Adrenal Fatigue & Glucocorticoid Use

This is going to be another one of those diagnosis/treatments that no one will post any support for in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. While the stupid use of 24-hour urine testing for TRT is not directly harmful, except to the pocketbook, the use of glucocorticoid (GC) therapy does have harmful and debilitating side effects. It is always curious how people will subject themselves to drugs in order to "feel better" without any basis.

Patient reported outcomes (PRO) are often used as a clinical endpoint for treatment, but there must be an established and validated test for these findings. Apparently, no one, again, can direct the forum readers to this evidence. For those who are willing to subject themselves to GC therapy, have any of you had baseline body composition testing, especially bone mineral density. I will follow up with studies on GC-induced osteoporosis (GIOP). The study findings are sure to be a surprise and a wake-up call for many.
 
How about stating how much glucocorticoids you use on a daily basis? As far as evidence, can you direct me to a peer-reviewed article supporting the use of these drugs for "adrenal fatigue" or even something vaguely similar? If you have the book, it should be chock filled with references! Finally, I have seen an average or typical HC doses around 20-40 mg/day. Is that about right?



I think it's more like 10-30 mg.
 
William Jefferies, M.D., professor emeritus of internal medicine at the University of Virginia.

below are key points pulled from Jeffries book. Of course, there is much more in the book,

SAFE USES OF CORTISOL by William McK. Jeffries 3rd Edition

Chapter 1-Background

The first chapter discusses the history of our knowledge of cortisone and cortisol. In 1929, Dr. Hench figured out that rheumatoid arthritis disappeared because of a normal adrenocortical response after surgery, pregnancy and other situations. They didn’t multi-dose then, and used much larger amounts than needed. We now know that smaller dosages of cortisone or cortisol are effective and may take ten to 14 days to produce impressive improvement in arthritis. Because they used such large doses of cortisol in treatment, side effects occurred, and the presumption was made that any dosage of any glucocorticoid would have potentially hazardous and undesirable effects. “For over thirty years, physicians have been indoctrinated with this concept.”

Chapter 2

1) It is not generally realized that the dangerous side effects of glucocorticoid therapy occur only with certain dosages and not with others. That there is a tremendous difference between the effects of small “physiologic” dosages and those of larger “pharmacologic” dosages (larger than 40mg) has not been emphasized. 11 When applied to hormone actions, a “physiologic” dosage implies one that promotes normal function, whereas a “pharmacologic” dosage is one in excess of normal requirements and hence, one that might alter normal function. 12

2) Physiologic studies indicate that the average daily production of cortisol by human adrenals under basal conditions is approximately 15-20 mg, but this dosage will not maintain a totally adrenalectomized patient. 35-40 mg daily is necessary to inhibit endogenous adrenal steroid production to zero, and this dosage will satisfactorily maintain an adrenalectomized patient with a minimum of supplementary sodium-retaining steroid. Taken by mouth, even in divided doses, cortisone acetate or cortisol is only approx. 60% as efficient as when the hormone is naturally produced by the adrenals or released directly into the blood. 13 (the last statement makes you wonder about doing cortisol sublingually! Janie)

3) It has been demonstrated that when subjects with intact adrenals receive less than full replacement dosages of cortisol, endogenous adrenal function is suppressed only sufficiently to achieve a normal glucocorticoid level. For example, subjects receiving 20 mg (5 mg. four times) daily of cortisol have their endogenous adrenal steroid production decreased by approx. 60%, and subjects receiving 10 mg. (2.5 mg. four times) daily have their adrenal steroid production decreased by approx. 30%. The residual functioning tissue is adequate for apparently normal responses to stresses such as respiratory or gastrointestinal infections or even major surgery, but because their hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) response to stress might be impaired, and because of recent evidence that at least some autoimmune disorders are associated with a defective HPA response to stress, it seems advisable to supplement their cortisol dosages at times of any increased stress and especially at times of surgery or similar severe stress as in patients with more severe adrenocortical deficiency. 14

Subreplacement dosages also avoid the complete suppression of endogenous adrenal androgen production that probably causes a higher incidence in women than in men of undesirable side effects such as osteoporosis when larger dosages are taken for long periods. Many patients who need subreplacement dosages have low adrenal reserve, so the administration of such dosages actually improves the adrenals’ ability to respond to stress in these cases. 14

4) The schedule of administering cortisol every eight hours or four times daily is followed because of evidence that normal blood levels and some metabolic effects of a single dose of cortisol do not last longer than 8 hours. For practical purposes, dividing the total daily dosage into four parts taken before each meal and at bedtime has two advantages. It is easier for a patient to remember to take a medication at these times than at other times, and the ingestion of food tends to counteract the development of acid indigestion from the cortisol. For the bedtime dose, patients are instructed to drink milk or take an antacid with the medication. 15-16 (from Janie–In Wilson’s book, Adrenal Fatigue 21st Century, he recommends the following: 12 mg. first thing in the morning, then 5 mgs at noon, then 2 mgs at 3 pm, and finally 1 mg at 6 pm. That better follows the normal rhythm.)

5) Why should most physicians be unaware of the safety of small physiologic dosages?
1. There has been no promotion of physiologic dosages by pharmaceutical companies.
2. There has been little, if any, discrimination between the effects of physiologic vs. pharmacologic dosages.
3. There is a tendency to confuse cortisone and cortisol with there more potent derivatives, such as prednisone, prednisolone, dex, etc. 18-19

Chapter 3- The Significance of Normal Adrenocortical Function

6) Four known types of steroids of the cortex are: glucocorticoid, mineralocorticoid (aldosterone), androgen, and estrogen, (plus an unknown probable other).,

Glucocorticoid has one of its chief actions stimulation of the formation of glucose from non-carbohydrate sources such as amino acids from protein, a process known as gluconeogenesis. This is a vital effect in the maintenance of normal levels of blood glucose when food intake is irregular, since low blood sugar is incompatible with normal function of the brain, muscles or other tissues. 25-26

7) It has been recognized for many years that patients with adrenal insufficiency not only are more susceptible to low levels of serum sodium, with resulting hypotension and shock, but are also more susceptible to pathologic sodium retention from excessive amounts of salt or of sodium-retaining steroids, such as aldosterone, desoxycorticosterone, or 9-alpha-fluorohydrocortisone, suggesting that the adrenals might produce a substance that protects against sodium retention. 27

Two hormones produced normally by the ovaries, progesterone and 17-hydrozyprogesterone, have been demonstrated to have natriuretic properties (from Janie: causing salt to be eliminated from the body through urine, lowering blood pressure) and they are known intermediary steroids in adrenal cortices in the pathway of production of cortisol, occurring in excess in certain types of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, but the possibility that they might aid in normal water balance has apparently not been investigated. 27

9) A person who sleeps from 11 pm to 7 am has a maximum level of cortisol in his or her blood at approx. 8 am, then it gradually decreases through the day and evening, reaching a low point at approx. 1 am, following which it increases progressively during sleep to reach it’s max again at 8 am. The peak daily level of plasma-cortisol in a normal individual is usually between 20 and 30 mcg and the lowest level is between 5 and 10 mcg. 28

10) The production of cortisol is primarily regulated by the production of ACTH/corticotrophin by the pituitary, which is in turn controlled by the production of corticotrophin-releasing factor (CRF) by the hypothalamus. The production of DHEA seems to be only partly regulated by ACTH, but its
control is less well understood.

