4000 vs 6000 calories

[cfreetenor]

How about newer lifters?

I’ve been training consistently for less than 2 years. When I first started, I put on about 30lbs in 2.5 months eating anywhere from 5-7k cals a day, and just slightly north of 20 lbs of that was lean.

What if I’m still at the point where vacuuming all nearby food makes my lifts go up rapidly? I definitely notice benefits from an extremely high caloric surplus.

Maybe when you’re far from your genetic potential, it is usually more efficient to just eat a lot and focus on training than to be too meticulous about five hundred calories this or that way.

 

[jolter604]

I am 6'4" and 233 pretty lean.
I meed 3500 to 4000 cals just to stay at 233.
But i eat really clean accept for fridays.
But i also hang drywall and frame heavy gauge metal. So I sweat out tons of cals.....

 

[Dead]

How about newer lifters?

I’ve been training consistently for less than 2 years. When I first started, I put on about 30lbs in 2.5 months eating anywhere from 5-7k cals a day, and just slightly north of 20 lbs of that was lean.

What if I’m still at the point where vacuuming all nearby food makes my lifts go up rapidly? I definitely notice benefits from an extremely high caloric surplus.

Maybe when you’re far from your genetic potential, it is usually more efficient to just eat a lot and focus on training than to be too meticulous about five hundred calories this or that way.

and this wis why I don’t believe that 5lbs per cycle bullshit

 

[ebkallday]

6000 a day is a shit ton of calories

I'm at 4000 daily and I weigh 250, in a growth phase. All clean food.

Good man!!!

 

[brutus79]

I said your average 200lb dipshit posting on this forum.... Donkey

We all realize higher weight, gear/drug use and muscle mass can influence BMR. I'm not saying it's one size fits all.

But the concept that more food leads to proportionly more gains is flawed and will make people fat. You need just enough calories and protien to facilitate optional training and the synthesis of new tissue. The rate that occurs won't increase with more calories. It's essentially fixed/capped. Muscle tissue synthesis/gain is slow. But you need and adequate surplus for it to be optimal. Tons more calories generally just means more seal blubber.

Is your life so empty you need to hang out here and pretend to be superior? Seriously- you are one of the most butthurt cunts on a regular basis I have ever come across. One of the biggest adjustments I ever had to make was learning to force feed- literally the hardest part of pushing past plateaus. Consequently the biggest mistake I see made is people don't eat enough and just add reps and compounds.

As an aside- I bet if I went back to when your mom was 6 months pregnant and showed her half a dozen of your posts she would start jamming a rusty coat hanger in her twat with all the ferocity of a slumlord plunging a toilet he doesn't have the money to pay a plumber to come fix. Equal parts anger and desperation. Can you see it?

 

[Diesel10]

such poetry....lol


D10

 

[G.I. Bro]

I only read the first sentence and stopped right there to respond. I am superior, sorry. When I see dumb shit I don't hesitate to identify it and correct it so horseshit misinformation isn't spread by retards. I just don't bother to be polite. I'm not here to win a popularity contest but I don't mind helping educate people.

That's not being cocky, that's having lived long enough and accomplished enough to know I am smarter than most people on the street and certainly most fucking meathead dipshits here.

You're bitter because you said some stupid shit once, I corrected you, then you argued. Then finally someone with some more authority joined in and said I was right. The end. Again I'm sorry. I don't dislike you. But you were spreading misinformation. Get off my dick. We can coexist. I know you post here 15 times a day and are threatened by me challenging you openly. But that's what I do, battle ignorance.

Is your life so empty you need to hang out here and pretend to be superior? Seriously- you are one of the most butthurt cunts on a regular basis I have ever come across. One of the biggest adjustments I ever had to make was learning to force feed- literally the hardest part of pushing past plateaus. Consequently the biggest mistake I see made is people don't eat enough and just add reps and compounds.

