Abortion debate.

hijoshiki

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Now that states are trying to stop late term abortion and probably trying to get rid of abortion as much as possible.

Here's where we stand.

Millions of women who are too stupid to use birth control will find themselves in a pickle.

I worked in healthcare for 25 years. When I first started working there were lots of kids, I mean 12 year olds having babies. This was clearly horrific from the standpoint that this was a child by every standard that shouldn't have been a mother. I remember one 12 year old with her 12 year old boyfriend telling his girlfriend that she was "lucky because she doesn't have to go to school tomorrow". This is the definition of scary dumb.

Simple solution:

Make birth control completely free, all types. If it's illegal then they'll need their own UGL brand to get these out to the public.

Progesterone blocking medication(abortion pills) should be free and flow out to the public no questions asked.

Abortions up to 11 weeks shouldn't be against someones religion simply because this is before the 12 week cut off before a fetus could feel pain.

Life for many of these unwanted pregnancies will be pure hell, the baby will be raised often times by unfit parents that will raise generations to be unfit causing generations of suffering. Lots of people think every baby is adopted, but there are plenty of kids that end up tossed around, unwanted because they were born to addict mothers or just poor genetic stock.

It's better to snuff a life early and get it over with, most of life is a drudgery filled with work, stress, more work, more stress and then a painful decline until your body gives up.

We're way over populated as it is and now that the 3rd world that breeds like rabbits is invading there is no hope for relief. More people, more competition for resources like clean water and building materials for homes where a 2x4 costs $8 and will probably cost $20 eventually.

The standard of living is going down, the average lifespan is in decline. Those 18-49 have lost 4 years off their life expectancy, which suggests life is in the shitter for millions. The future for Americans isn't going to be as good as it once was, your chance of living on skidrow are rising by the decade as we accept homelessness as the new normal and lose our ability to empathize with millions that suffer, but for some reason we seem to think a fetus is the most important thing in the world until it's born into a life of suffering and then it no longer matters.

The leftest who are clearly pro-abortion weren't anti-vaxx and that's a real problem. I was there for them in support of their abortions, I think the more the better as I want more land and resources and less people. It's time the leftest join the anti-vaxx, tell the government to fuck off crowd as we're here standing by, we're ready to flush the government down the toilet, they just have to stop being little prissy twats and realize no one gives a shit about them including the government.
 
If there was a antibaby pill for men I would use it . It shouldn’t be a womens only responsibility . Also it’s a womens body, she should be the only one who should choose between abortion or not. I don’t know why people can’t mind their own business. Why you care about another human body bruh?

religion killed more humans than every disease ever did.
 
The problem with the anti-abortion crowd is that they see the value of the fetus and see that stage of life as something worth saving at all costs.

Then once the baby is born, more than likely black, to a single mother with a absent father raising a kid to a statistically higher chance of crime, they no longer see this fetus that developed into an adult as important, he is now an animal that needs to be locked in a cage or if the crime is serious enough put to death in the most painful way possible.

As for religion, the bible has numerous verses dedicated to abortion of life that God orders, including infanticide ordered by God, child sacrifice ordered by God, child sex slavery ordered by God, unruley children that disrespect their parents to be stoned to death ordered by God, young daughters found not to be a virgin to be stoned. Doesn't seem to me God really gives a shit one way or the other if you have the baby or not because God is just gonna kill it sooner or later, because that is what he does.

Here's just a little taste of what the bible thinks of the young one's:

Numbers 31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34: utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53: And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3: slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12: dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16: all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16: Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18: They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20: Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14: give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

That was just a tiny sample of the bible, the book of Joshua would put Stephen King to shame when it comes to horror. I don't think there has ever been ten chapters ever written that are more gratuitous and generous when it comes to describing over the top reckless violence with a total disregard for children, it's like ISIS on their worst day.
 
The problem with the anti-abortion crowd is that they see the value of the fetus and see that stage of life as something worth saving at all costs.

Then once the baby is born, more than likely black, to a single mother with a absent father raising a kid to a statistically higher chance of crime, they no longer see this fetus that developed into an adult as important, he is now an animal that needs to be locked in a cage or if the crime is serious enough put to death in the most painful way possible.

As for religion, the bible has numerous verses dedicated to abortion of life that God orders, including infanticide ordered by God, child sacrifice ordered by God, child sex slavery ordered by God, unruley children that disrespect their parents to be stoned to death ordered by God, young daughters found not to be a virgin to be stoned. Doesn't seem to me God really gives a shit one way or the other if you have the baby or not because God is just gonna kill it sooner or later, because that is what he does.