11) A patient with untreated mild adrenal insufficiency or low adrenal reserve may function reasonable well when environmental conditions are optimum but tends to tire more easily, and if strenuous physical exercise is undertaken or a meal skipped, hypoglycemic symptoms may develop. If an infection such as a common cold develops, symptoms tend to be more severe and last longer than in a person with normal adrenocortical reserve. These undesirable developments may be prevented by administration of suitable, safe, physiologic dosages of cortisol. It has also been demonstrated that normal adrenocortical function is essential for optimum ability to withstand infections, numerous studies having indicated that either too little or too much glucocorticoid can impair resistance to infection, whereas an optimum level of cortisol enhances resistance to infection. 29

12) It is suggested that adrenal production of glucocorticoids is related to body size and fat composition. 31

Chapter 4 – GENERALLY ACCEPTED USES OF PHYSIOLOGIC DOSAGES

13) Adrenal insufficiency can be manifested by hyperpigmentation of the skin, weakness, fatigue, anorexia, and susceptibility to collapse and shock with exposure to stress. Adrenal insufficiency resulting from an autoimmune phenomenon have become more common diagnoses. 33

14) When cortisone and ACTH became available for human use in 1948, these hormones first attracted worldwide attention by their dramatic beneficial effects on patients with rheumatoid arthritis. The dosages employed were large, however and produced catastrophic side effects….33

15) Meanwhile, experience with the use of small, safe, physiologic dosages of cortisol in patients with ovarian dysfunction and infertility revealed that patients with associated allergies, chronic fatigue or autoimmune disorders also reported improvement in these conditions while taking the steroid, without experiencing any undesirable side effects. These results were published in a leading medical journal, but the reputation of glucocorticoids had become so bad that they received little attention. 34

16) Hence, the diagnosis and treatment of mild adrenocortical deficiency, a condition that is rarely mentioned in medical textbooks, has become important for all practicing physicians to recognize. It may be primary, resulting from inadequate production of cortisol by the adrenals and sometimes termed “low adrenal reserve”, or it may be secondary to inadequate stimulation of the adrenals by ACTH from the pituitary or by corticotrophin releasing factor (CRF) from the hypothalamus. Another possible cause of symptoms of cortisol deficiency is a defect in the cellular receptors (i.e. cellular resistance) for cortisol causing associated normal or elevated levels of plasma cortisol. 34

17) Recent reports have presented evidence that patients with rheumatoid arthritis and several other autoimmune disorders have abnormal responses of the HPA axes to stress, so the possibility that the development of these disorders might be related to defective HPA responses seems likely. This would explain the beneficial effects of small, physiologic dosages of cortisol that have been observed in some of these patients and support the advisability of testing the integrity of this axis and the use of therapeutic trials with safe, physiologic dosages of cortisol in patients with these disorders. 35

18 } It is preferable to have these tests run in the morning after the patient has had adequate sleep and has not taken for a sufficient interval of time any glucocorticoid or other medication that might affect adrenal function or blood levels of cortisol, but helpful information can be obtained by running them at any time of day. A more sensitive low dose Cortrosyn test (what we call the STIM test—Janie) has been suggested for the diagnosis of mild adrenal deficiency, but because therapeutic trials are usually justified, even in patients with apparently normal tests, sometimes it is preferable to delay further testing until a therapeutic trial has been made, especially if it might avoid otherwise unnecessary hospitalization. 36

19) It is important to be aware that test results that fall within the “normal range” do not rule out the possibility that a patient might have mild adrenal deficiency since the normal range was probably obtained from a group of people who did not have classical Addison’s disease or hypopituitarism or any other known physical disorder and is rather broad. Hence, it might include persons with chronic allergies or other conditions that may be associated with mild adrenal deficiency. Furthermore, as previously mentioned, mild adrenal deficiency can occur secondary to inadequate stimulation by ACTH from the pituitary or by CRF from the hypothalamus. These patients have low normal baseline blood cortisol levels that respond normally to Cortrosyn, but still improve with physiologic dosage of cortisol. Hence, results of Cortrosyn tests within the normal range do not exclude the possibility that patients might benefit from cortisol therapy, so a therapeutic trial might still be justified. 36

20) The baseline cortisol test is an example of the impossibility of having strict end points in designating normal ranges of hormone levels, especially for a dynamic hormone such as cortisol, whose levels may fluctuate from minute to minute depending upon the degree of stress in addition to diurnal variation. Hence, patients with adrenal insufficiency may have plasma cortisol levels within low normal range, especially in the afternoon and evening, and patients with hyperadrenalism may have plasma cortisol levels within upper normal range in the morning. It is there possible that milder degrees of low adrenal reserve may not be detected unless Cortrosyn tests are performed in the morning at a time when baseline cortisol levels are maximum. Furthermore, patients vary in the susceptibility to various degrees of stress, including the stress of having injections and blood tests, so these factors must be considered in interpreting the results of tests. Hence, a diagnosis of mild adrenocortical deficiency should depend primarily on the clinical picture and therapeutic trials are often justified even when the results of tests fall within the normal range. 37

21) It should be emphasized that a “normal” baseline plasma cortisol and response to Cortrosyn does not rule out the possibility that a patient might improve with a physiologic dosage of cortisol, so for patient with disorders that suggest the possibility of mild adrenal deficiency, therapeutic trials with a small, subreplacement dosage of cortisol might still be helpful. 38

22) Because spontaneous adrenal insufficiency results from progressive destruction of adrenal tissue, symptoms appear when the process reaches the point where remaining adrenal tissue is insufficient to maintain normal well-being. This may require destruction of over 90% of the glandular tissue, but the remnant is capable of some function, so replacement dosages of cortisol in chronic adrenal insufficiency are usually less than the 35-40 mg daily that are required for the totally adrenalectomized patients. Most patients can be maintained on between 20 and 30 mgs. daily in divided doses. Although some patients may feel well on less than 20 mg. daily, it seems preferable to give at least this much cortisol, even to patients with low adrenal reserve, because it takes the strain off of the residual adrenal tissue and provides for more functional reserve in times of stress. Under some circumstances, it appears to provide an opportunity for residual tissue to regenerate. A few patients with low reserve have demonstrated evidence of recovery of reserve after months of even years of such treatment, but most seem to require some replacement for the remainder of their lives. 39

23) Widely recommended is 2/3rds of the daily dosage before breakfast and 1/3 after supper, but patients have preferred four divided doses. This is not surprising in view of the evidence that the half-life of cortisol in the blood is only 100 minutes, and some metabolic effects of even large doses do not last longer than 8 hours. Four divided doses produce more energy and less fatigue. 39-40

24) Although a lower dosage at supper time is logical and seems to diminish a tendency to insomnia that occurs in some patients, a lower dosage at bedtime is not always desirable because with normal diurnal variation the plasma cortisol level rises during sleep to reach a peak shortly after awakening in the morning. It also results in a need to get up and void once or twice during the night. 41

25) Patients with chronic adrenocortical deficiency can usually be well maintained with cortisol, 5 or 7.5 mg orally before each meal and at bedtime. 41

26) Package inserts for cortisol still do not mention the differences between physiologic and pharmacologic dosages and effects, implying that any of the many alarming side-effects that are listed may occur. 42-43

27) When a patient with adrenal insufficiency encounters stress, additional cortisol is necessary to maintain normal health and sense of well-being. 41 Higher dosages of cortisol are required to maintain a physiologic state that would produce hypercortisolism with it’s well-known undesirable effects in the unstressed states. The increased secretion of adrenal hormones serves to meet an increased need during stress and trends to maintain homeostasis rather than to disturb it. The increased secretion does not cause a state of hypercorticism such as develops when the titer of these hormones is increased artificially in the absence of need. Hence, a patient with adrenal insufficiency under stress may require dosages of cortisol to maintain a physiologic state that would produce hypercortisolism with its well-known undesirable effects in the unstressed state. 44-45

28) Patients with adrenal insufficiency should be cautioned to carry ID cards stating their diagnosis, treatment, etc.

