Activis/Watson-Test Cypionate 200mg- HPLC- Jano

[SkankHunt]

What the fuck are fruity dyno bites?

 

[Mcflyfast]

What the fuck are fruity dyno bites?

I think that is the knock off Walmart brand of Fruity pebbles LOL

 

[WeightLossBurn]

I PMd you.

Please PM me as well...

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Prove the deca? I can only say from experience but 300mg pharma deca is better then 500mg UGL deca. And yea 750mg of Zydus sustanon is the most I can handle but with UGL I need about 1g to get the same result. I use hood UGL I use Balkan pharmaceuticals. Bro ask 10 people 9/10 will say the pharma is better. U ever wonder why pros from the 80s and 90s used Less gear? Cuz it was pharma grade shit so they didn’t need as much. Is better quality it’s like comparing fruity pebbles to fruity dyno bites.. same ingredients same fucking thing yet fruity pebbles are better

So feelz and ask other other people?
Why ask? There's a slew of blood work in the testing section that contradicts everything you're claiming.

Either you're incorrect or everyone that's ever claimed 1:1 results is lying.

Same for @Mcflyfast feelz and gainz, gainz and feelz. Something less subjective than the way you perceive yourself in the mirror at two distinctly different times would be great.

And please don't start with the has-been pro's and their dosages nonsense. You'll just be going down another anecdotal rabbit hole with "i heard so so took this much..."

Tell me, either of you, what is the special magic ingredient in pharma gear that make even pseudopharma labs like Balkan 25% less effective?

Let's see. Looking at the test results above it looks like pharma uses accurately measured API along with ba, bb and some oil. i don't see pixie dust or extract of magic bean listed anywhere. Someone email Jano and ask him if he has reference standards for those, please and thank you.

Do you know what's 25% more effective than both pharma and pseudopharma? Placebo effect!

 

[Avnj5]

Dude, they tried that with me too. I told them I want Hikma not that SunPharma shit lmao

I remember guys around my area getting sun on script and they had very poor levels. Westward at 100 mg twice a week puts me at 700 ng/dl. 150 twice a week gets me at 937. But I metabolize this stuff very fast. If I posted those labs people would say I had bunk product. But it was picked up Costco with my script. Best levels I saw on labs have been from omnadren 250 and Balkan sustamed amps afew years ago.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I remember guys around my area getting sun on script and they had very poor levels. Westward at 100 mg twice a week puts me at 700 ng/dl. 150 twice a week gets me at 937. But I metabolize this stuff very fast. If I posted those labs people would say I had bunk product. But it was picked up Costco with my script. Best levels I saw on labs have been from omnadren 250 and Balkan sustamed amps afew years ago.

Wait, better results with pseudopharma Balkan than from legit pharma? Sun must have left out the pixie dust on those batches.

So much for the pharma is superior to UGL debate 1 post up. With that i rest my case. Thank you for your post.

 

[Themassterplan]

Did I feel a difference between Pharma and UGL? Yes, I believe so.
Am I saying UGL doesn’t work? Heck no. Some UGL stuff is amazing.
Is it the end of the world if you can’t get Pharma? Not at all.
Maybe I’m wrong and it’s a placebo like @MisterSuperGod said. Who knows?

 

[Avnj5]

Wait, better results with pseudopharma Balkan than from legit pharma? Sun must have left out the pixie dust on those batches.

So much for the pharma is superior to UGL debate 1 post up. With that i rest my case. Thank you for your post.

I use pharmacy grade as much as possible. And Defenitly comfortable with Balkan and even alpha pharma I even remember about 7-8 years ago the doc asking me if I was using my testosterone when he looked at my labs and that was with Pfizer test depo and I was at sub 500 wtf. But My body goes through this stuff fast. Need 300-350 a week for trt. Guess that makes me “on cycle” to some lol when I know guys who take half that and get higher levels then I do on 350. Something to think about here. I tested amps of omnadren and aspen sust with jano 2 years ago. Omna had 275 per ml and 1.2 ml in the amp. No wonder they carry such a reputation. Aspen has 265. Had at least 1.2 ml inside.

 

[lifter6973]

@SkankHunt testing is on point but I highly doubt that is real pharma cyp unless it is a personal script.
It is a counterfeit albeit dosed correctly in all likelihood.
Most of those pharma counterfeits you pay a premium for so they better fucking be dosed correctly.

 

[Themassterplan]

@SkankHunt testing is on point but I highly doubt that is real pharma cyp unless it is a personal script.
It is a counterfeit albeit dosed correctly in all likelihood.
Most of those pharma counterfeits you pay a premium for so they better fucking be dosed correctly.

What gives it away? Don’t know much about pharma counterfeits and it looks just like every Watson I’ve ever gotten from a pharmacy. Tried to look for something out of place but didn’t see anything.

 

[lifter6973]

What gives it away? Don’t know much about pharma counterfeits and it looks just like every Watson I’ve ever gotten from a pharmacy. Tried to look for something out of place but didn’t see anything.

I bet their are differences in Activis size and even color tops and copyright sign.
I have Watson Cyp from the pharmacy from a few years back and some supposed Watson Cyp from a source. They look identical except the size of 'Watson' and the copyright sign is much much smaller on the counterfeit.

