Aegean Analyzer - Steroid Lab Tests

[Inquiring Mind]

I asked, because it looks more like a work of a 1st year student than senior/professor. No offense to you, but offense to the person who did those tests. One should be ashamed of producing something like that, especially in senior position.

My opinion will be taken as biased around here, so I'll let others chime in, however the 'demo' shown shows less than undergrad level of knowledge in HPLC.

When @Turkish Pharmacy asked questions before, for the lab, I already had suspicion about their abilities, however, it is now confirmed.

There is pretty much no separation happening in the last image shown, it's more of a guessing game - pretty much anybody can see that it's impossible to determine the area under the curve precisely by a single look:
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But more importantly the K Prime is around 0.3

Absolute minimum, often insufficient (with deca most certainly!) is 1.

FDA minimum is 2.

For deca I'd say 3+ is acceptable.

HPLC HINTS and TIPS FOR CHROMATOGRAPHERS: K Prime (also known as: Capacity Factor, Ratio or Retention Factor): One of the Single Most Important HPLC Parameters of All

Simply put, the results produced are invalid, unfortunately.

@XmadXscientist @ProfessorX

Jack off, I meant, Jano, you’re an extremely knowledgeable person when it comes to these test results and graphs, to bad you’re a crooked arrow that don’t fly right. You could have been THE man around here.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Unfortunately, that is worth very little when the analyses are conducted in a manner that cannot guarantee - honestly in most cases not even provide (!) - useful results.

WOW, look who the fuck is talking?!

 

[Steve84]

Jack off, I meant, Jano, you’re an extremely knowledgeable person when it comes to these test results and graphs, to bad you’re a crooked arrow that don’t fly right. You could have been THE man around here.

Whatever his intentions, he does pick up the right things and asks the right questions.
It's a niche of people knowledgeable about these things that an average person can't tell.
Whatever masteron's intentions he doesn't really come together right on questioning things.

 

[Dr JIM]

Members need to understand organic analytical testing has a very steep learning curve that requires not only the proper education, tools, technology and procedural skills but also a broad fund of knowledge based upon access to empirical data and a practical understanding of how to apply all the above in such a manner to yield consistently CREDIBLE results. {IMO a credible quantitative result for PEDS approximates at least 90% while a qualitative assay should reach 99% of the comparative standard}

And for this reason analytical chemists are in VERY high demand and readily earn a six figure income, and for this and other reasons few if any
are remotely interested in PED testing. As one chemist lamented “there’s just no money in it Doc”

Unfortunately, for many (like Jano!) in the clandestine arena the temptation and monetary rewards for nefarious activity such as fraud
deceit, and collusion exceeds the
desire to perform PED testing in compliance with traditional standards, and for that reason IMO any AAS analytical lab MUST
release procedural, graphic and narrative sample data at least on a periodic basis.

The latter is critical since doing so provides customers with a means of assay checks and balances.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Whatever his intentions, he does pick up the right things and asks the right questions.
It's a niche of people knowledgeable about these things that an average person can't tell.
Whatever masteron's intentions he doesn't really come together right on questioning things.

Rest assured whatever Janos questions are they have a self serving bias and basis.

 

[Steve84]

Rest assured whatever Janos questions are they have a self serving bias and basis.

I can live with that...
As long as it provides insight and vetting of a tester when I have no fucking clue where to start on that.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I can live with that...
As long as it provides insight and vetting of a tester when I have no fucking clue where to start on that.

Bro, then you render yourself exactly the type of person he is looking to appeal to. You must, you have to, give a shit his motives, because what he utters is meant to steer you, NOT to enlighten you. Don’t fool yourself, you are not going to deduce any truth out if what he says.

 

[Dr JIM]

Bro, then you render yourself exactly the type of person he is looking to appeal to. You must, you have to, give a shit his motives, because what he utters is meant to steer you, NOT to enlighten you. Don’t fool yourself, you are not going to deduce any truth out if what he says.

While Jano may utter an occasional truism, the quandary for those who have no fucking clue is deciphering truth from fact or fantasy.

And to those I say good luck!

 

[Inquiring Mind]

While Jano may utter an occasional truism, the quandary for those who have no fucking clue is deciphering truth from fact or fantasy.

