48hrs after inject ,painful and hot !

[fit2beking]

21g

You need smaller pins!!! Was that also your draw needle? Holy shit lol. Try a 25g 1" if you can get it. You can't keep whacking with pins that big. You're going to hate life, and you're going to get bad scar tissue.

Okay, it's sore down the muscle. That's REALLY common of quad injects. The muscle absorbs it down just because of gravity and muscle fibers. It was hard because you pushed too much, and probably too fast. I push faster than a lot of guys here, but the standard recommendation is 1ml/min. The fact that pain is reduced with an NSAID is a good sign. Just keep an eye on it. If it starts to hurt worse, gets HOT, gets mushy, or just generally turns really fucking weird, do not pass go, do not collect $200, get your ass to a clinic.

If you only have 21g and you have to pin again tomorrow, I'd go for the dorsal glutes (upper outer ass cheek), but make sure you change pins between draw and inject. Also follow proper procedure of alcohol swap bottle and inj site. If you have a smaller pin, I'd dump 1ml in the other quad SLOW, and the other ml in a delt again, SLOW.

Bad news is it's going to take a few injections to break your muscles in. Just something you're going to have to deal with if you're gonna juice. Break each new muscle in with just 1ml (except dorsal glutes; they'll take 2 OK). Good luck, and keep us updated.

^^^^ Golden!!! Good post CS!

OP ditch that damn 21g now! ouch!!!

 

[beezil]

^^^^ Golden!!! Good post CS!

OP ditch that damn 21g now! ouch!!!

right on... I'm using 27g... butter smooth!

 

[digler]

21g



You need smaller pins!!! Was that also your draw needle? Holy shit lol. Try a 25g 1" if you can get it. You can't keep whacking with pins that big. You're going to hate life, and you're going to get bad scar tissue.



Okay, it's sore down the muscle. That's REALLY common of quad injects. The muscle absorbs it down just because of gravity and muscle fibers. It was hard because you pushed too much, and probably too fast. I push faster than a lot of guys here, but the standard recommendation is 1ml/min. The fact that pain is reduced with an NSAID is a good sign. Just keep an eye on it. If it starts to hurt worse, gets HOT, gets mushy, or just generally turns really fucking weird, do not pass go, do not collect $200, get your ass to a clinic.



If you only have 21g and you have to pin again tomorrow, I'd go for the dorsal glutes (upper outer ass cheek), but make sure you change pins between draw and inject. Also follow proper procedure of alcohol swap bottle and inj site. If you have a smaller pin, I'd dump 1ml in the other quad SLOW, and the other ml in a delt again, SLOW.



Bad news is it's going to take a few injections to break your muscles in. Just something you're going to have to deal with if you're gonna juice. Break each new muscle in with just 1ml (except dorsal glutes; they'll take 2 OK). Good luck, and keep us updated.

Done deal , you are a brilliant man and I thank you mucho . my 25g 1 1/2 came in today , and I changed the needle from the draw , I will do just like you said tomorrow . And will keep you informed . The way it feels as of now is getting better , I hope . Another question do I go all the way in with the 1 1/2 25g . And remember the other quad just recovered from the prop shot on sat , do I want to get that fucker to adapt with another shot . Just like u said tho ,1ml only slowly !

 

[azazul]

These guys are right on the money bro, listen to them.
use heat not ice,
Inject less at a time,
shoot ..5 into your quads at first then build it up to where you want to be over time.
I have some PG deca and if I shoot more than a cc into my glute I have pip for 3 days after so I do .5 into one glute then .5 into other glute, helps alot.

I don't go more than 1 inch for quads

edit: Candyskull beat me to it, he knows whats up man, take his advice

 

[Candyskull]

Done deal , you are a brilliant man and I thank you mucho . my 25g 1 1/2 came in today , and I changed the needle from the draw , I will do just like you said tomorrow . And will keep you informed . The way it feels as of now is getting better , I hope . Another question do I go all the way in with the 1 1/2 25g . And remember the other quad just recovered from the prop shot on sat , do I want to get that fucker to adapt with another shot . Just like u said tho ,1ml only slowly !

I just read way the fuck too much bro. lol.

If you just hit the other quad saturday, rotate to delts. If your pins are 1.5" long, bury them about 1/2 way if in the delt, and 2/3 in the quad. Hit one delt with the test, one with the mast, two different pins. Slow. You're very likely to have some pain below the delt between the delt and the bicep from the oil run down. This may also get irritated, almost like a bruise. That is normal. Anything extreme obviously isn't.