The ones going around today, I could not be sure as I have none.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I use pharmacy grade as much as possible. And Defenitly comfortable with Balkan and even alpha pharma I even remember about 7-8 years ago the doc asking me if I was using my testosterone when he looked at my labs and that was with Pfizer test depo and I was at sub 500 wtf. But My body goes through this stuff fast. Need 300-350 a week for trt. Guess that makes me “on cycle” to some lol when I know guys who take half that and get higher levels then I do on 350. Something to think about here. I tested amps of omnadren and aspen sust with jano 2 years ago. Omna had 275 per ml and 1.2 ml in the amp. No wonder they carry such a reputation. Aspen has 265. Had at least 1.2 ml inside.

Interesting thought here. Could the gear from some of these UGLs SEEM less effective at the same dosage as pharma because they're being metabolized at a faster rate?

i'm not sure if that's how it works to be honest, what with half lives and esters and all that shit.

@Test_Subject you're pretty knowledgeable. Do you think that such a theory could hold water or am i incorrect in my hypothesis?

 

[lifter6973]

Interesting thought here. Could the gear from some of these UGLs SEEM less effective at the same dosage as pharma because they're being metabolized at a faster rate?

i'm not sure if that's how it works to be honest, what with half lives and esters and all that shit.

@Test_Subject you're pretty knowledgeable. Do you think that such a theory could hold water or am i incorrect in my hypothesis?

interesting thought process MSG. Not pharmacy but I was on a sponsor's gear at 600 mg per week and after 4 weeks and 7 days after last pin, I tested near 4,000 total test on bloods.
I had switched from another brand to the source so not like I went from nothing to 600 mg per week. However, I was thinking by the way I felt and how my training was going that my total t might show the test was underdosed. I was shocked when I saw the results. I swear I have tested at 1500 total t before and may have even felt a bit stronger. I don't get it really.

 

[Avnj5]

Interesting thought here. Could the gear from some of these UGLs SEEM less effective at the same dosage as pharma because they're being metabolized at a faster rate?

i'm not sure if that's how it works to be honest, what with half lives and esters and all that shit.

@Test_Subject you're pretty knowledgeable. Do you think that such a theory could hold water or am i incorrect in my hypothesis?

I think these thinner oils used by ugl can cause huge swings In levels between injections.

 

[NLM36]

What I can tell you is that I was using Balkan Pharmaceuticals Cipandrol amps prior before fully prescribed TRT by my doctor. (Same lot you tested for @cadafi and tested too by Simec) dose was also at 100mg every 5 days no variables changed, same training, same meal frequency, and bloodtest stayed consistent at 700ng/dl.

Switched from those to Actavis at the same dose and injection frequency and I am at a consistent 900+

@janoshik you talked once in depth about Delta variants, and how big Pharmaceutical companies neglect a batch if it goes over the 5% margin. Could this have anything to do with the end result of the medication or just affect the amount of PIP?

There could be a lot of things not ugl vs pharm. test is test. The type oil, where you inject, bf%, etc can cause the lower testosterone. There’s a myriad of factors that people don’t realize. DR. Scott Stevenson was talking about this on muscle minds.
Pharma isn’t any different than ugl and long as it’s properly doses.
When you buy testosterone ugl just make sure it’s made with the same type of oil.

 

[Mcflyfast]

There could be a lot of things not ugl vs pharm. test is test. The type oil, where you inject, bf%, etc can cause the lower testosterone. There’s a myriad of factors that people don’t realize. DR. Scott Stevenson was talking about this on muscle minds.
Pharma isn’t any different than ugl and long as it’s properly doses.
When you buy testosterone ugl just make sure it’s made with the same type of oil.

Yes I know all this, the carrier oil, the Bf levels all that.

I talked to him about this at the Arnold when he had a group seminar with John Meadows.

 

[Mcflyfast]

@SkankHunt testing is on point but I highly doubt that is real pharma cyp unless it is a personal script.
It is a counterfeit albeit dosed correctly in all likelihood.
Most of those pharma counterfeits you pay a premium for so they better fucking be dosed correctly.

I can guarantee you they are not lol

I bet their are differences in Activis size and even color tops and copyright sign.
I have Watson Cyp from the pharmacy from a few years back and some supposed Watson Cyp from a source. They look identical except the size of 'Watson' and the copyright sign is much much smaller on the counterfeit.

The ones going around today, I could not be sure as I have none.

I can bet you there are no differences as I have my script and the ones @SkankHunt have and they are IDENTICAL. Plus, @SkankHunt and I know where they are coming from... The guy has access to a few time to time.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Iv spend much time trying to figure this out as i feel the same!
Pharma feels much better overall and has better result with less gear.
Would be interesting to know why!
Hope someone smarter than me can figure it
out.

 

[NLM36]

I get the same lab results from the ugl that I use as I do with pharm. the difference is price and and Watson gives me pip. I don’t do well with grape seed or cotton seed oil.
you guys are most definitely experiencing placebo

 

[Mcflyfast]

Interesting thought here. Could the gear from some of these UGLs SEEM less effective at the same dosage as pharma because they're being metabolized at a faster rate?

i'm not sure if that's how it works to be honest, what with half lives and esters and all that shit.

@Test_Subject you're pretty knowledgeable. Do you think that such a theory could hold water or am i incorrect in my hypothesis?

I was going to say this next with most UGLs using synthetic carrier oils its probably how my body processes it. I agree there are alot of factors.

Also one thing I will say is that these carrier oils from pharma grade are thicker so maybe it has to do with less of peak as opposed to thinner oils from UGLs.

Great topic for discussion.