmax post was "useless" or "insulting", then I would have to raise an issue. It is the members of this community that have called upon me to post the labmax results. I do not think it is off base for me to find it unfair that I get criticized for doing exactly what the community has told me to do.

Thanks for reading.

I don't find your labmax postings insulting, I just think that labmaxs' are a bare minimum. And a bare minimum is something that should be utilized by the consumer, not manufacturer. A true MS report would obviously be used as a sales tool, but more importantly you would actually know what YOU were paying for and selling as well. Even if it got scruritized by the members because you provided it, YOU would know the validity and YOU would be proven right by bloods. Wouldn't you agree that being off by 50-100mgs per shot would yield differing results?? And please don't ask me for a mass spec source as you guys often do.. It's not the consumers job to QA your profit. I understand you're trying to be as transparent as possible and it's also very possible that your gear is just as good or bad as many already selling here, I just think that the bar has gotten too low with what we're willing to accept and youre getting caught in the crossfire. Saying it's "ugl" isn't a good enough excuse. I'm not expecting Pharma quality, but let's get the fuckin number on the bottle correct for fucks sake!!!! It's not an attack on you, it's the whole fuckin lot... Pardon me, it's been a long day

 

[clamz]

Thanks for your input. I am in agreence with the points you have made. I will continue to keep my eyes open for a MS/HPLC source. My problem is finding a reliable and honest source for testing. I am positive there will be a fee associated with such testing and just like how I would like to avoid being burned from buying bad raws, I would like to avoid being burned from fake MS sources. The point brought up earlier by another user about "Angus" testing, supports the assertion that there are dishonest MS sources out there. Being too eager to jump onto any MS source is a surefire way to get scammed. As a result, I will need time to even have a chance of finding a legitimate MS source.

I will say since this is the demand here they should be able to give you at least one proven example where it was achieved. What source has ever had any let alone all of their raws ms tested? Name a facility who has identified concentration and purity to anything or everything a source has had to offer. If they can't do so then I don't understand how they can demand it. Demanding the improbable I can understand but the impossible is just something crazy. There are facilities all over the country with ms testing but nearly all of them test water and soil, very few test pharmaceuticals. There are also only a handfull of universites who do so because very few of these programs are needed, How many people in the country or world even need to know how to analyze pharmaceutical compounds.

The facilities who do are either mostly owned by pharm companies or the fda, there are few if any private labs who do this. People will disagree and say they went to a school with ms used this way but it will just be people arguing to argue not any who can prove it. If i'm wrong some of these guys should be able to post links to the company websites advertising their analytical services in some way.

Lastly it's logical to think that if they are out there that they would analyze your or any sources drugs for any amount of money. Just think what's to gain? if you send 15 samples it's $3750 at $250 each.

On the other hand if they accept and analyze your samples they become part of your conspiracy, just as guilty as you, your money receivers, shippers and brewers (any source i mean). May even be enough for a rico charge because it is organized crime after all. Do you think that they would have not put that together?
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so don't feel to bad about not achieving the impossible here, noone has done it before and noone ever will.

 

[clamz]

When i say name a source who has done it, i mean done it in a verifiable way, not like ashop and naps with their mystery tests that people just take their words for. I mean legit verifiable mass specs.

 

[24kpharma]

I don't find your labmax postings insulting, I just think that labmaxs' are a bare minimum. And a bare minimum is something that should be utilized by the consumer, not manufacturer. A true MS report would obviously be used as a sales tool, but more importantly you would actually know what YOU were paying for and selling as well. Even if it got scruritized by the members because you provided it, YOU would know the validity and YOU would be proven right by bloods. Wouldn't you agree that being off by 50-100mgs per shot would yield differing results?? And please don't ask me for a mass spec source as you guys often do.. It's not the consumers job to QA your profit. I understand you're trying to be as transparent as possible and it's also very possible that your gear is just as good or bad as many already selling here, I just think that the bar has gotten too low with what we're willing to accept and youre getting caught in the crossfire. Saying it's "ugl" isn't a good enough excuse. I'm not expecting Pharma quality, but let's get the fuckin number on the bottle correct for fucks sake!!!! It's not an attack on you, it's the whole fuckin lot... Pardon me, it's been a long day

I appreciate the elaboration on your thoughts and ideas. This gives me a much better idea of where you are coming from. I also appreciate that you are not singling me out individually but are more or less attacking the revolving doors of UGL's that come and go without QA.

There is really nothing I can say or justify that I haven't already brought before. It takes time to even get an mass spec/HPLC source. I just need some time and patience. However, you must concede that there must be a line drawn. Even if I were to have a source of mass spec I cannot send over 10,50,100g, etc batches of every powder I receive to test their purity. That is the only way I will be able to confidently say what is on the label is what is in the bottle. I understand that the community wants QA, but there must be a level of fairness. As you admitted, you're not expecting pharma quality but the comments made by other members suggest otherwise. The contradictory nature of some of the community's opinions make it very hard for me to determine what requests to follow and what not to follow.

