Activis/Watson-Test Cypionate 200mg- HPLC- Jano

[AlwaysHungry]

Pharmacists and doctor call ugl oils and tablets as POISONS

 

[Night_Owl]

Pharma likely has many methods to increase absorption and bioavailability.

Micronization of the particles could be an example.

The ingredients would be the same but the process and details are different.

 

[Themassterplan]

I have some thoughts as to why Pharma MAY be better.
The first is obvious: Billion dollar multi national pharmaceutical conglomerate with millions of dollars worth of equipment is going to have better QA than Rob who bought some raws and is brewing in the kitchen while the missus took the kids out.

2. Because they have better QA, I would imagine we’re injecting less impurities. Yes, 200mg of test is 200mg of test but I’ve always heard that these Chinese raws have large amounts of metals in them. Wouldn’t there be an argument to make in saying that your body probably functions better without heavy metals/bacteria/other impurities?
Or maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about lol. Who knows..

 

[B Ware]

Does your insurance cover it?

Does mine

 

[GuerillaPete]

I always thought it has to do with the oil being thick and that makes the absorption of the test slower and maybe more available(usable to the body) or it could be the purity also and no contaminants!
Its clear that many have had the same experience!
Now im wondering the guys that say they dont feel the difference do they have fake pharma(working copies ) or they just simply dont feel it ?

 

[SkankHunt]

Does mine

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Retail price of $122. Nice mine will be a cheaper lmao

 

[B Ware]

Retail price of $122. Nice mine will be a cheaper lmao

Weird the way insurance works. For two years I was getting 4- 1ml vials a month and it cost $7. Now I get 1- 10ml vial every 2 months and it cost $10.

 

[NLM36]

I always thought it has to do with the oil being thick and that makes the absorption of the test slower and maybe more available(usable to the body) or it could be the purity also and no contaminants!
Its clear that many have had the same experience!
Now im wondering the guys that say they dont feel the difference do they have fake pharma(working copies ) or they just simply dont feel it ?

I can get a script from my clinic and I can go to the pharmacy to get it.
Experience is another way to say feeling. Lots of people experience all sorts of things that aren’t real. Go to any charismatic church on Sunday at anytime or watch any mega church with faith healers. It’s meaningless

 

[janoshik]

Pharma likely has many methods to increase absorption and bioavailability.

Micronization of the particles could be an example.

The ingredients would be the same but the process and details are different.

You don't really micronize something that is already dissolved.

I’ve always heard that these Chinese raws have large amounts of metals in them. Wouldn’t there be an argument to make in saying that your body probably functions better without heavy metals

Given that no test ever confirmed that and usually people spreading that exact info are a) regurgitating without verification b) peddling pharma/fake pharma gear I'm inclined to strongly disagree.

 

[lifter6973]

It's better because...? You never actually got around to explaining that without relying on feelz reports and anecdotes.

Here's one for you. My car is faster than yours because it's black. i have no proof, but it just is, period.

Good luck with your placebo feelz and gainz, junior.

You racist bastard. Everyone knows white cars are the fastest.

 

[B Ware]

I’ve said this quite a few times but will say so again since it’s being discussed. Most of the year I run ugl testcyp and just stock pile my phamra. I feel absolutely no different taking ugl than I do taking pharma. When I pull labs they are identical as well. The only thing I do worry about that others have mentioned is that ugl doesn’t get tested as throughly as phamra and it is usually made in a kitchen rather than a facility. Meaning there is likely contamination or metals, etc in the raws themselves. Very soon I plan on making the switch to straight pharma tcyp just for peace of mind. As far as members thinking phamra is superior, ehh not on bloodwork or feelz. At least not for me.

 

[Turdburgalar]

I think maybe what you are missing here is meso doesn't really like to rely on feels over facts. Nobody is saying ug gear is better than pharma, but pharma grade gear isn't necessarily better than ug either.

All you have presented is anecdotal evidence that pharm test is better and less is supposedly needed. Fluctuations in blood levels are possible and do indeed happen, hence the need to run blood tests regularly. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean it was because the test was more pure or some shit or your levels were even higher.

Running pharm gear gives a certain piece of mind that you don't necessarily get when you buy from the black market.

Maybe the pharm gear you were running was over dosed and over filled like the post mentioned above this.

Carrier oils obviously play a role. The fact that pharma uses castor oil for test undecanoate helps to slow the release vs brewing it in gso or mct.

I tend to agree that placebo effect is most likely the biggest difference.