Here's just a little taste of what the bible thinks of the young one's:

Numbers 31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34: utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53: And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3: slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12: dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16: all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16: Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18: They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20: Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14: give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

That was just a tiny sample of the bible, the book of Joshua would put Stephen King to shame when it comes to horror. I don't think there has ever been ten chapters ever written that are more gratuitous and generous when it comes to describing over the top reckless violence with a total disregard for children, it's like ISIS on their worst day.
Lmao fuck religion for real
 
I'm pro choice, and pro less federal government. So while I thought roe wade was bad policy and like that it's now a state issue. I also don't think the government state or federal has any right to tell someone what they can and can't do with their body. That extends beyond abortion to forced vaccinations for kids to attend public schools.
 
I'm pro choice, and pro less federal government. So while I thought roe wade was bad policy and like that it's now a state issue. I also don't think the government state or federal has any right to tell someone what they can and can't do with their body. That extends beyond abortion to forced vaccinations for kids to attend public schools.
Federal, State and Private business are all tyrannical.

You can't allow them to have any power when it comes to body autonomy.

People think it's a move in the right direction when you return the power back to the states as if that's gonna produce more freedom. It's a common libertarian talking point. The problem is most states are not very enlightened, they want a death grip on your freedom just as much or even more than the Federal Government, and then the libertarians will state that letting the free market decide your fate is even better, which is another form of tyranny that history has shown will send people back to child labor and sweat shops.

You have to have of men and women that are basically atheist/anarchist/free thinkers that hold the ultimate say on all matters involving your body autonomy, which of course they will say no one has the right to force or stop you from doing anything you want to your body. Other wise you're in this constant battle with religious nutters that are always looking for political power to force their bullshit on everyone.

The Supreme Court holds up what is basically a religious text called the Constitution and it is a worthless document that is so vague(just like all religious documents) that you need people that are little more than oracles to conjure and tease the meaning out of the document to suit the purpose of the government while pretending it gives you freedoms or privileges that never seem to actually exist on any real level. The other argument is that your rights come from God, which is obviously another bullshit argument for theocracy.

As it stands when a Supreme Court nominee is going through their nomination/confirmation process and being asked questions, they have to paint themselves as religious on some level, deep family values, wholesome, they have to present themselves as being as non-threatening as possible to the established order of things, so that means protestant, catholic and Jewish. There has never been a Supreme Court Justice that is declared out in the open atheist and free thinker, and that reason is probably because Law by definition is nothing more than pulled out of someones ass. Anyone that has studied philosophy for a few years would be able to tear the entire profession to shreds as it sits on a foundation with no real authority other than the man with the gun says it's gonna be this way from here on out.
 
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We ARE trying to make it free. Planned parenthood does this. Also we have programs in our states that can help. But anti choice people also want to get rid of planned parenthood. Abortion is only a small fraction compared to everything else planned parenthood does.

I wouldn’t call people stupid. Call them ignorant. No one teaches these kids about safe sex and protection. Especially those in low income areas. It’s not fair to label them stupid because they don’t have the education.

We are not pro abortion. We are pro choice. There is a difference.

The states are arguing that there should be no exceptions. Which means carrying an unviable baby to the end knowing they will die. Ectopic pregnancies where the mothers life is at risk. They don’t care about rape or incest either. And they don’t care what happens to the baby AFTER birth. They don’t want people on well fair.
 
I'm not fucking all these whores but I have to pay for their birth control after some other guy nuts inside them?
And then if the WHORE doesnt get an abortion, I still have to pay to take care of her and the kid?
Yeah fuck all that bullshit.
What we have is a WHORE PROBLEM not an abortion problem.
Talibans dont have these problems with their women just saying.
 
I'm not fucking all these whores but I have to pay for their birth control after some other guy nuts inside them?
And then if the WHORE doesnt get an abortion, I still have to pay to take care of her and the kid?
Yeah fuck all that bullshit.
What we have is a WHORE PROBLEM not an abortion problem.
Talibans dont have these problems with their women just saying.
Taliban doesn't have problems with women because they will be killed if they don't do as their neadrathal husbands tell them. They also marry off girls when they are toddlers or sell them for food, they are completely fucked in the head people.

As for sluts, whores. Doesn't matter. Abortion pills are dirt cheap. That's a hell of a lot cheaper than what it will cost to deliver a baby and pay for it to eventually end up in prison.

As for costs. It seems abortion is too much to pay, but we waste billions on other things that really don't have a net benefit, but we do benefit greatly from Abortions, the more we have the better off we are.

I won't only pay more taxes to promote abortion. I would be willing to pay women $2000 a year to never have children until the age of menopause. That's the most green thing you can do, population reduction, fuck green energy and I'm a person with solar panels on my roof. There is nothing greener and better for the human race than getting rid of as many people as possible, we have too many assholes in this world. For the future generations we need to cull the herd, it's either that or we're gonna end up in a massive war over resources, so it's better to let the human race die out by not having babies.