 

[Gearline]

You wont last very long with meso avengers ... Bend over take it like a good boy maybe they'll order ..lol
They don't even know what they want pharma, labmax , mass spec.... Save yourself dome grief 24pharma leave its more hassle then it's worth ..

 

[24kpharma]

I will say since this is the demand here they should be able to give you at least one proven example where it was achieved. What source has ever had any let alone all of their raws ms tested? Name a facility who has identified concentration and purity to anything or everything a source has had to offer. If they can't do so then I don't understand how they can demand it. Demanding the improbable I can understand but the impossible is just something crazy. There are facilities all over the country with ms testing but nearly all of them test water and soil, very few test pharmaceuticals. There are also only a handfull of universites who do so because very few of these programs are needed, How many people in the country or world even need to know how to analyze pharmaceutical compounds.

The facilities who do are either mostly owned by pharm companies or the fda, there are few if any private labs who do this. People will disagree and say they went to a school with ms used this way but it will just be people arguing to argue not any who can prove it. If i'm wrong some of these guys should be able to post links to the company websites advertising their analytical services in some way.

Lastly it's logical to think that if they are out there that they would analyze your or any sources drugs for any amount of money. Just think what's to gain? if you send 15 samples it's $3750 at $250 each.

On the other hand if they accept and analyze your samples they become part of your conspiracy, just as guilty as you, your money receivers, shippers and brewers (any source i mean). May even be enough for a rico charge because it is organized crime after all. Do you think that they would have not put that together?
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so don't feel to bad about not achieving the impossible here, noone has done it before and noone ever will.

I appreciate your realistic take on the situation. I would have to agree on some points there. You make a great point about the improbable/hard to achieve but reasonable and the impossible. I do not have the access to a constant reliable source of MS/HPLC/NMR, a clean laboratory with autoclave, flow hood, 100% sterile environment, etc. Realistically, if I did have access to these resources I would charge much higher prices. And while some members should say they would gladly pay higher prices for product they know is 100% QA tested- there are many individuals who cannot afford it. So they will go to the cheaper sources who may not have QA but their products work well enough.

I appreciate your input and the realism that you bring to this thread. I am hesitant to attack any members here on the basis that I am not a member but a guest at this point.

 

[24kpharma]

You wont last very long with meso avengers ... Bend over take it like a good boy maybe they'll order ..lol

Hey, I believe you are another source here?

I do not expect to ask for any orders, I just ask for constructive feedback to help better my processes. However, I have been more than willing to attempt any reasonable request made by members here. I am only a guest here, so I will do what the host says. However, I cannot do the impossible nor can I do the contradictory.

Hope the best of luck to you and your endeavors.

 

[Voltrader]

I will say since this is the demand here they should be able to give you at least one proven example where it was achieved. What source has ever had any let alone all of their raws ms tested? Name a facility who has identified concentration and purity to anything or everything a source has had to offer. If they can't do so then I don't understand how they can demand it. Demanding the improbable I can understand but the impossible is just something crazy. There are facilities all over the country with ms testing but nearly all of them test water and soil, very few test pharmaceuticals. There are also only a handfull of universites who do so because very few of these programs are needed, How many people in the country or world even need to know how to analyze pharmaceutical compounds.

The facilities who do are either mostly owned by pharm companies or the fda, there are few if any private labs who do this. People will disagree and say they went to a school with ms used this way but it will just be people arguing to argue not any who can prove it. If i'm wrong some of these guys should be able to post links to the company websites advertising their analytical services in some way.

Lastly it's logical to think that if they are out there that they would analyze your or any sources drugs for any amount of money. Just think what's to gain? if you send 15 samples it's $3750 at $250 each.

On the other hand if they accept and analyze your samples they become part of your conspiracy, just as guilty as you, your money receivers, shippers and brewers (any source i mean). May even be enough for a rico charge because it is organized crime after all. Do you think that they would have not put that together?
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so don't feel to bad about not achieving the impossible here, noone has done it before and noone ever will.

Noone twice in the same paragraph. Thanks for the clarification.

Now just maybe since we are meso and demand something different from our members just maybe we could demand something different from our sources......yea that's such a far stretch.

 

[Skull]

Hey, I believe you are another source here?

I do not expect to ask for any orders, I just ask for constructive feedback to help better my processes. However, I have been more than willing to attempt any reasonable request made by members here. I am only a guest here, so I will do what the host says. However, I cannot do the impossible nor can I do the contradictory.

Hope the best of luck to you and your endeavors.