29) In some respects, patients taking cortisol seem to be healthier than many persons without adrenal insufficiency in that they often appear to have more energy, less fatigue, and a greater resistance to at least some types of infection. 46

MILD ADRENOCORTICAL DEFICIENCY

30) As mentioned previously, mild adrenocortical deficiency, either primary (low adrenal reserve) or secondary to inadequate stimulation by the pituitary or the hypothalamus is another clinical disorder in which physiologic dosages of cortisol have a rational roles in therapy. Low adrenal reserve is characterized by a subnormal response to ACTH with baseline plasma cortisol level within normal range. Because of their residual adrenocortical function, patients with this disorder can sometimes omit the bedtime dose of cortisol. Mild secondary adrenocortical deficiency is characterized by a baseline plasma cortisol level either low or in the low normal range, but with a normal response to Cortrosyn stimulation. 54

31) “Thirty-six years ago, I reported the beneficial effects of physiologic dosages of cortisone acetate or cortisol on two patients with rheumatoid arthritis, with evidence that patients with rheumatoid arthritis seemed to have lower excretion of dehydroepiandrosterone in their urine and, hence, might have a mild abnormality of steroid metabolism. A review of the literature fails to reveal any attempts by others to confirm these observations or even any comment on them. The benefit of low dosage glucocorticoid therapy in menopausal arthritis is exemplified in Case 6 in Chapter 4, and patients with other nonspecific types of arthritis have reported impressive improvement in arthritic symptoms when this treatment was administered for associated problems.” (Five detailed case histories follow) 90

32) Because of the onset and aggravation of rheumatoid arthritis after periods of increased stress, it is probably important not only to increase the dosage of cortisol commensurate with the degree of increased stress, but also, as soon as optimum benefit is obtained, to taper the dosage to maintenance levels as quickly as possible without causing a return of symptoms. 100

Chapter 7 – ALLERGIC DISORDER

33) Patients with seasonal allergies may benefit from taking small, physiologic dosages of cortisol in the spring or autumn, with temporary increases depending upon the severity of symptoms. 110

34) Patients who were receiving physiologic dosages of cortisol began to report that they seemed to get fewer colds than other members of their families, often escaping completely when everyone else in the family had been ill. 128

35) A possible explanation of the contrasting effects of physiologic vs. pharmacologic dosage of glucocorticoids upon resistance to respiratory infections might be as follows: Normally the body maintains levels of cortisol and immune globulins sufficient to protect against average daily exposure to infection. The lowering of resistance that follows various stresses such as excessive fatigue, lack of sleep, or emotional upset is accompanied by a relative deficiency of cortisol that causes malaise and anorexia, and evidence of infection develops. When the person is able to produce sufficient antibodies and other components of the immune response, the infection subsides and symptoms clear. The mobilization of at least some of the components of the immune response may depend upon the presence of adequate cortisol, since adrenally insufficient subjects are not able to produce a normal immune response. Hence, administration of physiologic dosages of cortisol may help to prevent the lowering of resistance that enables an infection to start or, after an infection has started, may assist the immune response and enable the person to recover more quickly. If, however, an excessive amount of glucocorticoid is present before an infection develops, the immune response may be blocked or misdirected, allowing infections to develop and progress abnormally. It is temping to speculate that the apparent beneficial effect of vitamin C in the common cold may be mediated at least in part through the adrenals, since the highest concentration of ascorbic acid in the body occurs in the adrenal cortex.

VIRAL INFECTIONS

36) Patients with acute influenza were treated in the same manner in which patients with chronic adrenal insufficiency were treated when they developed acute infections. Cortisol, 20 mg. by mouth four times daily before meals and at bedtime, was started. Patients were instructed to continue this dosage until they felt well, then decrease to 10 mg. four times daily for two days, then 5 mgs.four times daily for two days, then stopped. Clinical responses were striking. Within 24 hours, all patients felt much better, and within 48 hours symptoms such as fever, malaise, and generalized aching had completely subsided, and they felt quite well. The initial dosage of cortisol was decreased after 48 hours and discontinued after six days of therapy. No relapse or complications occurred. 136

37) For many years, it has been recognized that the clinical symptoms of acute malaise, anorexia, fever, weakness, exhaustion, and generalized aching that occur with any acute severe infection, but especially with influenza, are similar to the symptoms of acute adrenal insufficiency. 138 The possibility that a relative deficiency of adrenal response might be present in the incipient phase of any infectious disease should therefore be further investigated. 139

38) We now know that influenza viruses attack the human body by decreasing the production of adrenocorticotropic hormones (ACTH), thereby decreasing the production of cortisol, the only hormone that is absolutely essential for life, so treatment with physiologic dosages of cortisol is a safe and beneficial therapy for patients with influenza, regardless of its type. 143


Safe Uses of Cortisol | Stop The Thyroid Madness
 
William Jefferies, M.D., professor emeritus of internal medicine at the University of Virginia.

below are key points pulled from Jeffries book. Of course, there is much more in the book,

SAFE USES OF CORTISOL by William McK. Jeffries 3rd Edition

Chapter 1-Background

The first chapter discusses the history of our knowledge of cortisone and cortisol. In 1929, Dr. Hench figured out that rheumatoid arthritis disappeared because of a normal adrenocortical response after surgery, pregnancy and other situations. They didn’t multi-dose then, and used much larger amounts than needed. We now know that smaller dosages of cortisone or cortisol are effective and may take ten to 14 days to produce impressive improvement in arthritis. Because they used such large doses of cortisol in treatment, side effects occurred, and the presumption was made that any dosage of any glucocorticoid would have potentially hazardous and undesirable effects. “For over thirty years, physicians have been indoctrinated with this concept.”