As an aside- I bet if I went back to when your mom was 6 months pregnant and showed her half a dozen of your posts she would start jamming a rusty coat hanger in her twat with all the ferocity of a slumlord plunging a toilet he doesn't have the money to pay a plumber to come fix. Equal parts anger and desperation. Can you see it?

 

[cfreetenor]

Any weight gain is always a ratio of muscle to fat, basically, right?

 

[G.I. Bro]

Any weight gain is always a ratio of muscle to fat, basically, right?

Yes and it's skewed more toward fat. It's incredibly hard to gain only lean tissue, but you can mitigate fat deposition when in a gaining phase. Rapid weight gain is almost always a lot of water and fat because there are physiological rate limits on muscle accrual. It's a slow process.

Tons of calories beyond an optimal surplus for your bmr just means you're more likely to gain fat.

When you are very large, 230-240lb+ lean muscle mass, eating enough to grow can be hard and force feeding is a real thing. But My point is very few people getting advice here fall into that category. Only badass Brutus and his pro level physique. Most need only 500-600 additional clean calories over maintenence and plenty of protien to steadily gain lean tissue with minimal fat.

 

[cfreetenor]

I don’t know, when I first started lifting I gained 30lbs in about 2 months by force feeding. I’m talking upwards of 6-7k every day. It was definitely between 65-75% lean.

Sample diet was chocolate GOMAD, 5 pbjs, a dozen wings, 2cups Greek yogurt with oats honey and whey, and two slices of carrot cake. Every day like that.

That was from 162 lbs at around 12% bf to 192 lbs 15-16% bf.

In February I signed up at an MMA gym and accidentally cut 10 pounds by not making time to eat.

I think a lot depends on your activity level, how much you need to eat. I have an active job. I like to hike. Burned more than 3500cals on a hike one day, I was starving. Should that have been a 4000 calorie day?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

500 kcal surplus on roids ... yeah a great diet to be shredded

 

[G.I. Bro]

I don’t know, when I first started lifting I gained 30lbs in about 2 months by force feeding. I’m talking upwards of 6-7k every day. It was definitely between 65-75% lean.

Sample diet was chocolate GOMAD, 5 pbjs, a dozen wings, 2cups Greek yogurt with oats honey and whey, and two slices of carrot cake. Every day like that.

That was from 162 lbs at around 12% bf to 192 lbs 15-16% bf.

In February I signed up at an MMA gym and accidentally cut 10 pounds by not making time to eat.

I think a lot depends on your activity level, how much you need to eat. I have an active job. I like to hike. Burned more than 3500cals on a hike one day, I was starving. Should that have been a 4000 calorie day?

Being 240lb or the "first time you started lifting" are special conditions. Obviously your growth rate when you first lifted was rapid. But it was a response to stimulus. It's not proportional to excess calories per se. Eating way "over" an optimal surplus for bmr doesn't increase the rate at which your body can produce lean tissue. It only makes you fatter faster. That's what you guys don't seem to be getting. Eating an extra 2k calories versus 500 doesn't mean your protien syth doubles assuming both conditions are meeting your daily protien macro requirements. I'm also talking about your average fucking 200lb dude who has been lifting a while...

I think maybe I'm wasting my time (again).

 

[G.I. Bro]

500 kcal surplus on roids ... yeah a great diet to be shredded

Obviously it can vary, but I you get the point right? Just eating tons of excess calories over bmr doesn't translate to proportionally greater lean tissue accrual. But maybe scale weight.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

But BMR doesn’t calculates enchached protein synthesis from drugs

 

[G.I. Bro]

Ya no doubt, if you're running a lot of test and tren you can handle more cals/carbs.

My point is the concept that to gain muscle you have to constantly overeat and/or eat every 2 hours misleads newbs and results in fat bulkers.

But BMR doesn’t calculates enchached protein synthesis from drugs

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Yeah for a total newbie without a training foundation and without any idea for diet yes it will become fat