Accidentally injecting T into a blood vessel

[pinkman]

Since this danger is always present when injecting I'm really worried about this.
I read some threads at other bodybuilding forums where people wrote that they accidentally injected T into a blood vessel and then directly felt like they couldn't breathe anymore and thought they're dying. Their testimonies sounded really damn scary. After reading this I don't think I could inject myself which highly limits my options when it comes to getting on TRT. If injections are out of the game then all that is left is the damn gel and I hate the gel.

 

[idmd]

Testosterone is in an oil and if injected into a vessel that oil can travel to the alveoli of your lungs and inhibit oxygen diffusion. The answer is simple, use a large enough needle that you can aspirate. Insert the needle and BEFORE you inject pull back on the plunger. If you see blood flashback into the syringe you are in a vessel and do not inject. Reposition and repeat....when no blood is pulled back into the syringe inject.

Helps to know some anatomy as well about the area you will inject into. There are some gluteal arteries (superior and inferior gluteal arteries) but they are pretty easy to stay clear of when injecting.

 

[MANWHORE]

Since this danger is always present when injecting I'm really worried about this.
I read some threads at other bodybuilding forums where people wrote that they accidentally injected T into a blood vessel and then directly felt like they couldn't breathe anymore and thought they're dying. Their testimonies sounded really damn scary. After reading this I don't think I could inject myself which highly limits my options when it comes to getting on TRT. If injections are out of the game then all that is left is the damn gel and I hate the gel.

I never aspirate when injecting and never had issues with this.

Some times I get more pain and bleeding but never felt like
I couldn't breath. I've also done many many Tren shots.

The only time I felt anything different with breathing was
after injecting PGF2-A. It feels like after going for a long run
in the cold weather and breathing all that cold air in for some time.
Maybe like an upper respiratory infection.. Not sure if I ever had
one, but I hear that's what they feel like

 

[pinkman]

But I read that even aspirating doesn't mean you can't still hit a vein because when you push the stuff in then the needle still moves a bit. This is damn scary.
After reading these horror testimonies I don't think I could possible inject myself.

 

[idmd]

I never aspirate when injecting and never had issues with this.

Aspirating is just good technique. I think most people learn the best place to inject (which is chosen to minimize this problem) and it's not a problem most of the time. BUT it maybe that 1:1000 time when it is an aspiration will help you identify you're not in a good spot before it's a problem. For all the people using small gauge needles (30G and smaller) you can't really aspirate well those.

 

[chronological]

Since this danger is always present when injecting I'm really worried about this.
... After reading this I don't think I could inject myself which highly limits my options when it comes to getting on TRT. If injections are out of the game then all that is left is the damn gel and I hate the gel.

Pinkman, as humans we are *ridiculously* *awfully* brain-dead-edly* bad at estimating risk. This is an example. If you are afraid of consequences through risk taking, there are many things you should be much more scared of.

At the risk of offending people even more than I've managed to do so far, can I ask: are you an American? Reason I ask is that contrary to its "Home of the Brave" moniker, the USA is the most shit scared place I've ever seen, especially since 9/11. People here are scared of everything that ever appears in the news no matter how utterly rare it is. I don't understand it to be honest. The place was settled by bad-ass Europeans who had the balls, and presumably the Testosterone, to push across the entire continent, killing natives as they went, and generally showing everyone who was boss. Something seems to have gone badly awry in the intervening few hundred years.

Seriously though -- you are suffering from a cognitive bias known as an "availability heuristic". Think -- you're *going* to hear the horror stories; you're never going to see a headline running, "STOP PRESS: Over a million men give themselves a total of over 50 million T injections and no one gets hurt!!!!!!"

 

[keriheat]

Aspirating is just good technique. I think most people learn the best place to inject (which is chosen to minimize this problem) and it's not a problem most of the time. BUT it maybe that 1:1000 time when it is an aspiration will help you identify you're not in a good spot before it's a problem. For all the people using small gauge needles (30G and smaller) you can't really aspirate well those.

I use a 27g pin in my thigh. I always aspirate, have never seen blood and never thought the 27g was difficult to aspirate. I have injected myself 16 times as of today, so per the 1 in 1000, I have what?...984 times before I look for a problem. :drooling: ... pinkman, "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself"

 

[idmd]

I use a 27g pin in my thigh. I always aspirate, have never seen blood and never thought the 27g was difficult to aspirate. I have injected myself 16 times as of today, so per the 1 in 1000, I have what?...984 times before I look for a problem. :drooling: ... pinkman, "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself"

27G is larger than a 30G....that's why it's not hard to aspirate. And by "hard to aspirate" I mean sometimes such a small amount of blood is aspirated by small bore needles that it's more difficult to detect. Especially if you're doing IM in your rear.

 

[foreveryoung]

as someone that has injected themselves probably 1000 times, it becomes something so taken for granted that it's hard not to get sloppy,you occasionally get blood squirting across the room, etc. it's no big deal lol it all goes with the territory

fear of the side effects and long term effects of the actual substances should be a bigger fear than an injection, practice with water based b12 for awhile if it is seeming too scary

 

[keriheat]

At my current rate of injection, which is approximately 5 times a month or 60 times a month, I should reach the pinnacle of 1000 injections around November of 2028. That will make me 86 years of age. If I'm still doing it then, I just hope the wife is willing. I would hate to divorce her after 65 years!

 

[mac111]

I never aspirate when injecting and never had issues with this.

Some times I get more pain and bleeding but never felt like
I couldn't breath. I've also done many many Tren shots.