Chapter 2

1) It is not generally realized that the dangerous side effects of glucocorticoid therapy occur only with certain dosages and not with others. That there is a tremendous difference between the effects of small “physiologic” dosages and those of larger “pharmacologic” dosages (larger than 40mg) has not been emphasized. 11 When applied to hormone actions, a “physiologic” dosage implies one that promotes normal function, whereas a “pharmacologic” dosage is one in excess of normal requirements and hence, one that might alter normal function. 12

2) Physiologic studies indicate that the average daily production of cortisol by human adrenals under basal conditions is approximately 15-20 mg, but this dosage will not maintain a totally adrenalectomized patient. 35-40 mg daily is necessary to inhibit endogenous adrenal steroid production to zero, and this dosage will satisfactorily maintain an adrenalectomized patient with a minimum of supplementary sodium-retaining steroid. Taken by mouth, even in divided doses, cortisone acetate or cortisol is only approx. 60% as efficient as when the hormone is naturally produced by the adrenals or released directly into the blood. 13 (the last statement makes you wonder about doing cortisol sublingually! Janie)

3) It has been demonstrated that when subjects with intact adrenals receive less than full replacement dosages of cortisol, endogenous adrenal function is suppressed only sufficiently to achieve a normal glucocorticoid level. For example, subjects receiving 20 mg (5 mg. four times) daily of cortisol have their endogenous adrenal steroid production decreased by approx. 60%, and subjects receiving 10 mg. (2.5 mg. four times) daily have their adrenal steroid production decreased by approx. 30%. The residual functioning tissue is adequate for apparently normal responses to stresses such as respiratory or gastrointestinal infections or even major surgery, but because their hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) response to stress might be impaired, and because of recent evidence that at least some autoimmune disorders are associated with a defective HPA response to stress, it seems advisable to supplement their cortisol dosages at times of any increased stress and especially at times of surgery or similar severe stress as in patients with more severe adrenocortical deficiency. 14

Subreplacement dosages also avoid the complete suppression of endogenous adrenal androgen production that probably causes a higher incidence in women than in men of undesirable side effects such as osteoporosis when larger dosages are taken for long periods. Many patients who need subreplacement dosages have low adrenal reserve, so the administration of such dosages actually improves the adrenals’ ability to respond to stress in these cases. 14

4) The schedule of administering cortisol every eight hours or four times daily is followed because of evidence that normal blood levels and some metabolic effects of a single dose of cortisol do not last longer than 8 hours. For practical purposes, dividing the total daily dosage into four parts taken before each meal and at bedtime has two advantages. It is easier for a patient to remember to take a medication at these times than at other times, and the ingestion of food tends to counteract the development of acid indigestion from the cortisol. For the bedtime dose, patients are instructed to drink milk or take an antacid with the medication. 15-16 (from Janie–In Wilson’s book, Adrenal Fatigue 21st Century, he recommends the following: 12 mg. first thing in the morning, then 5 mgs at noon, then 2 mgs at 3 pm, and finally 1 mg at 6 pm. That better follows the normal rhythm.)

5) Why should most physicians be unaware of the safety of small physiologic dosages?
1. There has been no promotion of physiologic dosages by pharmaceutical companies.
2. There has been little, if any, discrimination between the effects of physiologic vs. pharmacologic dosages.
3. There is a tendency to confuse cortisone and cortisol with there more potent derivatives, such as prednisone, prednisolone, dex, etc. 18-19

Chapter 3- The Significance of Normal Adrenocortical Function

6) Four known types of steroids of the cortex are: glucocorticoid, mineralocorticoid (aldosterone), androgen, and estrogen, (plus an unknown probable other).,

Glucocorticoid has one of its chief actions stimulation of the formation of glucose from non-carbohydrate sources such as amino acids from protein, a process known as gluconeogenesis. This is a vital effect in the maintenance of normal levels of blood glucose when food intake is irregular, since low blood sugar is incompatible with normal function of the brain, muscles or other tissues. 25-26

7) It has been recognized for many years that patients with adrenal insufficiency not only are more susceptible to low levels of serum sodium, with resulting hypotension and shock, but are also more susceptible to pathologic sodium retention from excessive amounts of salt or of sodium-retaining steroids, such as aldosterone, desoxycorticosterone, or 9-alpha-fluorohydrocortisone, suggesting that the adrenals might produce a substance that protects against sodium retention. 27

Two hormones produced normally by the ovaries, progesterone and 17-hydrozyprogesterone, have been demonstrated to have natriuretic properties (from Janie: causing salt to be eliminated from the body through urine, lowering blood pressure) and they are known intermediary steroids in adrenal cortices in the pathway of production of cortisol, occurring in excess in certain types of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, but the possibility that they might aid in normal water balance has apparently not been investigated. 27

9) A person who sleeps from 11 pm to 7 am has a maximum level of cortisol in his or her blood at approx. 8 am, then it gradually decreases through the day and evening, reaching a low point at approx. 1 am, following which it increases progressively during sleep to reach it’s max again at 8 am. The peak daily level of plasma-cortisol in a normal individual is usually between 20 and 30 mcg and the lowest level is between 5 and 10 mcg. 28

10) The production of cortisol is primarily regulated by the production of ACTH/corticotrophin by the pituitary, which is in turn controlled by the production of corticotrophin-releasing factor (CRF) by the hypothalamus. The production of DHEA seems to be only partly regulated by ACTH, but its
control is less well understood.

11) A patient with untreated mild adrenal insufficiency or low adrenal reserve may function reasonable well when environmental conditions are optimum but tends to tire more easily, and if strenuous physical exercise is undertaken or a meal skipped, hypoglycemic symptoms may develop. If an infection such as a common cold develops, symptoms tend to be more severe and last longer than in a person with normal adrenocortical reserve. These undesirable developments may be prevented by administration of suitable, safe, physiologic dosages of cortisol. It has also been demonstrated that normal adrenocortical function is essential for optimum ability to withstand infections, numerous studies having indicated that either too little or too much glucocorticoid can impair resistance to infection, whereas an optimum level of cortisol enhances resistance to infection. 29

12) It is suggested that adrenal production of glucocorticoids is related to body size and fat composition. 31

Chapter 4 – GENERALLY ACCEPTED USES OF PHYSIOLOGIC DOSAGES

13) Adrenal insufficiency can be manifested by hyperpigmentation of the skin, weakness, fatigue, anorexia, and susceptibility to collapse and shock with exposure to stress. Adrenal insufficiency resulting from an autoimmune phenomenon have become more common diagnoses. 33

14) When cortisone and ACTH became available for human use in 1948, these hormones first attracted worldwide attention by their dramatic beneficial effects on patients with rheumatoid arthritis. The dosages employed were large, however and produced catastrophic side effects….33

15) Meanwhile, experience with the use of small, safe, physiologic dosages of cortisol in patients with ovarian dysfunction and infertility revealed that patients with associated allergies, chronic fatigue or autoimmune disorders also reported improvement in these conditions while taking the steroid, without experiencing any undesirable side effects. These results were published in a leading medical journal, but the reputation of glucocorticoids had become so bad that they received little attention. 34

16) Hence, the diagnosis and treatment of mild adrenocortical deficiency, a condition that is rarely mentioned in medical textbooks, has become important for all practicing physicians to recognize. It may be primary, resulting from inadequate production of cortisol by the adrenals and sometimes termed “low adrenal reserve”, or it may be secondary to inadequate stimulation of the adrenals by ACTH from the pituitary or by corticotrophin releasing factor (CRF) from the hypothalamus. Another possible cause of symptoms of cortisol deficiency is a defect in the cellular receptors (i.e. cellular resistance) for cortisol causing associated normal or elevated levels of plasma cortisol. 34

17) Recent reports have presented evidence that patients with rheumatoid arthritis and several other autoimmune disorders have abnormal responses of the HPA axes to stress, so the possibility that the development of these disorders might be related to defective HPA responses seems likely. This would explain the beneficial effects of small, physiologic dosages of cortisol that have been observed in some of these patients and support the advisability of testing the integrity of this axis and the use of therapeutic trials with safe, physiologic dosages of cortisol in patients with these disorders. 35

