Abortion debate.

[Zarathos]

What part of the constitution gives the state or federal government the right to tell you or women what to do with their body? Roe v. Wade said the government doesn’t have that power. The new decision says it does. Which is more controlling, more fascist?

Another false equivalency.

I don’t have a horse in this race gents- but it certainly appears that you both think I’ve expressed a stance on abortion... if you read again you will see I have not.

I want less federal control, this ruling puts an issue back in the hands of the states- I would like more of this

 

[99powerstroke]

The only part of all this I find amusing is all the purple haired dyke looking whores seething about not being able to be whores anymore lol. Like honestly, How hard is it to take birth control or use a fucking condom?

In the extremely rare cases or rape or incest, Ok I agree there should be an exemption. But those cases are extremely rare. What are there like 3-4 of these cases per year per state? It doesn’t even justify having a building dedicated to giving abortions.

 

[ImHereForBothReasons]

I want less federal control, this ruling puts an issue back in the hands of the states- I would like more of this

I want less control all together. Saying “false equivalency“ isn’t some magical incantation that removes any burden to demonstrate wether it is in fact false.

You don’t want less control. You think somehow the state controlling you is better than if the feds do?

 

[hijoshiki]

False equivalency.

So, in your opinion, the federal government laying down blanket law is the same level of tyranny as state law...? If you don’t like a state law, you can move to a state that the law is different... if it’s a federal law then moving states wouldn’t matter.

Idk about you, but I’ll take the lesser of two evils

So you run from state to state in your never ending game of musical chairs until one day there is no chair and you fall flat on your ass?

Relinquishing control to the State is every bit as crushing as the Federal government or even control via corporation, which is becoming the new strong arm of the government.

Once you look to these systems of totality that were set up by the elites to keep society in such a manner that suites them and not us, you will quickly find that they are and have always been systems that reduce our independence and freedom.

The Founders of this country, the Constitutional Convention was in fact set up by 55 total assholes that sliced and diced this country up not for the purpose of the average man, but for the sole purpose of the wealthy land owners, the professional legal class, slave owners, industrialists, even the government bond holders that wanted to make sure they tax the shit out of people so they would get a return on their investments. In other words it was a giant swindle to advantage via ruling class with just a enough bones thrown to the middle class to keep them in a watch tower positions where they could help keep the peace by making sure the marginal classes didn't get a chance to revolt and upset the apple cart.

Do we need ethics as a people? Sure we do, but we don't need sweeping endless laws that silence the people through fear mongering that the state knows best and that you would be better served if you just stfu and didn't argue in your defense.


That is what this is ultimately about. Women are being told the stfu, don't speak, don't say anything, let us your "government" do all the talking as you and your desires go up in smoke.

 

[Zarathos]

I want less control all together. Saying “false equivalency“ isn’t some magical incantation that removes any burden to demonstrate wether it is in fact false.

You don’t want less control. You think somehow the state controlling you is better than if the feds do?

It actually is- because none of my posts were in regard to a stance on abortion, so you and I are discussing different things

As I stated previously- state control is the lesser of two evils, because I can move to a state with differing laws... I cannot move away from federal law without leaving the country

You say you want “less control all together”... how is blanket federal law less control than state law, when you have the option to move to a state where the laws are different...?

 

[hijoshiki]

The only part of all this I find amusing is all the purple haired dyke looking whores seething about not being able to be whores anymore lol. Like honestly, How hard is it to take birth control or use a fucking condom?

In the extremely rare cases or rape or incest, Ok I agree there should be an exemption. But those cases are extremely rare. What are there like 3-4 of these cases per year per state? It doesn’t even justify having a building dedicated to giving abortions.

Most abortions can easily be handled using a progesterone blocker that will cause the uterus to contract and miscarry or expel the glob of fetal tissue.

The problem is the religious folks don't want this, they want to force the women to carry the baby as a reminder of her sins from getting dicked a little too much.

It's a way to take society back to the good old days when a women was terrified and guilty, hanging her head in shame and stuck with a lifetime of misery having to drag a guy into court to get child support and spend the rest of her life lashing out at her child because he ruined her life.

Pill abortions need to remain legal no matter what. Hell I would recommend Panda and Dragon start offering these pills so people can stock up.

Abortion isn't the ultimate point of this. It's the power of the State and anyone else that has power over you. You gotta get rid of this power, start standing up for ourselves, stop taking shit.

 

[hijoshiki]

It actually is- because none of my posts were in regard to a stance on abortion, so you and I are discussing different things

As I stated previously- state control is the lesser of two evils, because I can move to a state with differing laws... I cannot move away from federal law without leaving the country

You say you want “less control all together”... how is blanket federal law less control than state law, when you have the option to move to a state where the laws are different...?

A state can pull the rug out from your freedom at any time.

Do you want to spend your life as a nomad moving state to state.

If that's the case then Bakanizing, breaking up into small states, viewing your neighbor states as hostile is our future. A future spent going to war in a quest to expand our turf based on the level of freedom you want or want taken away.

Your best choice is to make the government and private business on all levels virtually powerless when it comes to body autonomy. They have absolutely no right at all and only when their imaginative constructions are taken down again and again and again will they get the message that we want to be left alone to live our own lives on our own terms.