The only time I felt anything different with breathing was
after injecting PGF2-A. It feels like after going for a long run
in the cold weather and breathing all that cold air in for some time.
Maybe like an upper respiratory infection.. Not sure if I ever had
one, but I hear that's what they feel like

i really dont know why you dont aspirate, its crazy not to, it only takes a second to check.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Crawford CL, Johnson JA. To aspirate or not: an integrative review of the evidence. Nursing 2012;42(3):20-5. To aspirate or not: an integrative review of the evi... [Nursing. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

The practice of aspiration has been added and eliminated based on anecdote, assumption, and arbitrary choice for decades and is not based on scientific evidence(1,3,8,11)

No studies confirm or reject current aspiration techniques & no data currently exists to document the necessity for aspiration(1,5,8,11)

http://www.stti.iupui.edu/pp07/vancouver09/41810.Crawford, Cecelia L.-F 10.pdf

 

[idmd]

Crawford CL, Johnson JA. To aspirate or not: an integrative review of the evidence. Nursing 2012;42(3):20-5. To aspirate or not: an integrative review of the evi... [Nursing. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

http://www.stti.iupui.edu/pp07/vancouver09/41810.Crawford,%20Cecelia%20L.-F%2010.pdf

I think this is a case where good 'ol common sense trumps the single review article that lets face it isn't a hot area for research. Also, the consequences of intravascular injection must be considered. Not aspirating with a water based preparation like B12 is not the end of the world. The fact is these testosterone preparations are oil based, people who do inject them intravascularly do experience incredibly bad complications and the practice of aspiration takes two additional seconds. Why on earth would you not? The part of statistics people don't understand - even if your chance of respiratory complications is relatively low at 1 in 10,000.....someone has to be the "one" and when it actually happens their low theoretical statistical chance isn't going to make them feel any better about it. Especially when it's was preventable with something as easy as aspiration.

Aspiration is still good technique IMHO.

 

[mac111]

Crawford CL, Johnson JA. To aspirate or not: an integrative review of the evidence. Nursing 2012;42(3):20-5. To aspirate or not: an integrative review of the evi... [Nursing. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI



http://www.stti.iupui.edu/pp07/vancouver09/41810.Crawford, Cecelia L.-F 10.pdf

surely a common sense issue and robotic studies aren't required to promote not aspirating? i have on occasion flooded a syringe with blood, i'd hate to have gone ahead and injected into that particular spot.....

 

[Michael Scally MD]

surely a common sense issue and robotic studies aren't required to promote not aspirating? i have on occasion flooded a syringe with blood, i'd hate to have gone ahead and injected into that particular spot.....

I agree wrt to the novice/amateur on injections. For the professional (or those with 100s in experience), aspiration is just an unnecessary extra step. Also, this is for the sites used in medical practice, NOT site injections, etc.

 

[keriheat]

At my current rate of injection, which is approximately 5 times a month or 60 times a month, I should reach the pinnacle of 1000 injections around November of 2028. That will make me 86 years of age. If I'm still doing it then, I just hope the wife is willing. I would hate to divorce her after 65 years!

I meant to say YEAR! :drooling:

 

[chronological]

surely a common sense issue and robotic studies aren't required to promote not aspirating? i have on occasion flooded a syringe with blood, i'd hate to have gone ahead and injected into that particular spot.....

Even then, it's unlikely you would have created a problem. With IM injections at least, the needle is going in at roughly right angles to the veins and so even if you hit one the needle is not necessarily *in* the vein.

It's a bit like digging a hole in your yard and hitting a water pipe. If you then pee into that hole, you're unlikely to get much pee flowing back into your domestic water supply.

 

[MANWHORE]

Aspirating is just good technique. I think most people learn the best place to inject (which is chosen to minimize this problem) and it's not a problem most of the time. BUT it maybe that 1:1000 time when it is an aspiration will help you identify you're not in a good spot before it's a problem. For all the people using small gauge needles (30G and smaller) you can't really aspirate well those.

I use 25G or 23G ..

No, I never said not to aspirate. I was just pointing out
that I never do and with all my injections, there had to be
one time I hit a vein.

Maybe the times I had pain right after and
for day or 2 after, or when I had blood come out.

I started doing what another guy here said he does.
When the pin goes in all the way .. inject .. then pull
the pin out just enough to close the tissue around it
for a few seconds keep it there, then pull it all the way out.

The first few times I did it, I didn't get the usual oil coming out
but a couple times after, I did.

I like pulling the skin to the side just before injecting,
then injecting, then pulling out the pin, then letting the
skin go back over the whole.. If that even works. It seems to
when I get the chance to do it, but it's hard to do when I do shoulder
shots alot.

My best spots are outer thighs. I use 25g 1in pins those
and I can get 6 spots easily spread out

 

[MANWHORE]

i really dont know why you dont aspirate, its crazy not to, it only takes a second to check.

It's not that important to me. ..

Kind of like throwing on a condom
before sex.. Takes too long, so I never
do it ..

Did I mention my girlfriend is pregnant?

 

[chronological]

The part of statistics people don't understand - even if your chance of respiratory complications is relatively low at 1 in 10,000.....someone has to be the "one" and when it actually happens their low theoretical statistical chance isn't going to make them feel any better about it.

That's 100% backwards. The part of statistics people don't understand is precisely that even if the consequences of an event are catastrophic, a rational approach to risk dictates you must *also* take into account the probability of the event occurring.

If you don't take that approach -- if instead you take the approach that says "Yes I know it's a small risk, but I won't care about that if it happens to me" -- then you will be making sub-optimal decisions all across your life.

And that instinct is corrosive, not just personally but in society overall. People scared about unlikely events can be manipulated by politicians who use fear to subdue. This is why Franklin said, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

And yet today we get felt up at airports and told we can't bring shampoo.

Wait. What were we talking about again??