18 } It is preferable to have these tests run in the morning after the patient has had adequate sleep and has not taken for a sufficient interval of time any glucocorticoid or other medication that might affect adrenal function or blood levels of cortisol, but helpful information can be obtained by running them at any time of day. A more sensitive low dose Cortrosyn test (what we call the STIM test—Janie) has been suggested for the diagnosis of mild adrenal deficiency, but because therapeutic trials are usually justified, even in patients with apparently normal tests, sometimes it is preferable to delay further testing until a therapeutic trial has been made, especially if it might avoid otherwise unnecessary hospitalization. 36

19) It is important to be aware that test results that fall within the “normal range” do not rule out the possibility that a patient might have mild adrenal deficiency since the normal range was probably obtained from a group of people who did not have classical Addison’s disease or hypopituitarism or any other known physical disorder and is rather broad. Hence, it might include persons with chronic allergies or other conditions that may be associated with mild adrenal deficiency. Furthermore, as previously mentioned, mild adrenal deficiency can occur secondary to inadequate stimulation by ACTH from the pituitary or by CRF from the hypothalamus. These patients have low normal baseline blood cortisol levels that respond normally to Cortrosyn, but still improve with physiologic dosage of cortisol. Hence, results of Cortrosyn tests within the normal range do not exclude the possibility that patients might benefit from cortisol therapy, so a therapeutic trial might still be justified. 36

20) The baseline cortisol test is an example of the impossibility of having strict end points in designating normal ranges of hormone levels, especially for a dynamic hormone such as cortisol, whose levels may fluctuate from minute to minute depending upon the degree of stress in addition to diurnal variation. Hence, patients with adrenal insufficiency may have plasma cortisol levels within low normal range, especially in the afternoon and evening, and patients with hyperadrenalism may have plasma cortisol levels within upper normal range in the morning. It is there possible that milder degrees of low adrenal reserve may not be detected unless Cortrosyn tests are performed in the morning at a time when baseline cortisol levels are maximum. Furthermore, patients vary in the susceptibility to various degrees of stress, including the stress of having injections and blood tests, so these factors must be considered in interpreting the results of tests. Hence, a diagnosis of mild adrenocortical deficiency should depend primarily on the clinical picture and therapeutic trials are often justified even when the results of tests fall within the normal range. 37

21) It should be emphasized that a “normal” baseline plasma cortisol and response to Cortrosyn does not rule out the possibility that a patient might improve with a physiologic dosage of cortisol, so for patient with disorders that suggest the possibility of mild adrenal deficiency, therapeutic trials with a small, subreplacement dosage of cortisol might still be helpful. 38

22) Because spontaneous adrenal insufficiency results from progressive destruction of adrenal tissue, symptoms appear when the process reaches the point where remaining adrenal tissue is insufficient to maintain normal well-being. This may require destruction of over 90% of the glandular tissue, but the remnant is capable of some function, so replacement dosages of cortisol in chronic adrenal insufficiency are usually less than the 35-40 mg daily that are required for the totally adrenalectomized patients. Most patients can be maintained on between 20 and 30 mgs. daily in divided doses. Although some patients may feel well on less than 20 mg. daily, it seems preferable to give at least this much cortisol, even to patients with low adrenal reserve, because it takes the strain off of the residual adrenal tissue and provides for more functional reserve in times of stress. Under some circumstances, it appears to provide an opportunity for residual tissue to regenerate. A few patients with low reserve have demonstrated evidence of recovery of reserve after months of even years of such treatment, but most seem to require some replacement for the remainder of their lives. 39

23) Widely recommended is 2/3rds of the daily dosage before breakfast and 1/3 after supper, but patients have preferred four divided doses. This is not surprising in view of the evidence that the half-life of cortisol in the blood is only 100 minutes, and some metabolic effects of even large doses do not last longer than 8 hours. Four divided doses produce more energy and less fatigue. 39-40

24) Although a lower dosage at supper time is logical and seems to diminish a tendency to insomnia that occurs in some patients, a lower dosage at bedtime is not always desirable because with normal diurnal variation the plasma cortisol level rises during sleep to reach a peak shortly after awakening in the morning. It also results in a need to get up and void once or twice during the night. 41

25) Patients with chronic adrenocortical deficiency can usually be well maintained with cortisol, 5 or 7.5 mg orally before each meal and at bedtime. 41

26) Package inserts for cortisol still do not mention the differences between physiologic and pharmacologic dosages and effects, implying that any of the many alarming side-effects that are listed may occur. 42-43

27) When a patient with adrenal insufficiency encounters stress, additional cortisol is necessary to maintain normal health and sense of well-being. 41 Higher dosages of cortisol are required to maintain a physiologic state that would produce hypercortisolism with it’s well-known undesirable effects in the unstressed states. The increased secretion of adrenal hormones serves to meet an increased need during stress and trends to maintain homeostasis rather than to disturb it. The increased secretion does not cause a state of hypercorticism such as develops when the titer of these hormones is increased artificially in the absence of need. Hence, a patient with adrenal insufficiency under stress may require dosages of cortisol to maintain a physiologic state that would produce hypercortisolism with its well-known undesirable effects in the unstressed state. 44-45

28) Patients with adrenal insufficiency should be cautioned to carry ID cards stating their diagnosis, treatment, etc.

29) In some respects, patients taking cortisol seem to be healthier than many persons without adrenal insufficiency in that they often appear to have more energy, less fatigue, and a greater resistance to at least some types of infection. 46

MILD ADRENOCORTICAL DEFICIENCY

30) As mentioned previously, mild adrenocortical deficiency, either primary (low adrenal reserve) or secondary to inadequate stimulation by the pituitary or the hypothalamus is another clinical disorder in which physiologic dosages of cortisol have a rational roles in therapy. Low adrenal reserve is characterized by a subnormal response to ACTH with baseline plasma cortisol level within normal range. Because of their residual adrenocortical function, patients with this disorder can sometimes omit the bedtime dose of cortisol. Mild secondary adrenocortical deficiency is characterized by a baseline plasma cortisol level either low or in the low normal range, but with a normal response to Cortrosyn stimulation. 54

31) “Thirty-six years ago, I reported the beneficial effects of physiologic dosages of cortisone acetate or cortisol on two patients with rheumatoid arthritis, with evidence that patients with rheumatoid arthritis seemed to have lower excretion of dehydroepiandrosterone in their urine and, hence, might have a mild abnormality of steroid metabolism. A review of the literature fails to reveal any attempts by others to confirm these observations or even any comment on them. The benefit of low dosage glucocorticoid therapy in menopausal arthritis is exemplified in Case 6 in Chapter 4, and patients with other nonspecific types of arthritis have reported impressive improvement in arthritic symptoms when this treatment was administered for associated problems.” (Five detailed case histories follow) 90

32) Because of the onset and aggravation of rheumatoid arthritis after periods of increased stress, it is probably important not only to increase the dosage of cortisol commensurate with the degree of increased stress, but also, as soon as optimum benefit is obtained, to taper the dosage to maintenance levels as quickly as possible without causing a return of symptoms. 100

Chapter 7 – ALLERGIC DISORDER

33) Patients with seasonal allergies may benefit from taking small, physiologic dosages of cortisol in the spring or autumn, with temporary increases depending upon the severity of symptoms. 110

34) Patients who were receiving physiologic dosages of cortisol began to report that they seemed to get fewer colds than other members of their families, often escaping completely when everyone else in the family had been ill. 128

