2nd Cycle Ever (Sym's Re-Filtered Test C 250)

[limitphobic]

Never used hcg, sorry dont know.

Everone is different. But only 3 weeks in. The amount of ai and nolva for many people would crash e2 quick.

I Can only speak for myself. I have always had puffy nips. But i would rather have slightly puffy nips then crashed e2.

crashed e2 can ruin 1-3 weeks of a cycle.

.75 mg of adex is a lot!
Thats 2.25 mg eod. You will crash e2 for sure.

wait until you get bloodwork. Go in 1 week to get bloods and then asses your e2 management

uhhh i think its 1.5mg eod unless theirs some weird multiplier happening im unware of... obviously i do not know everything lol

i will definitly be getting bloods soon, maybe in a week or two once the tenderness subsides. for now ill consider .75mg ... e3d?? and nolva 40 mg for the next week dropped to 20 daily after that until i can rub my nips good and hard lol

 

[jJjburton]

uhhh i think its 1.5mg eod unless theirs some weird multiplier happening im unware of... obviously i do not know everything lol

i will definitly be getting bloods soon, maybe in a week or two once the tenderness subsides. for now ill consider .75mg ... e3d?? and nolva 40 mg for the next week dropped to 20 daily after that until i can rub my nips good and hard lol

I meant this...
.75mg eod is ~2.25 a week

.75mg e3d is ~1.5 a week
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until bloods its just guessing unfortunatly. Maybe someone else can say something.

.75 mg seems like alot. I would think .25 or .5 mg eod is reasonable. But you know your body. I am just a guy on the internet.

 

[limitphobic]

I meant this...
.75mg eod is ~2.25 a week

.75mg e3d is ~1.5 a week
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until bloods its just guessing unfortunatly. Maybe someone else can say something.

.75 mg seems like alot. I would think .25 or .5 mg eod is reasonable. But you know your body. I am just a guy on the internet.

gotcha, i figured id drop my e down a solid bit then slow it down, i think .5 eod will be good until this is under control... once this IS under control, ill probably dose .75 e3~4d. looking at blood test panels now

 

[Spokeonawheel]

I've never used more than 1 mg of adex a week. Usually use aromasin but have never exceeded 25 mg week. Even on grams of gear.

Chill on the adex.

You could have just run some nolva (like 10 to 20 mg) to prevent the gyno but it won't actually lower E2 just stop the effect.

Some are more estro sensitive than others.

Gonna be hard to tell what you need with bloodwork at this point.

Chill out on the AI and nolva take bloods at 6 weeks. See where your E2 is at then. Adjust AI from that point.

Sorry. How much test were you running again? How much HCG? And was that it?

 

[limitphobic]

I've never used more than 1 mg of adex a week. Usually use aromasin but have never exceeded 25 mg week. Even on grams of gear.

Chill on the adex.

You could have just run some nolva (like 10 to 20 mg) to prevent the gyno but it won't actually lower E2 just stop the effect.

Some are more estro sensitive than others.

Gonna be hard to tell what you need with bloodwork at this point.

Chill out on the AI and nolva take bloods at 6 weeks. See where your E2 is at then. Adjust AI from that point.

Sorry. How much test were you running again? How much HCG? And was that it?

chilling on the adex lol i'll stick to .5 eod. By saying "... run some nolva (like 10 to 20 mg)..." you mean ed on cycle, correct? I also assume you meant withOUT bloodwork it's gunna be hard to tell? just trying to confirm that so i dont waste money on blood tests if its the wrong time to do so. i assume you meant withOUT bloodwork...
just ordered "Hormone Panel for Females" on labsMD (sidenote: during checkout it asked for my gender, i answered male, was this the wrong choice? its a female panel so i assumed it wouldnt change anything on the bloodwork, like changing it to a "Hormone Panel for Males," correct?) thanks

Edit: 500mg/week test C, 1000iu/week hCG, that's it, no AI, no SERMS

 

[Spokeonawheel]

HCG dose seems high. When I would run it during cycle I stuck to 500 mcg weekly.

If you don't keep a consistent dosage of adex with your test how will you determine what its doing? So... keep that in mind.

You did fine requesting your bloodwork. That's the same panel I've requested many times.

Also nolvadex is a SERM. I think you meant SARM when you were typing it out.

Keep your dosages consistent. Pull bloods in a couple weeks.

There is no one size fits all dosage for AI. Its determined by individual response.

If I'm running 500 test, I'm not running any AI. Others need adex on a TRT dose.

 

[limitphobic]

HCG dose seems high. When I would run it during cycle I stuck to 500 mcg weekly.

If you don't keep a consistent dosage of adex with your test how will you determine what its doing? So... keep that in mind.

You did fine requesting your bloodwork. That's the same panel I've requested many times.

Also nolvadex is a SERM. I think you meant SARM when you were typing it out.

Keep your dosages consistent. Pull bloods in a couple weeks.

There is no one size fits all dosage for AI. Its determined by individual response.

If I'm running 500 test, I'm not running any AI. Others need adex on a TRT dose.

Nono I meant serms but also sarms as to what I’m not running, day 3 of noticed tenderness and it seems to be subsiding, ill continue adex .5 eod while running nolva 20-40mg until problem is solved. Then adex .5 e3d to keep estrogen in check. hCG seems fine at 1000iu/week considering some run 2000iu/day for a week or two to get wify prego lol plus I have a ton of it. Do you know if hCG increases prolactin and/or e significantly?