Well played on your part bro!!

 

[Gearline]

I have not seen one source survive here so save yourself the aggravation is all I'm saying. Even if you are legit a some point some one will scream scammer like they always do I have yet to see any source thread survive. Sorry its the way they operate here ...

 

[clamz]

Clam, why don't you go fuck off to another board because I'm getting sick of you flapping that gonorrhea infected cock garage in your fat fucking face about things you know jack shit about, every time you score a couple of hits of meth.

"Not a member of this or any other board that can get domestic mass specs"? Who the fuck are you to say no one has access to mass specs? You don't have a fucking clue who has access to what - on Meso or any other forum.

I know you think you're some kind of half-assed comedian but no one finds your lame attempts at humor funny. You're a pathetic little wannabe that's never amounted to anything in life and you never will. You're not even a good troll. You're a fucking loser. Now do the world a favor and go pull the hammer back and splatter that pea brain all over your mother's basement. I promise she'll be glad to finally be rid of you.

That is what I would expect from someone like you exactly. You can't prove me wrong or you right in any way, not one link or piece of evidence exists to back your statement about me or the mass spec debate just pure conjecture. I can't possibly take your insults seriously because this is an internet forum, the one that is seen as a joke by consensus by every other which is quite an accomplishment cause we agree on nothing. It's that way largely because of you, jb, big ben and the perpetually rape obsessed brutus. Even the parts of this place and the people in it that were once respected as beacons of truth have become parody's of itself because of you and like 6 other guys, I never fucked up anything that bad in my life and that means i have more evidence that you are a born loser and degenerate than any assumptions you can make on my real life from this parody handle Ive molded to match the meso parody.

What proof is there, what do you got, Dr jim? good luck getting anybody other than a few guys on meso to eat that guys shit. Hes the one eyed man in the land of the blind, he can construct great sentences, and create some great forgeries that nobody understands so you eat it. He lost all credibility everywhere else in that thread where he argued with the eroids mod and the guy proved him to be completely full of shit and willing to lie over meaningless nonsense. His ms are worth no more and no more well constructed than ashops. "Dr" jims are believed here and ashops on boards they sponsor. I"m hoping for another tantrum now because you damn sure can't prove anything, calling me a troll is crazy considering I can probably wave my dick in any direction on this forum and find half a dozen troll posts from you but it's different in that your trolling and harrassment is accepted, as brutus's threats of rape and violence are accepted while mine would be bannable immediately i suspect.

 

[Fckit]

That is what I would expect from someone like you exactly. You can't prove me wrong or you right in any way, not one link or piece of evidence exists to back your statement about me or the mass spec debate just pure conjecture. I can't possibly take your insults seriously because this is an internet forum, the one that is seen as a joke by consensus by every other which is quite an accomplishment cause we agree on nothing. It's that way largely because of you, jb, big ben and the perpetually rape obsessed brutus. Even the parts of this place and the people in it that were once respected as beacons of truth have become parody's of itself because of you and like 6 other guys, I never fucked up anything that bad in my life and that means i have more evidence that you are a born loser and degenerate than any assumptions you can make on my real life from this parody handle Ive molded to match the meso parody.

What proof is there, what do you got, Dr jim? good luck getting anybody other than a few guys on meso to eat that guys shit. Hes the one eyed man in the land of the blind, he can construct great sentences, and create some great forgeries that nobody understands so you eat it. He lost all credibility everywhere else in that thread where he argued with the eroids mod and the guy proved him to be completely full of shit and willing to lie over meaningless nonsense. His ms are worth no more and no more well constructed than ashops. "Dr" jims are believed here and ashops on boards they sponsor. I"m hoping for another tantrum now because you damn sure can't prove anything, calling me a troll is crazy considering I can probably wave my dick in any direction on this forum and find half a dozen troll posts from you but it's different in that your trolling and harrassment is accepted, as brutus's threats of rape and violence are accepted while mine would be bannable immediately i suspect.

I find it a little pathetic that you choose to continually 'participate' on a board that you despise and mock constantly. I would think such a successful, intelligent person would have better things to do with their time.

 

[Voltrader]

Come on clamz or should I say Scotty. Once again your weak attempts at taking Meso down have beenn exposed. Move on.

 

[24kpharma]

I have not seen one source survive here so save yourself the aggravation is all I'm saying. Even if you are legit a some point some one will scream scammer like they always do I have yet to see any source thread survive. Sorry its the way they operate here ...