35) A possible explanation of the contrasting effects of physiologic vs. pharmacologic dosage of glucocorticoids upon resistance to respiratory infections might be as follows: Normally the body maintains levels of cortisol and immune globulins sufficient to protect against average daily exposure to infection. The lowering of resistance that follows various stresses such as excessive fatigue, lack of sleep, or emotional upset is accompanied by a relative deficiency of cortisol that causes malaise and anorexia, and evidence of infection develops. When the person is able to produce sufficient antibodies and other components of the immune response, the infection subsides and symptoms clear. The mobilization of at least some of the components of the immune response may depend upon the presence of adequate cortisol, since adrenally insufficient subjects are not able to produce a normal immune response. Hence, administration of physiologic dosages of cortisol may help to prevent the lowering of resistance that enables an infection to start or, after an infection has started, may assist the immune response and enable the person to recover more quickly. If, however, an excessive amount of glucocorticoid is present before an infection develops, the immune response may be blocked or misdirected, allowing infections to develop and progress abnormally. It is temping to speculate that the apparent beneficial effect of vitamin C in the common cold may be mediated at least in part through the adrenals, since the highest concentration of ascorbic acid in the body occurs in the adrenal cortex.

VIRAL INFECTIONS

36) Patients with acute influenza were treated in the same manner in which patients with chronic adrenal insufficiency were treated when they developed acute infections. Cortisol, 20 mg. by mouth four times daily before meals and at bedtime, was started. Patients were instructed to continue this dosage until they felt well, then decrease to 10 mg. four times daily for two days, then 5 mgs.four times daily for two days, then stopped. Clinical responses were striking. Within 24 hours, all patients felt much better, and within 48 hours symptoms such as fever, malaise, and generalized aching had completely subsided, and they felt quite well. The initial dosage of cortisol was decreased after 48 hours and discontinued after six days of therapy. No relapse or complications occurred. 136

37) For many years, it has been recognized that the clinical symptoms of acute malaise, anorexia, fever, weakness, exhaustion, and generalized aching that occur with any acute severe infection, but especially with influenza, are similar to the symptoms of acute adrenal insufficiency. 138 The possibility that a relative deficiency of adrenal response might be present in the incipient phase of any infectious disease should therefore be further investigated. 139

38) We now know that influenza viruses attack the human body by decreasing the production of adrenocorticotropic hormones (ACTH), thereby decreasing the production of cortisol, the only hormone that is absolutely essential for life, so treatment with physiologic dosages of cortisol is a safe and beneficial therapy for patients with influenza, regardless of its type. 143


Safe Uses of Cortisol | Stop The Thyroid Madness

Thanks for posting this.

My question again: why hasn't any body else studied this? And don't give the BS answer of THERE'S NO MONEY IN IT, because everyone is studying Vitamin D and there's no money in that either...
 
Doesn't your own body produce cortisol? If you're producing less than optimal, why would it hurt to replace physiological doses?
 
Doesn't your own body produce cortisol? If you're producing less than optimal, why would it hurt to replace physiological doses?

Yes it produces it. My question is why everyone is so quick to blame their problems on cortisol output and start replacing it when in all likelihood it is completely fine. The notion that you can rest your adrenals is complete BS. Can you rest your thyroid? NO. When it is damaged, it is damaged.
 
William Jefferies, M.D., professor emeritus of internal medicine at the University of Virginia.

below are key points pulled from Jeffries book. Of course, there is much more in the book,

SAFE USES OF CORTISOL by William McK. Jeffries 3rd Edition


MILD ADRENOCORTICAL DEFICIENCY

30) As mentioned previously, mild adrenocortical deficiency, either primary (low adrenal reserve) or secondary to inadequate stimulation by the pituitary or the hypothalamus is another clinical disorder in which physiologic dosages of cortisol have a rational roles in therapy. Low adrenal reserve is characterized by a subnormal response to ACTH with baseline plasma cortisol level within normal range. Because of their residual adrenocortical function, patients with this disorder can sometimes omit the bedtime dose of cortisol. Mild secondary adrenocortical deficiency is characterized by a baseline plasma cortisol level either low or in the low normal range, but with a normal response to Cortrosyn stimulation. 54

31) “Thirty-six years ago, I reported the beneficial effects of physiologic dosages of cortisone acetate or cortisol on two patients with rheumatoid arthritis, with evidence that patients with rheumatoid arthritis seemed to have lower excretion of dehydroepiandrosterone in their urine and, hence, might have a mild abnormality of steroid metabolism. A review of the literature fails to reveal any attempts by others to confirm these observations or even any comment on them. The benefit of low dosage glucocorticoid therapy in menopausal arthritis is exemplified in Case 6 in Chapter 4, and patients with other nonspecific types of arthritis have reported impressive improvement in arthritic symptoms when this treatment was administered for associated problems.” (Five detailed case histories follow) 90

32) Because of the onset and aggravation of rheumatoid arthritis after periods of increased stress, it is probably important not only to increase the dosage of cortisol commensurate with the degree of increased stress, but also, as soon as optimum benefit is obtained, to taper the dosage to maintenance levels as quickly as possible without causing a return of symptoms. 100

Safe Uses of Cortisol | Stop The Thyroid Madness


I deleted part of the post to make the length reasonable. Anyone with an interest in the original entire post is referred above or to the link where the post was in its entirety copied. It should be noted that the numbers in the post do not represent references, but page numbers! CrazyCrew copied and pasted only a portion of the webpage but "innocently" forgot the passage, "At the end of each sentence/paragraph is a number which represents the page." LOL.

The post is inconsequential and meaningless when it comes to support for GC treatment of "adrenal fatigue." These are summaries and anecdotes appearing in a book, but the post does not include any of the references. The original poster apparently has the book, so why not post the references?

Additionally, the post cites a known use of HC, rheumatoid arthritis under "MILD ADRENOCORTICAL DEFICIENCY." Does this book use the term adrenal fatigue? Where are the references to use GC for this so-called malady?

Even in this excerpt. the author speaks to a baseline plasma cortisol level either low or in the low normal range, but with a normal response to Cortrosyn stimulation.[/B] Where is the reference? Where is the follow up studies? Under this condition, what is the recommended treatment for what disorders?

In summary, the post proves nothing more than the ability to copy and paste. There is plenty of junk science all over the 'Net that can be copied and pasted. It proves nothing, except that anyone can find whatever they want to prove any point, no matter how bizarre and absurd. It is your move!
 
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Cortef is one thing but Medrol isnt to be played with lightly. You can do yourself some serious damage if you dont know what you are doing.:(

If you think shutting down the feedback between the balls and the rest of the HPTA axis is bad- try fucking up the mechanism relating the adrenal cortex. You will feel bad for a long time. It can easily take six months to get the system working right and on its own after adrenal feedback shutdown. Or so the textbooks say. I have personally tampered with my own enough to have a great deal of respect for the innate biochemical processses.
If one were to take a poll of people taking a standard Medrol Dosepak I`ll bet my bottom dollar they would overwhelmingly report feeling burned out for at least a week after taking the last 4mg.
Since I`m at it.
Important things concerning GC`s:
Medrol is 5-6 times the potency of cortisol
DONT stop Medrol dosing suddenly. Taper it off.The exact titer depends on the starting or maintance dose and the individual and situation.
Once in the morning EOD dosing minimizes the effect on the HPTA.
But if Sx arent controlled then once in the morning ED is the next best thing.
Multiple daily doses will shut down the feedback mechanism fastest.