Be safe!

Also here's some help locating sites for reference.

DELT 1ml MAX 25/27g 5/8" depth

VENTRAL GLUTE 2-3ml MAX 25/23g 1.5" depth

DORSAL GLUTE 3-4ml MAX 25g/23g 1.5" depth

VASTUS LATERALIS 2ML MAX 25g/27g 1" depth

 

[digler]

These guys are right on the money bro, listen to them.

use heat not ice,

Inject less at a time,

shoot ..5 into your quads at first then build it up to where you want to be over time.

I have some PG deca and if I shoot more than a cc into my glute I have pip for 3 days after so I do .5 into one glute then .5 into other glute, helps alot.



I don't go more than 1 inch for quads



edit: Candyskull beat me to it, he knows whats up man, take his advice

I'm all ears , listening and learning and taking this stuff serious . Can you imagine all the yougsters that think this is easy , safe , and simple . They got another thing coming !

But I'm one that feels that you can use heat after a inject to keep the oil
Thin but after and later use ice , to get more blood flow and oxygen to get more circulation to the area . All this helps tho , thanks again !

 

[digler]

Just a lil follow up , my leg is getting better , still sore , but manageable , not to concerned about it being infected , thanks for all the help , and Candyskull , you are the man , and thanks for the time you took to investigate and help me understand why this happened and how to inject so it doesn't happen again

You know ? I can deal with pain , but when you think that you have some type of infection , that fuck your day and night up ! I slept like a baby and going on for the second round of injection this morning with my new 25g silky smooth needle wish me luck !

 

[TheGuy85]

I use 25g for all my injections, shit is slow when your pushing 1.5+mL of oil but I wouldn't go any higher. In fact I am not exclusively only drawling up my gear with a 25g. I used a 23g and I got a fucking strand from cotton swab in gear. Though this may happen with a 25 as well, it is odd that as soon as I started drawling with a 23g I found a strand in my gear the next day (I check my gear before using it to look for floaters).

 

[digler]

The leg is getting better , still some pain and a hard scar tissue feel to it and don't have 100% range of motion with it but no infection and better every day

The delt I had injected yesterday is soar and tender and a lil hardness like scar tissue , but I guess this is what u call pip , I'm sure some of it came from the movement of my arm and trying to get the leverage to push the plunger on that 25g needle . The mast in the glute is non existent ,man I like that spot . I felt something different last night , my face was warm and red , can tell something was up . Can't wait for it to kick in ! Thx

 

[Candyskull]

Glad to hear you're doing better!

 

[Boosted]

Might be handy to some:

Clinical Practice - IM injections: How’s your technique?

 

[digler]

Might be handy to some:



Clinical Practice - IM injections: How’s your technique?

Very good info ! Thanks again !

 

[digler]

I'm starting to think that I'm having a histamine reaction like Candyskull said cause the area on the delt underneath the injection site is red like my leg was , think I will try a Benadryl and se if that helps .

My friend that was given samples also confirmed that the lab Orion Genetics , was legit and he also got more than regular , pip , but it's all good ! That's reassuring . Thank for listening .

 

[digler]

So I pined last night again 25g 1 x1/12 , 200mg of that test in my right quad , as I stuck in the pin I felt my guad twitch but went away , must of tapped a nerve , but went on nice and smooth . by dinner time I couldn't bend my knee into a 45deg , the quad is to tight . Today the same . Mast shots are silky smooth , and give no problems no matter were I inject . Wtf ! I'm going to drop the test , I can't deal with another crippling day . Is it me or the juice ? Should I switch to a 25x1 needle ?

 

[Candyskull]

So I pined last night again 25g 1 x1/12 , 200mg of that test in my right quad , as I stuck in the pin I felt my guad twitch but went away , must of tapped a nerve , but went on nice and smooth . by dinner time I couldn't bend my knee into a 45deg , the quad is to tight . Today the same . Mast shots are silky smooth , and give no problems no matter were I inject . Wtf ! I'm going to drop the test , I can't deal with another crippling day . Is it me or the juice ? Should I switch to a 25x1 needle ?

You can just back off from sinking the pin all the way in like I put up earlier. I don't know how mast absorbs vs. test. I'm pretty much out of ideas for you. Some people react different. I had pretty severe pip at first, but it went down to a tolerable level after a few injections. It never came close to going away though. Thing is, I know guys who were running gear from the same batch that had absolutely no pip at all. I really feel like it's virgin muscle, but if you doubt the gear, bin it. If its crippling you to where you can't train, it kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Good luck man. Hopefully you'll get your situation in order and start killing it again.