 

[Flippers]

chilling on the adex lol i'll stick to .5 eod. By saying "... run some nolva (like 10 to 20 mg)..." you mean ed on cycle, correct? I also assume you meant withOUT bloodwork it's gunna be hard to tell? just trying to confirm that so i dont waste money on blood tests if its the wrong time to do so. i assume you meant withOUT bloodwork...
just ordered "Hormone Panel for Females" on labsMD (sidenote: during checkout it asked for my gender, i answered male, was this the wrong choice? its a female panel so i assumed it wouldnt change anything on the bloodwork, like changing it to a "Hormone Panel for Males," correct?) thanks

Edit: 500mg/week test C, 1000iu/week hCG, that's it, no AI, no SERMS

That's right, the gender doesnt matter except when you order gender-specific things like say a pap-smear or PSA

 

[limitphobic]

Thanks for the help guys, nips are almost back to perfect, I’ll be getting bloods in 3 weeks (enough time to stabilize my adex dosage)... another question, do guys usually run nolva the whole cycle to prevent gyno from occurring? Or just when symptoms occur?

 

[Spokeonawheel]

You don't need adex AND nolva.

You run adex to control the amount of E in your system.

You run nolva if you want estrogen levels to remain but to prevent E from affecting breast tissue. Or to help PCT.

Just use adex.

 

[limitphobic]

nips are good, gents. no tenderness, redness, or puffiness. Seems estro is fine because my mood is great, joints are fine, and im having a hard time keeping the lil fella down

 

[BushLeague]

any updates? How is it going?

 

[JC Grifter]

Since you like to drink your calories and protein I have an idea for you. Here’s a shake I make from real food. (I put a range for some ingredients you can adjust for your needs)

1- 2 bananas
2 containers Greek yogurt (I like fage 21grams protein per serving... use two)
2-4 tablespoons natural peanut butter
6-12 tablespoons liquid egg whites
1 cup berries (pick your favorite)
Two handfuls spinach
4-8 oz whole milk (or almond)

 

[limitphobic]

Since you like to drink your calories and protein I have an idea for you. Here’s a shake I make from real food. (I put a range for some ingredients you can adjust for your needs)

1- 2 bananas
2 containers Greek yogurt (I like fage 21grams protein per serving... use two)
2-4 tablespoons natural peanut butter
6-12 tablespoons liquid egg whites
1 cup berries (pick your favorite)
Two handfuls spinach
4-8 oz whole milk (or almond)

This has just led me down a road of pure liquid nutrition (I'm joking; although, there are some possibilities I'm conjuring up lol)

any updates? How is it going?

It's going well, about to start week 6 on sunday, should i get bloods at beginning or end of week 6? been killing it in the gym, upped the intensity and time in. before i was putting in about 45 minutes of solid work a day. I'm now at 1h15m minimum. People are noticing my recent swoleness. Ladies at work are saying a lot more frequently "I/We love you, Limitphobic!" (name changed for obvious reasons haha), and some chicks cant help but toss the casual touch in followed by the casual "Wow your arms are so big and firm" shpeel haha (not gunna lie, loving it haha).

weighed in yesterday at 211lbs, so gained 3lbs and definitly lost some fat. Been lingering at 3700 cals a day and macros have been on point (most days. there are the occasional random "Woah shit thats a lotta fat ive had today" days)

today was shoulder and abs day:
DB shoulder press 3x10-12 @ 45,55,45
ez bar front raises 3x16 @ 30,30,20 (weak, i know, but i wanted to feel a good burnout burn, and my front and middle delts are fine, its the rear delt that needs some punishment)
face pulls 3x12 @ fuck, i can never, remember the weights on that machine
rear flys 3x12 @ 70,90,90
Abs:
lying single leg extensions @ till exhaustion
then butterfly kicks @ till exhaustion
(alternating the two exercises for a total of 6 sets)

what do you guys think?

 

[limitphobic]

weighed in at 215 +/- 2lbs (weighed in every day this week. 215 is the lowest). cals and macros been looking good. cals bumped up to 3900~ been hitting my goals pretty regularly. switching up the routine for a while with low weight high reps for a week or 2 or 3 (never done high reps low weight before so its spicy).

Gunna try to get bloods done tomorrow if the Rona restrictions allow it.

today was shoulder/abs day (kept it light, reallllly wasnt feeling it today, could have low e from the tender nip scare AI mini blast haha)

shoulder press (hammer strength) 3x20 @ 45lbs each side
front DB raises 1.5 reps 3x20-18-16 @ 20, 15, 15
rear delt flys (pec dec machine) 3x20 @ 70, 50, 50
flutter kicks x3 till exhaustion
not sure what to call this last exercise but i dead hang from a pull up bar and use my love handle areas to lift my legs to one side, hold, then the other side, hold. x3 till exhaustion

 

[limitphobic]

Fasted for 18 hours, drove 45 minutes one way in fucked traffic, got to the blood taking place, waiting room packed (small building 8-10 people waiting), iPad sign in thing was white screened (no idea but some chick said it worked for her), seen a piece of paper with updated hours ( got there at 3:45, website said close at 4pm, paper says 3pm) fml looks like I’ll need to take a day off from work to get bloods drawn (facepalm hard af, I mean yeeting my shit)

But ay, got to skip leg day so there’s a plus.