This stuff is for problems relating to excess immune system activity and not for adrenal fatigue.

MEDROL WILL GIVE YOU ADRENAL FATIGUE
Clear enough?
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Not sure about this, Maybe DR.S could comment in how much Medrol constitutes a full replacement dose. The literature is sketchy so I am hesitant to put a number on it. Individual and environmental variation make it difficult.

Nope. Actually I felt like a million bucks after a Medrol dose pack! I actually felt much better than I did before the dose pack. I never had any kind of crash.

By the way, I was on the dose back due to an allergic skin rash, not anything related to "adrenal fatigue" or the like.
 
One of the factors needed to understand GC is their relative comparisons. the following is a table for GCs. Also, the following link will provide a Corticosteroid converter - Corticosteroids conversion calculator (hydrocortisone, dexamethasone, prednisone, methylprednisolone, betamethasone.

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let's stay on topic. This is an interesting topic. I hope to learn a thing or two as this thread develops.:popcorn:
 
this looks to be a long thread. Would anyone be so kind as to summarize the conclusions so far?

Best assay for assessing adrenals? Uses of low dose glucocorticoids? Empirical support for use of low dose same? Empirical validity of adrenal fatique vs. or in addition to adrenal insufficiency?
 
Your argument is hilarious


YOU CANT "REST" Y THEREFORE YOU CANT "REST" X!!!!!1111111

The notion that any organ in your body needs rest for 6 months to a year (as most adrenal fatigue pumpers state) seems pretty ridiculous to me dude.

What else in your body needs to completely rest for months to recover? I guess you could say the heart but that is a muscle...
 
this looks to be a long thread. Would anyone be so kind as to summarize the conclusions so far?

Best assay for assessing adrenals? Uses of low dose glucocorticoids? Empirical support for use of low dose same? Empirical validity of adrenal fatique vs. or in addition to adrenal insufficiency?


So far, the thread was looking to find the GC dose people used for "adrenal fatigue." This was to be a segway into the effects of GC use. The thread has taken a small detour into the legitimacy of the diagnosis "adrenal fatigue." It is an unaccepted diagnosis within the ICD. Regardless of its acceptance or not, the thread will turn to the very real adverse effects associated with GC use. And it will be shown that these effects occur with the GC doses for "adrenal fatigue." [The thread has not touched on hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis (HPAA) suppression. It is not germane to the thread.]
 
This is the source of information most AF pumpers use:

Those durn Adrenals!! | Stop The Thyroid Madness


Thanks for the link - Those durn Adrenals!! | Stop The Thyroid Madness. It does summarize accurately what I have read elsewhere and posters here. One can not expect or hope for any peer reviewed literature on the topic of “adrenal fatigue” since there is none. There is NO support for this imaginary disorder. This thread has been argued on other forums, but by the typical ad hominem (personal) attack. As a prelude to latter posts, I wanted to include some excerpts from the link discussing doses. Even here they oxymoronic statements are plain to see by the often simultaneous use of certain physiologic doses but also including that “higher” doses might be needed. Regarding the duration of treatment, they state that adrenal healing (i.e., take the stress off the adrenals) can last years! Only a “village idiot” would read this garbage and take it to heart.


IF YOU HAVE CONFIRMED LOW CORTISOL, WHAT IS THE TREATMENT? If you confirm that you have low cortisol production, whether from the self-tests above, or the saliva test, or simply the very strange reactions to natural desiccated thyroid, patients have learned from certain doctors that they may need cortisol supplementation. The suggested amount is approx. 20-30 mg of cortisol, and sometimes more due to some patients metabolizing cortisol faster than others, to bring sluggish adrenal function up to it’s proper and optimal normal daily amount, and for thyroid hormones to be received by the cells. Men can often need more.

Up to 20-30 mgs. and occasionally higher, is called a ‘physiologic’ supportive dose, as compared to the high ‘pharmacologic’ doses. According to doctors like Peatfield and Jeffries, a physiologic dose is safe and doesn’t cause the side-effects of larger pharmacologic doses. This would also bring your cortisol up to the amount to tolerate thyroid hormones and distribute them from the blood to your cells. You’ll know you are on enough when you once again do the temps mentioned above from Dr. Rind’s site, and find them stable instead of fluctuating.

It’s important to note that some thyroid patients discover that their cortisol deficiency is only mild and only in the early stages. We have discovered that the use of Licorice Root (in capsules, not licorice candy) can help extend the cortisol levels that you have. And there might be good OTC products to use to support your adrenals. Check with your doctor for ideas.

WHAT TO USE: Once adrenal insufficiency is confirmed, and it’s decided that OTC products are not going to help, patients and their doctors tend to use hydrocortisone or HC (such as the brand name Cortef) or Isocort (which is over-the-counter) or other quality brands. Hydrocortisone will give you simply cortisol, whereas Isocort et. al. gives you the entire adrenal cortex. But many patients seem to prefer HC and find it to work better than Isocort. Hydrocortisone or Cortef has a half life of approx. 8 hours, but can be much less depending on the metabolism of the individual. Thus, patients have to multi-dose it, and four times a day at the minimum is recommended, with four hours between dosing. Some patients have to move their doses closer together, and some have to have higher amounts than others due to a fast metabolism in their stomachs. Ingredients: hydrocortisone, lactose, magnesium stearate, maize starch.

ARE THERE CONTROVERSIAL OPINIONS on ADRENAL TREATMENT? The controversy with treating sluggish adrenals is in two areas. First, there are some who claim that sluggish adrenals can successfully be treated with herbs, vitamins and a change in lifestyle. But patients who have wholeheartedly tried the former for a length of time will state that it simply didn’t help enough, and most especially, they were unable to get thyroid hormones from the blood to the cells. Granted, if one’s adrenal fatigue was quite minor, there may be value in using herbs, vitamins like C and B, sea salt, and de-stressing. But the majority of hypothyroid individuals with adrenal insufficiency seem to need more than herbs and vitamins.

The other controversy lies in the amount of cortisol used. Some information and individuals will claim that 20 mgs of HC is a full replacement dose, so if you go any higher, you are risking permanent suppression of your adrenals and the HPA axis (hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenals–explained in the book). Yet others will state that the full replacement can be much higher, such as 40 mgs at the minimum. So the question remains: how much is too much?

What doctors and patients who have adrenal fatigue have noticed is that though only 20 mg may work for some, many find that staying with 20 mgs simply doesn’t adequately get thyroid hormones to the cells. Temperatures are still unstable, and symptoms of low cortisol still persist. They will then raise a bit higher, and eventually find their sweet spot. Some even find that when higher doses aren’t doing the trick, i.e. around 27 1/2 mgs or higher, they move the dosing schedule to 3 hours apart rather than 4. A minority may switch to Medrol, a longer acting version, and find great success. Patients and certain doctors surmise that some thyroid patients end up needing more HC because of digestive issues from their hypothyroid state. Patients will need digestive aids, in that case.