And to those I say good luck!

And while I try my hardest to refrain from ever disrespecting any member here, we must not forget, rather we must repeatedly remind (new) and existing members that our foremost concern is Harm Reduction! Keep the likes of Jano, no matter how impressive he may disguise himself, at bay would serve that mantra well.

 

[Steve84]

While Jano may utter an occasional truism, the quandary for those who have no fucking clue is deciphering truth from fact or fantasy.

And to those I say good luck!

And while I try my hardest to refrain from ever disrespecting any member here, we must not forget, rather we must repeatedly remind (new) and existing members that our foremost concern is Harm Reduction! Keep the likes of Jano, no matter how impressive he may disguise himself, at bay would serve that mantra well.

Well first we already know your opinion Dr Jim.
And I'll just say okay cuz I don't know the whole story from both sides of things. It just is what it is... soo peace on the issue
I can't really say much and I'm sure there are some sides of both points. Not saying one was more wrong than the other. I just don't know and I recognize your position.

And inquiring mind I have no idea what or where your intentions are but he doesn't have to appeal to me. I've tested stuff and he does testing for one of my sources.
He's provided me harm reduction in one sort of thing.
And I guess it's the same circle of argument that goes on about him and keeps going and probably won't stop.

He did things to help me and I've never used him before. It's a catch 22 on the whole subject.
But whatever it is I've seen other people try to question testing theory and provide nothing to the conversation.
However he has regardless of intentions.
So don't say shit about him appealing to me or not. He just is here and in lots of ways voices things that actually are google'able and can question integrity of other labs. Some facts whether you like him or not, his intentions have contributed to question other testing sources. So in one way he does some things right. Intentions or not I guess.

We all know the personal history...the story
But one he won't be going away. So he'll have to be accountable for tests he does do and checked in other ways. I still do think that is correct.

 

[janoshik]

Jack off, I meant, Jano, you’re an extremely knowledgeable person when it comes to these test results and graphs, to bad you’re a crooked arrow that don’t fly right. You could have been THE man around here.

Your dislike of me however doesn't change the facts.
Better learn how to deal with it.

I'm the man on enough places and I have helped enough people from over here.

It's actually only the people who have never worked with me before hating on me over here or people whose undeserved authority I am able to question thanks to being, as you put it, extremely knowledgeable.

WOW, look who the fuck is talking?!

One of the few guys who can actually review a method

And while I try my hardest to refrain from ever disrespecting any member here, we must not forget, rather we must repeatedly remind (new) and existing members that our foremost concern is Harm Reduction! Keep the likes of Jano, no matter how impressive he may disguise himself, at bay would serve that mantra well.

It's actually incredibly funny that you write that in response to the wannabe-MD Jim with zero knowledge on the subject, who had been outed by every actual chemist on the board.


While your nick is suggesting you have an inquiring mind, you really are showing us otherwise.

 

[Sdryx]

Whatever his intentions, he does pick up the right things and asks the right questions.

How do you even know that????????????? You understand what is being said? Or are you simply assuming the implied jargon is absolute and valid simply because it overwhelms you? He could be overusing jargon for that very reason and you aren't going to say he's wrong. Well I say, who is to say he is right!?

 

[movingiron88]

Your dislike of me however doesn't change the facts.
Better learn how to deal with it.

I'm the man on enough places and I have helped enough people from over here.

It's actually only the people who have never worked with me before hating on me over here or people whose undeserved authority I am able to question thanks to being, as you put it, extremely knowledgeable.


One of the few guys who can actually review a method


It's actually incredibly funny that you write that in response to the wannabe-MD Jim with zero knowledge on the subject, who had been outed by every actual chemist on the board.


While your nick is suggesting you have an inquiring mind, you really are showing us otherwise.

No the people who dislike you are the people that know your history of lies. They know you for the con man you are. They know you provided false results and lied. In the game of testing integrity is the name of the game and you have none.

@aegean analyzer please stay at this and maintain your integrity and you will succeed in your endeavor. The community needs an honest reliable testing agency. No one trusts @janoshik tge con man.

Dont let @janoshik fool you guys. If he actually did testing and had a decent amount of customers he wouldn't constantly be on here trolling competitors threads and sounding like a pissed of delusional ex gf. It is pathetic to watch.