In the meantime instead of shutting down abortion clinics, I would instead destroy every church, synagogue, mosque in the country and tell these fuckers to take a hike.
 
Now each state can decide individually- that’s a good thing, whether it be abortion or anything else
Letting states decide is no less tyrannical than the Federal government.

Do you like that states decide to criminalize anabolics?

Tyranny will always happen if you allow anyone to decide for you. You decide what you put in your body, not the state.
 
>kill people, kill babies, burn churches, pay women to be whores all their lives instead of getting married and having a family

The mental state of abortinists


No I just made sure not to knock up any of the women I've been with.
I'm not killing anyone.

What I'm trying to do is head off suffering. When you are born to a poor single mother it is and can be a nightmare growing up. There is no way to get around it, you take away abortion and you will have more unfit mothers.

As for religion and their buildings. God and the State represent Tyranny. Study the French Revolution and see why the people were so pissed off when they finally realized the King and the Priests were one and the same. The enlightenment was a great leap forward, but we have too many retards that want to drag us back into the dark ages believing in middle eastern myths that have great control over our politics.

As for destroying Churches. We don't have to do that, we can convert them to abortion clinics.
 
Taliban doesn't have problems with women because they will be killed if they don't do as their neadrathal husbands tell them. They also marry off girls when they are toddlers or sell them for food, they are completely fucked in the head people.

As for sluts, whores. Doesn't matter. Abortion pills are dirt cheap. That's a hell of a lot cheaper than what it will cost to deliver a baby and pay for it to eventually end up in prison.

As for costs. It seems abortion is too much to pay, but we waste billions on other things that really don't have a net benefit, but we do benefit greatly from Abortions, the more we have the better off we are.

I won't only pay more taxes to promote abortion. I would be willing to pay women $2000 a year to never have children until the age of menopause. That's the most green thing you can do, population reduction, fuck green energy and I'm a person with solar panels on my roof. There is nothing greener and better for the human race than getting rid of as many people as possible, we have too many assholes in this world. For the future generations we need to cull the herd, it's either that or we're gonna end up in a massive war over resources, so it's better to let the human race die out by not having babies.

In the meantime instead of shutting down abortion clinics, I would instead destroy every church, synagogue, mosque in the country and tell these fuckers to take a hike.
You sure sound exactly @mike-xxx. Pretty sad too.
 
>kill people, kill babies, burn churches, pay women to be whores all their lives instead of getting married and having a family

The mental state of abortinists


No I just made sure not to knock up any of the women I've been with.
Chuck in all seriousness.

What are family values? What is the point of getting married and having a family? How does this change anything other than outward appearances. Isn't this just an argument for conformity?

If a women has sex when does she become a whore, when she gets pregnant, catches an STD, has a smelly coochie?

If the women that lives 3 blocks down the street from me has sex with lots of guys, how does that effect me as long as she can get abortions. Why would I care about her life as long as she doesn't interfere with mine.

Do I want a women deciding for me whether I can do something I enjoying doing?

I'm all for cutting funding to abortion if that keeps the religious nutters minding their own business, but we all know the nutters love to go looking over peoples fences to see if anyone is enjoying themselves a little too much. Killing joy is there mission in life, oppression ultimate goal, suffocating and limiting the full expression of what it is to live on your own terms, always preaching fear and the devil for those that don't obey.

It's time to drop the horseshit and just let people live and decide for themselves. We gotta stop taking on these identities that rob us of our essence that never gets a chance to fully develop under tyranny.
 
Pro choice , I say everyone can do whatever they want , they have to live with their consequences not me.
I don’t believe in late term , but in the very early stages then it is what it is , if a chick was raped or molested u really think she should have to carry that baby to term
Who are any of us to make that decision for someone in that situation

And as for the ones who do it constantly maybe add a rule where 2 or 3 is the limit and then you must get your tubes tied or somthing instead

Idk
I’m not a woman and don’t feel that I can dictate somthing that personal to them
 
Letting states decide is no less tyrannical than the Federal government.

Do you like that states decide to criminalize anabolics?

Tyranny will always happen if you allow anyone to decide for you. You decide what you put in your body, not the state.
False equivalency.

So, in your opinion, the federal government laying down blanket law is the same level of tyranny as state law...? If you don’t like a state law, you can move to a state that the law is different... if it’s a federal law then moving states wouldn’t matter.

Idk about you, but I’ll take the lesser of two evils
 
False equivalency.

So, in your opinion, the federal government laying down blanket law is the same level of tyranny as state law...? If you don’t like a state law, you can move to a state that the law is different... if it’s a federal law then moving states wouldn’t matter.

Idk about you, but I’ll take the lesser of two evils
What part of the constitution gives the state or federal government the right to tell you or women what to do with their body? Roe v. Wade said the government doesn’t have that power. The new decision says it does. Which is more controlling, more fascist?
 
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