IS CORTISOL TREATMENT SHORT-TERM OR FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE? Doctors we respect have stated that HC supplementation is short-term, meaning treatment lasts approx. 8 weeks to a few months. But patients and doctors who use the treatment have discovered that treatment seems to need the “few months” to a year or two or more before one is able to succeed in a slow wean. [WHY DOES NEED TO WEAN IF THE ADRENALS ARE HEALED OR IF THERE IS NO HPAA SUPPRESSION? THESE RHETORICAL QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE VILLAGE IDIOTS.] Additionally, HC treatment needs to be enough to take the stress off the adrenals, to stabilize one’s temps, and to allow thyroid hormones to the cells…the latter which plays a part in de-stressing the adrenals. We suspect that if the wean fails, i.e. the patient can’t seem to get off, it can point to a failure to have achieved the above, weaning too fast, adrenal fatigue far worse than others, or a pituitary problem that wasn’t properly diagnosed, or the need to correct others issues such as gluten intolerance, low ferritin, low B12, etc. [IN OTHER WORDS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH . . ]Some answers are probably still to come. And since this website is simply sharing information, we strongly recommend that you work with a good doctor over the complete treatment process.

THE INFORMATION FROM THIS WEBSITE IS NOT MEANT TO REPLACE COMEDY CENTRAL OR OTHER SOURCES OF COMEDIC ENTERTAINMENT, ALTHOUGH THEY DO RECOGNIZE THAT IT CAN HELP TO DE-STRESS THE ADRENALS BY ITS CONTENT: ROTFLMFAOPIMP (ROLLING ON THE FLOOR - LAUGHING MY FAT ASS OFF - PEEING IN MY PANTS)!
 
As I have said, the concern for GC and “adrenal fatigue” is the adverse effects that results from GC administration. Once again, other forums are trying to tag along the Meso forum discussion. These are futile attempts to disguise themselves as evidence based when, in fact, they never provide any peer reviewed literature in support of these therapies but, instead, use ad hominem argument and refuted dogma. In a quick detour of the thread, the following is some information on hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis (HPAA) suppression with GC administration. In case some have forgotten, prednisolone 7.5 mg = hydrocortisone 30 mg = cortisone 37.5 mg. [This is not a primary thread focus, but recall the doses. These were cited in the prior post as being commonly used, if not more, for "adrenal fatigue."]


John RK, Sarah HH, Roger H, et al. The effect of therapeutic glucocorticoids on the adrenal response in a randomized controlled trial in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Arthritis & Rheumatism 2006;54(5):1415-21.

To measure the effect of low-dose systemic glucocorticoid treatment on the adrenal response to adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) in patients with rheumatoid arthritis (RA).Patients with RA who took part in a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial of budesonide (3 mg/day and 9 mg/day) and prednisolone (7.5 mg/day) underwent a short (60-minute) test with injection of ACTH (tetracosactide hexaacetate) at baseline and the day after completing the 3-month treatment program. Plasma cortisol measurements at baseline and 3 months were compared within and between the treatment groups. Individual patients were classified as normal responders to ACTH or as abnormal responders if changes were >2 SD below the pretreatment value in the entire group of study patients. Short tests with ACTH injection were performed on 139 patients before beginning the study medication and on 134 patients after cessation of the medication. There were no changes in the placebo group. Mean plasma cortisol levels following treatment were reduced in all active treatment groups. In addition, mean values were significantly reduced for the 30-minute and 60-minute responses to ACTH. The maximum reduction (35%) occurred in the prednisolone group at 60 minutes. Following treatment, 34% of patients taking budesonide 9 mg and 46% of those taking prednisolone 7.5 mg failed to reach the normal maximum cortisol response to ACTH. Four patients failed to achieve the normal percentage increase in cortisol levels, but only 1 patient failed to meet both criteria. Low doses of a glucocorticoid resulted in depression of baseline and ACTH-stimulated cortisol levels after 12 weeks of therapy. Although the responsiveness of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis in individual patients generally remained within the normal range, these changes should be investigated further.
 
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As I have said, the concern for GC and “adrenal fatigue” is the adverse effects that results from GC administration. Once again, other forums are trying to tag along the Meso forum discussion. These are futile attempts to disguise themselves as evidence based when, in fact, they never provide any peer reviewed literature in support of these therapies but, instead, use ad hominem argument and refuted dogma. In a quick detour of the thread, the following is some information on hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis (HPAA) suppression with GC administration. In case some have forgotten, prednisolone 7.5 mg = hydrocortisone 30 mg = cortisone 37.5 mg. [This is not a primary thread focus, but recall the doses. These were cited in the prior post as being commonly used, if not more, for "adrenal fatigue."]


John RK, Sarah HH, Roger H, et al. The effect of therapeutic glucocorticoids on the adrenal response in a randomized controlled trial in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Arthritis & Rheumatism 2006;54(5):1415-21.

To measure the effect of low-dose systemic glucocorticoid treatment on the adrenal response to adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) in patients with rheumatoid arthritis (RA).Patients with RA who took part in a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial of budesonide (3 mg/day and 9 mg/day) and prednisolone (7.5 mg/day) underwent a short (60-minute) test with injection of ACTH (tetracosactide hexaacetate) at baseline and the day after completing the 3-month treatment program. Plasma cortisol measurements at baseline and 3 months were compared within and between the treatment groups. Individual patients were classified as normal responders to ACTH or as abnormal responders if changes were >2 SD below the pretreatment value in the entire group of study patients. Short tests with ACTH injection were performed on 139 patients before beginning the study medication and on 134 patients after cessation of the medication. There were no changes in the placebo group. Mean plasma cortisol levels following treatment were reduced in all active treatment groups. In addition, mean values were significantly reduced for the 30-minute and 60-minute responses to ACTH. The maximum reduction (35%) occurred in the prednisolone group at 60 minutes. Following treatment, 34% of patients taking budesonide 9 mg and 46% of those taking prednisolone 7.5 mg failed to reach the normal maximum cortisol response to ACTH. Four patients failed to achieve the normal percentage increase in cortisol levels, but only 1 patient failed to meet both criteria. Low doses of a glucocorticoid resulted in depression of baseline and ACTH-stimulated cortisol levels after 12 weeks of therapy. Although the responsiveness of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis in individual patients generally remained within the normal range, these changes should be investigated further.

Does the full version say how long after treatment? It seems evident that the adrenals would still be hampered immediately after treatment. This study would be much more interesting if they tested a month after cessation, for example.
 
Does the full version say how long after treatment? It seems evident that the adrenals would still be hampered immediately after treatment. This study would be much more interesting if they tested a month after cessation, for example.


Here it is! But, this is a short detour that is now, please, over. I have more on the adverse effects of GC administration. The important stuff! It will not be good news for those on GC for "adrenal fatigue."
 

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Here it is! But, this is a short detour that is now, please, over. I have more on the adverse effects of GC administration. The important stuff! It will not be good news for those on GC for "adrenal fatigue."

Just to note: This study states that the HPA axis response was in a (relatively) short amount of time for nearly every patient.

"Thus, it is not clear that the reduction in response to ACTH following low-dose prednisolone treatment revealed in the present study is of physiologic significance. Another question is whether the reduced response to ACTH is recovered quickly. In 14 patients who had been taking high doses of prednisone (up to 100 mg/m2/day) for up to 29 days, there was a clear suppression of adrenal function, but in the large majority of these patients, the HPA axis response was restored in fewer than 7 days (26). A further study of 75 patients who received at least 25 mg of prednisone daily for up to 30 days found that one-half had a reduced response to CRF on the day after stopping treatment. All but 2 of these patients recovered ACTH function within 2 weeks."
 
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