I get what ur saying man I was just like u until I started using only pharma and what a difference in every way. There is no difference in the chemical or amount of it I just really think that pharmaceutical companies can get a better raw product and it’s made in a better way or something there is no other explanation for it. NOW with that being said Balkan pharmaceuticals used to be really really good like back before 2010 I felt their shit was just as good as pharma and same with British dispensary orals we’re incredible but it seems like quality of gear overall has went down the past 10 years but pharma still seems to be on point. All I know it when I switched from UGL to pharma I noticed a difference

 

[Turdburgalar]

Nice edit and still meaningless. Lol again you are the example of people who are too stupid to realize they’re wrong. Millions of bodybuilders who are educated in what?
there are millions of people who believe that they talk to an invisible sky person who answers prayers belief and opinion isn’t fact, it isn’t evidence and it isn’t education.
I know people who use lots of drugs but it doesn’t make them an expert in how they’re made or function in the body

Dude look at everyone agreeing with me. Oh wait I know what it is.. Uve never run pharma gear have u? Cuz If u have u would be agreeing with me cuz it is better. Actually how about this why don’t u go get some pharma sustanon, some pharma deca, some pharma AI and some pharma anadrol. Combine all of that and make a cycle and run that and then come back and tell me it’s not better. Oh yea u won’t cuz u will be thanking me for telling u do to it cuz it’ll be the best cycle since ur first.

 

[Turdburgalar]

Not all of them. Now you’re reaching.

Ok so I explain to me why Dorian yates only used 3 maybe 4 amps of pharma test a week? And he only used 3 amps of primo and 3 amps of parabolan.. why? Cuz u don’t need that much when it’s pharma! I keep telling u this pharma is better I can’t even handle 4 amps of pharma test it’s so stronf

 

[janoshik]

Ok so I explain to me why Dorian yates only used 3 maybe 4 amps of pharma test a week? And he only used 3 amps of primo and 3 amps of parabolan.. why? Cuz u don’t need that much when it’s pharma! I keep telling u this pharma is better I can’t even handle 4 amps of pharma test it’s so stronf

Mate, I have no horse nor care in this fight, but I know dozens of pros and the shit they say vs the shit they do...

You really shouldn't try to make a point in the way that you do.

 

[malfeasance]

Teva bought Aller

Does mine

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You must have very expensive insurance.

 

[malfeasance]

on the other hand costs more because it has a patent ! We don't know the patent. BUT FDA know the patent so that's why they price it more.
Because the cost of production is more vs generics.

Now you can't see the patent because if you could there wouldn't be a patent.

Just like coca cola has a secret recipe ??

It's exactly the same with big brand name drugs.

Coca Cola never patented just so that they can protect their formulation. Once you patent, it is available in the public domain. Patents last 20 years. For drugs, there are also periods of exclusivity separate from the patent.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that your analogy was off. Patent = not secret.

 

[graciebjj]

Ok so I explain to me why Dorian yates only used 3 maybe 4 amps of pharma test a week? And he only used 3 amps of primo and 3 amps of parabolan.. why? Cuz u don’t need that much when it’s pharma! I keep telling u this pharma is better I can’t even handle 4 amps of pharma test it’s so stronf

1. "Legends" of Bodybuilding are infamous for "back in my day..." statements. Doesn't make them accurate or true. It's possible Dorian was only using 2g of gear a week (which... is still a lot...), it's possible he is misremembering either intentionally or otherwise.
2. Plenty of incredible looking pros now who are using exclusively UGL products, or UGL gear + Pharma GH, and so on
3. When guys like Cbum claim they're using less than a gram of (UGL) gear people just accuse them of lying anyways

There's really no way of winning when trying to have a conversation with someone like you. You'll either ignore the possibility that dorian is lying, you'll discredit the current pros who are using UGL gear, or you'll accuse the ones who claim to use even lower doses of UGL gear as being liars.

Stick to your pharma test, no one really cares.

 

[Turdburgalar]

Mate, I have no horse nor care in this fight, but I know dozens of pros and the shit they say vs the shit they do...

You really shouldn't try to make a point in the way that you do.

Idk about u but I believe the guys from the 80s and 90s except Sean ray and lee priest saying he does 1 amp every 3 months. But dorians cycle sounded legit to me 4 amps sustanon, 3 amps primo, 3 amps parabolan, 30-40mg anavar and 8 iu gh. That sounds legit to me

 

[Turdburgalar]

1. "Legends" of Bodybuilding are infamous for "back in my day..." statements. Doesn't make them accurate or true. It's possible Dorian was only using 2g of gear a week (which... is still a lot...), it's possible he is misremembering either intentionally or otherwise.
2. Plenty of incredible looking pros now who are using exclusively UGL products, or UGL gear + Pharma GH, and so on
3. When guys like Cbum claim they're using less than a gram of (UGL) gear people just accuse them of lying anyways

There's really no way of winning when trying to have a conversation with someone like you. You'll either ignore the possibility that dorian is lying, you'll discredit the current pros who are using UGL gear, or you'll accuse the ones who claim to use even lower doses of UGL gear as being liars.

Stick to your pharma test, no one really cares.

I’m not saying UGL is bad at all dude I’ve used it many times I’m just saying pharma is better that’s all. And I believe cbum and iain why would they lie? Maybe u are misunderstanding me or I’m wording it wrong but I’m not bashing UGL or guys who use it I use it all the time I’m about to start a cycle with primo from pharmaqo cuz I don’t want to drop hundreds on primo