 

[digler]

Your right Candyskull , i just need to get a smaller needle like a 1 inch for the quad and delt , I will get this right , it's easier for me to blame the gear , and I will keep pushing , it just gets frustrating . Sorry for the rants guys and hope I don't sound like a bitch ! Thanks for the advice Candydkull , it's going to get better ! I hope .

 

[TheGuy85]

I wouldn't go over an inch in the quad (I have horse quads). You could use the longer needle but be careful not to slide it in too far (this is impossible for me sometimes, as I end up sliding the needle in further than I intend while applying pressure to the plunger). I love pinning quads, easy access, I get hardly any PIP. If you are going into your quad and it doesn't feel right, pull out. If you relax your leg enough, lubricate the needle with a little oil in the syringe, and slide it in slowly, you should not experience much pain. I, personally, believe there is a sweet spot on the quad, I hit this one spot in my left quad, absolutely painless, no blood, PIP free. Haven't found the sweet spot in my right quad yet.

I have noticed that almost every time I pin, and it hurts or pinches while I am sliding the pin in I am going to get PIP, possibly some blood, and/or a bruise. I was pinning delt the other day and it hurt going in so I pulled out and tried another spot (using different needle). That spot hurt going in too, so I said fuck it and just went through with the injection. My delt hurt all day (it was pretty painful to raise my arm) and I ended up with PIP and a bruise. The next day I hit my other delt, the pin slid in like butter, absolutely painless, I had some initial pain from injecting a lot of oil into my delt, but no PIP later on. I noticed when pinning my delts I need to pin closer towards the chest (which is the front part of the delt I guess) and not directly in the middle of the delt.

 

[digler]

I wouldn't go over an inch in the quad (I have horse quads). You could use the longer needle but be careful not to slide it in too far (this is impossible for me sometimes, as I end up sliding the needle in further than I intend while applying pressure to the plunger). I love pinning quads, easy access, I get hardly any PIP. If you are going into your quad and it doesn't feel right, pull out. If you relax your leg enough, lubricate the needle with a little oil in the syringe, and slide it in slowly, you should not experience much pain. I, personally, believe there is a sweet spot on the quad, I hit this one spot in my left quad, absolutely painless, no blood, PIP free. Haven't found the sweet spot in my right quad yet.



I have noticed that almost every time I pin, and it hurts or pinches while I am sliding the pin in I am going to get PIP, possibly some blood, and/or a bruise. I was pinning delt the other day and it hurt going in so I pulled out and tried another spot (using different needle). That spot hurt going in too, so I said fuck it and just went through with the injection. My delt hurt all day (it was pretty painful to raise my arm) and I ended up with PIP and a bruise. The next day I hit my other delt, the pin slid in like butter, absolutely painless, I had some initial pain from injecting a lot of oil into my delt, but no PIP later on. I noticed when pinning my delts I need to pin closer towards the chest (which is the front part of the delt I guess) and not directly in the middle of the delt.

Man that spot on , I was pushing in and felt my quad twitch , I new it was bad but I kept going . I can't keep it From going all the way also I end up all the way when pushing the oil . Smaller needle , problem solved . I think the front is going to be easier , better leverage . I will keep in mind if it starts to hurt , stop and try somewhere else . Thanks

 

[TheGuy85]

Hope it works out for you. The hard part is keeping your leg relaxed, you might start flexing your quad and not notice. If you slide the pin in slower it is almost as if you can feel if you hit a vein, you could continue to push through it (aspirate to make sure your not actually going to inject into a vein) and inject the oil, but you usually end up with blood afterwards. After I am done pushing the oil through I leave the needle in an extra 30 seconds, pull the needle out quickly, grab my opened alcohol wipe and apply pressure to the injection area for 60 seconds (this helps keep any oil from possibly seeping back out). I don't massage the muscle after an injection and have never found it beneficial after pinning, if anything it just seems like it irritates the injection site.

 

[workinghard89]

Ok my cousin has an issue. He shot test prop in his delt by himself. He's used a 25g 1 1/2 inch needle. He said he went all the way in. Now today he says he has a lump 2 inches under neath the original pin spot.
My question is. Is it possible to shoot past the delt muscle and it leak thru on the other side?