I appreciate the advice! I think I will still try here a bit here. I don't like to give up but at the same time I will not be involved with grey area business. I do have processes in place to help protect against potential reverse scamming. I hope it is something I will never have to deal with though, I am hoping to only receive honest business. But at the same time, I am realistic.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

That is what I would expect from someone like you exactly. You can't prove me wrong or you right in any way, not one link or piece of evidence exists to back your statement about me or the mass spec debate just pure conjecture. I can't possibly take your insults seriously because this is an internet forum, the one that is seen as a joke by consensus by every other which is quite an accomplishment cause we agree on nothing. It's that way largely because of you, jb, big ben and the perpetually rape obsessed brutus. Even the parts of this place and the people in it that were once respected as beacons of truth have become parody's of itself because of you and like 6 other guys, I never fucked up anything that bad in my life and that means i have more evidence that you are a born loser and degenerate than any assumptions you can make on my real life from this parody handle Ive molded to match the meso parody.

What proof is there, what do you got, Dr jim? good luck getting anybody other than a few guys on meso to eat that guys shit. Hes the one eyed man in the land of the blind, he can construct great sentences, and create some great forgeries that nobody understands so you eat it. He lost all credibility everywhere else in that thread where he argued with the eroids mod and the guy proved him to be completely full of shit and willing to lie over meaningless nonsense. His ms are worth no more and no more well constructed than ashops. "Dr" jims are believed here and ashops on boards they sponsor. I"m hoping for another tantrum now because you damn sure can't prove anything, calling me a troll is crazy considering I can probably wave my dick in any direction on this forum and find half a dozen troll posts from you but it's different in that your trolling and harrassment is accepted, as brutus's threats of rape and violence are accepted while mine would be bannable immediately i suspect.

Do you even read the meth-feuled drivel you write? You say my critique of your posts is lacking evidence, and you accuse me of throwing a tantrum - both of which are the basis of every post you make.

I'm not willing to engage you in the kind of meaningful discussion where I would feel obligated to provide evidence to support my position because you don't matter to me. Your posts are meaningless, as are you. You're a troll, and not a very good one.

You talk about HPLC/MS as though you know something about them but it's obvious that you know nothing. You're posts prove that in spades. What you fail to comprehend is that some of us do understand them, and because we understand them, we can differentiate between a real and fake test because the difference is glaring.

But if you really want evidence that you're a troll, here it is: Nobody likes you here. We think you're a joke. Yet you keep coming back every time you smoke a bowl meth and post a bunch of shit that's designed to get a rise out of people. IOW, your behavior is that of a troll.

You're bitter because you were never accepted at Meso. Your first few posts here - the ones where you (without evidence) accused some source (that no one even cared about) of being someone else were the closest you've ever come to being accepted as a member. But that's all you had to offer. The rest of your posts went unnoticed. At least trolling gets you the attention your posts never could.

That said, unlike most members, I don't usually complain about trolls too much because a good one can be entertaining and a lot of fun. You are none of those things. You fail even as a troll. Pity.

 

[24kpharma]

Hey guys, while I appreciate the involvement in this thread, I would ask to take the arguments and bickering elsewhere. If a new member were to read through this thread, it would not be helpful for them to see bickering among members of the community. As long as we're discussing the topic on hand with logic and reason rather than emotion, I am happy for open engagement. However, I just ask personal feuds be taken away from this context. Let's try to stick to reason and logic based explanations and discussions rather than those backed by emotions.

 

[Voltrader]

Hey guys, while I appreciate the involvement in this thread, I would ask to take the arguments and bickering elsewhere. If a new member were to read through this thread, it would not be helpful for them to see bickering among members of the community. As long as we're discussing the topic on hand with logic and reason rather than emotion, I am happy for open engagement. However, I just ask personal feuds be taken away from this context. Let's try to stick to reason and logic based explanations and discussions rather than those backed by emotions.

Ummm as much as you like to think this your.thread.in reality it is not. Sorry you have a couple.of detractors jump in your.thread but.at the.end of the.day your thread belongs to us. So deal with it and unfortunate ly for you there are.couple here.that overstep the.acceptable.boundaries

 

[24kpharma]

Ummm as much as you like to think this your.thread.in reality it is not. Sorry you have a couple.of detractors jump in your.thread but.at the.end of the.day your thread belongs to us. So deal with it and unfortunate ly for you there are.couple here.that overstep the.acceptable.boundaries

Hey, no I completely understand. That's why I am asking and not demanding. I just don't believe it's the best to see members here arguing with emotions rather than reasons. If there's problems among individuals, I don't mind them talking them out. But name calling, finger pointing, and hostility puts everyone on the defensive. Instead, it should be open and reasons based, i.e. you are wrong for reason x,y,z and here are proofs of that a,b,c.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Voltrader]

Ok you see emotion but not really you have a well known troll in your thread . Enjoy.

 

[24kpharma]

Ok you see emotion but not really you have a well known troll in your thread . Enjoy.

Troll or not, as long as he makes points of discussion I have no problems with his involvement. My only concerns are the hostility that is being thrown around.