 

[Turkish Pharmacy]

I cant talk shit about Jano, in other topic he tried to help me (actually I directed what he said to @aegean analyzer so he didnt help me ) about methodology.

But what I told @aegean analyzer is that never ever lose trust of guys on Meso, if you do so, they will never forget it and keep hammering and smashing you forever and ever till the end of time, but they love you .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRNZHFr69t4

So he is extra careful about Meso clients.

We are waiting for maintenance of the machine now, we have some products on lab for testing. I will try send him whatever product I am buying on bulk. Everyone tells me to publish lab tests here but I dont think I will publish them as I am sure some dumbass will always come out and say "you are manipulating the results the guy is your friend, I dont believe you etc... " so I am not eager to publish out of fear of getting hammered, Meso made me fear being hammered. I got post traumatic stress disorder now lol

 

[Turkish Pharmacy]

Also I have seen that lab testing is MUCH more complicated than what I thought it would be at the beginning.

 

[Sdryx]

I cant talk shit about Jano, in other topic he tried to help me (actually I directed what he said to @aegean analyzer so he didnt help me ) about methodology.

But what I told @aegean analyzer is that never ever lose trust of guys on Meso, if you do so, they will never forget it and keep hammering and smashing you forever and ever till the end of time, but they love you .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRNZHFr69t4

So he is extra careful about Meso clients.

We are waiting for maintenance of the machine now, we have some products on lab for testing. I will try send him whatever product I am buying on bulk. Everyone tells me to publish lab tests here but I dont think I will publish them as I am sure some dumbass will always come out and say "you are manipulating the results the guy is your friend, I dont believe you etc... " so I am not eager to publish out of fear of getting hammered, Meso made me fear being hammered. I got post traumatic stress disorder now lol

Please, post up your lab testing results when you get them.

When you post the results, just be clear in stating that they are results that you obtained yourself. This way the results can be posted and members can draw their own conclusions as to whether or not they want to believe them. And at the same time, you will be completely transparent with the results and will be ok in posting them.

 

[janoshik]

I cant talk shit about Jano, in other topic he tried to help me (actually I directed what he said to @aegean analyzer so he didnt help me ) about methodology.

Thank you.

I'm actually trying to do so here as well, it's just a few people around here who are too stupid to realize what constructive criticism looks like because they can't get over the fact that anything more advanced than basic sentences flies over their heads.

So they make up for it by spamming.

Also I have seen that lab testing is MUCH more complicated than what I thought it would be at the beginning.

Yep.

 

[rpbb]

I cant talk shit about Jano, in other topic he tried to help me (actually I directed what he said to @aegean analyzer so he didnt help me ) about methodology.

But what I told @aegean analyzer is that never ever lose trust of guys on Meso, if you do so, they will never forget it and keep hammering and smashing you forever and ever till the end of time, but they love you .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRNZHFr69t4

So he is extra careful about Meso clients.

We are waiting for maintenance of the machine now, we have some products on lab for testing. I will try send him whatever product I am buying on bulk. Everyone tells me to publish lab tests here but I dont think I will publish them as I am sure some dumbass will always come out and say "you are manipulating the results the guy is your friend, I dont believe you etc... " so I am not eager to publish out of fear of getting hammered, Meso made me fear being hammered. I got post traumatic stress disorder now lol

Your Turkish competitor has been posting his testing results. Hasn't gotten any grief from what I can tell

 

[T-Bagger]

I would love to see @Turkish Pharmacy send the same batch to both @aegean analyzer and @janoshik and see what both come up with (anonymously, of course).

Sadly at the time, Jano is all we have so it would be great to see if the results are the same or completely different. And then post up both results.

 

[Sdryx]

I would love to see @Turkish Pharmacy send the same batch to both @aegean analyzer and @janoshik and see what both come up with (anonymously, of course).

Sadly at the time, Jano is all we have so it would be great to see if the results are the same or completely different. And then post up both results.

What would that prove? Except nothing at all.

Anyone can choose when they want to lie or deceive. That’s a rather silly test: Hey sir, I heard you are a liar, so I’m going to ask you a test question to see if you answer truthfully. And if you do, you will get my business.

Completely and utterly SILLY!