 

[Outlier]

Approximately 67% of all abortions are committed on African American babies. That is about 3600 black lives that are being taken every week. In any other country that would be considered genocide and racist. But in America where "Black Lives Matter" it is considered abortion, pro choice. Margaret Sanger was a vehement racist. She despised African Americans. She believed in genocide and abortion made that possible. How is that not part of a political discussion ( I ask this as a white man, who belongs wo the Independent party. I also had a vasectomy after my only child was born).

It's a little concerning to see white women marching and screaming and crying now that black lives will be protected. Yea, yea , yea, I get it..reproductive rights, keep your laws off of my body, etc...

 

[hijoshiki]

Approximately 67% of all abortions are committed on African American babies. That is about 3600 black lives that are being taken every week. In any other country that would be considered genocide and racist. But in America where "Black Lives Matter" it is considered abortion, pro choice. Margaret Sanger was a vehement racist. She despised African Americans. She believed in genocide and abortion made that possible. How is that not part of a political discussion ( I ask this as a white man, who belongs wo the Independent party. I also had a vasectomy after my only child was born).

It's a little concerning to see white women marching and screaming and crying now that black lives will be protected. Yea, yea , yea, I get it..reproductive rights, keep your laws off of my body, etc...

It's not about race at all.

Sure lots of blacks use Abortion as a form of birthcontrol. Do you want to force these black women to carry these babies.

What will it cost in the form of care for the women and unwanted child. Do you think these black babies are gonna be adopted or will they end up in the projects and out on the streets.


Margaret Sanger's views are complex considering she knew poor immigrants had no means of birth control or access to abortions and she knew the rich would be able to have abortions and control the size of their families, she saw this as an injustice, we today see it as a white irish catholic trying to kill blacks.

Yes she was a eugenicists in the sense that she didn't see a point in those unfit to reproduce producing more unfit people. This seems monstrous to us today, but do you want a nation of half wits or a nation of strong people. Lets be honest, you want an army of autistic's shitting their diapers pissing and moaning all day long or a nation of strong mentally and physically capable people. Do you want your nation riding the little yellow bus to school? And what about those born with inferior genetics, don't you think it sucks to be down syndrome to have that sort of limitation to where you'll never know what if feels like to be normal. If I was born like that I would have gladly welcomed someone to snuff me out while I was in the womb, no way would I want to go through life like that.

Nature is brutal. Forget eugenicists, they're nothing. Nature will snuff out weakness faster than an army of abortion docs could ever hope.

 

[ImHereForBothReasons]

how is blanket federal law less control than state law

It isn’t “federal law” or “state law.” Until last week it was the court saying “the right to privacy and due process are so important no one, not even states, can fuck with it.”

 

[hijoshiki]

Approximately 67% of all abortions are committed on African American babies. That is about 3600 black lives that are being taken every week. In any other country that would be considered genocide and racist. But in America where "Black Lives Matter" it is considered abortion, pro choice. Margaret Sanger was a vehement racist. She despised African Americans. She believed in genocide and abortion made that possible. How is that not part of a political discussion ( I ask this as a white man, who belongs wo the Independent party. I also had a vasectomy after my only child was born).

It's a little concerning to see white women marching and screaming and crying now that black lives will be protected. Yea, yea , yea, I get it..reproductive rights, keep your laws off of my body, etc...

I did a little more research into Margaret Sanger and it appears most of the stuff you hear about her is basically bullshit.

I don't think she was racist, if anything she wanted abortion clinics to be manned by black nurses and black doctors. She saw their poverty and we all know children make poverty even worse.

She obviously had a problem with women being viewed as vessels for children and little else. Sangers mother had 11 children, was catholic and died young. Her father was an atheist and lost much of his income because the church and town people turned against him for his lack of belief in bullshit.

It seems to me she was in fact one of those rare ballsy women that made a real difference in history and for that reason just like Madalyn Murray O'hair, that god fearing people went after for her accomplishments in changing the world, we have to do a deep dive to arrive at a truth when the religious zealots go to work destroying a reputation long after the women is dead and not able to defend herself.

Lets be clear the Church has and will always be used as a weapon to rob people of their freedom. I grew up pre-internet, I know what it was like to be around religious people that never allow you to call out their religion and I know what it's like to feel the suffocation of being around these dumbshits that just never seem to wake up from their tireless devotion to zombie worship.

I don't like modern feminism because it is petty and obsessed with trivial things that have been elevated in importance. Nor do I condone a women's ability to use her powers of manipulation to game a system to her favor and wreck lives like we see happen today. However there were a short list of women that were smart, knew bullshit when they saw it and they went after it and they paid a heavy price for it, these were tough women with real beefs with a corrupt system, they used their intellect for good.

 

[JesterBOB]

If there was a antibaby pill for men I would use it . It shouldn’t be a womens only responsibility . Also it’s a womens body, she should be the only one who should choose between abortion or not. I don’t know why people can’t mind their own business. Why you care about another human body bruh?

religion killed more humans than every disease ever did.

You are right, it is the responsibility of both men and women. And you rightly said that a man should also take care of it. So that the situation is not one-sided.