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Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Virginia health care hearings set
Virginia health care hearings set : SCOTUSblog

The Fourth Circuit Court schedules May 10 hearings for two Virginia cases testing the constitutionality of a key provision of the new federal health care law.

The Fourth Circuit Court on Thursday scheduled oral argument for Tuesday, May 10, for cases testing the constitutionality of the new federal health care law — focusing especially on the law’s requirement that virtually all Americans must obtain health insurance by 2014. In an order issued in one of the cases, Liberty University v., Geithner (Circuit docket 10-2347), the Court noted that its hearings normally allow 20 minutes per side.

Under a Jan. 26 order of the Circuit Court, the Court — apparently the same panel — will hold a second hearing right after the Liberty University case is heard. That second hearing will be in the case ofSebelius v. Virginia (Circuit docket 11-1057).

Two diffeent federal judges in Virginia had issued conflicting rulings in these cases — the judge in theLiberty University case upholding the insurance-purchase mandate, the judge in the Virginia case striking it down. The Virginia case is a combination of separate appeals by the state of Virginia and by the federal government, with the federal government treated as the appealing party for procedural purposes.

The Virginia case grew out of a claim by the state’s attorney general that the health-purchase mandate conflicts with a Virginia state law that protects the state’s citizens from being required to obtain health insurance.

In a development that may complicate that case, a Richmond University law professor, Kevin C. Walsh, has filed an amicus brief urging the Fourth Circuit to order that case dismissed, on the theory that the state’s challenge is not within federal court jurisdiction. The Walsh brief, based upon research the professor has done, argued that the state is essentially seeking an advisory opinion on the validity of its state law, and Supreme Court precedents established that federal courts have no authority to issue any such rulings.

That challenge to jurisdiction has not appeared in the case at any point up to now. The federal government also did not raise it in its opening merits brief in the Circuit Court, although a ruling to dismiss the case would clearly be in the federal government’s favor.

Meanwhile, the federal government is currently due to file a response by next Monday in the Supreme Court, to the plea by the state of Virginia that the Justices take up the state’s case without waiting for the Fourth Circuit to rule. The case there is Virginia v. Sebelius (Supreme Court docket 10-1014). The government almost certainly will oppose Supreme Court review at this stage.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

No action on health care
The Court takes no action, for now, on Virginia’s attempt to get review — before any appeals court decides — of the constitutionality of the new federal law requiring nearly everyone in the nation to have health insurance by the year 2014.
No action on health care : SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court on Monday left unresolved, at least for the moment, the fate of the state of Virginia’s attempt to get the Justices to rule on a very fast track the broad challenge to the constitutionality of a key feature of the new federal health care law. The plea by the state to take up the validity of the new mandate to buy health insurance, before any federal appeals court rules on it, was before the Justices at their Conference last Friday, but no order on it came out with the Monday list. The case is Virginia v. Sebelius (10-1014).
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

No action on health care
The Court takes no action, for now, on Virginia’s attempt to get review — before any appeals court decides — of the constitutionality of the new federal law requiring nearly everyone in the nation to have health insurance by the year 2014.
No action on health care : SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court on Monday left unresolved, at least for the moment, the fate of the state of Virginia’s attempt to get the Justices to rule on a very fast track the broad challenge to the constitutionality of a key feature of the new federal health care law. The plea by the state to take up the validity of the new mandate to buy health insurance, before any federal appeals court rules on it, was before the Justices at their Conference last Friday, but no order on it came out with the Monday list. The case is Virginia v. Sebelius (10-1014).
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Court passes on health care
Court refuses Virginia’s plea for fast-track review of the constitutional challenge to the new health care law.
Court passes on health care : SCOTUSblog

Choosing, for now, to remain on the sidelines of the national constitutional debate over the new health care law, the Supreme Court refused on Monday to put Virginia’s challenge to the law on a fast track. There were no dissents noted, and there was no comment. The Court granted no new cases. The legal side of the health care controversy will now revert to six federal courts of appeals; the first hearing in one of those cases will be May 10 at the Fourth Circuit Court in Richmond, Va.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Administration taps top lawyer for first health reform appeal hearing
Administration taps top lawyer for first health reform appeal hearing - The Hill's Healthwatch

The government's top lawyer will handle the first appeals court arguments on the constitutionality of the healthcare reform law – a sign of how seriously the administration takes lower court proceedings in a case with huge ramifications not only for the healthcare system, but for the 2012 election.

Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal will defend the law's individual mandate on Tuesday when Richmond's Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals takes up two challenges to the law. http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/pdf/affordablecareactoralarguments.pdf

Court watchers say it's highly unusual for the government's highest ranking lawyer to be arguing a case before it reaches the Supreme Court.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Easy outing for health care law?
The 14-month-old federal health care law’s most important provision appears to be on its way to surviving its first constitutional test in a federal appeals court. The key problem for the challengers: their activity-inactivity distinction did not seem to work.
Easy outing for health care law? : SCOTUSblog

One thing about the fate of the new health care law emerged vividly in its first challenge Tuesday in a federal appeals court: the challengers cannot defeat the law in court unless they sharpen their argument that Congress has set out in a revolutionary new direction to control Americans’ personal lives. They have built their challenge almost entirely on the premise that Congress can regulate “activity,” but cannot regulate “inactivity.” But that attempted distinction, so clear in the eye of the challengers, seemed fundamentally baffling — and thus probably unconvincing — to the three judges who heard just over two hours of argument in the Fourth Circuit Court in Richmond.

[It has always been a vain and fruitless attempt at doublespeak by those opposed to the healthcare bill. As if activity and inactivity are separate sides of a coin with nothing in common!!! This is a great way to see the wheels of justice turn no matter how it ends.]
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

New inquiry on health care
The Fourth Circuit raises added issues about its authority to rule on the constitutionality of the new health care law’s mandate for virtually everyone to have health insurance coverage.
New inquiry on health care : SCOTUSblog

Raising the prospect that it may throw out challenges to the new health care law’s mandate for virtually everyone to have health insurance, the Fourth Circuit Court on Monday told lawyers in two cases to file new briefs on the scope of its authority. In two identical orders, the three-judge panel indicated it wanted to explore further how to treat the financial penalty that individuals would have to pay to the federal government if they did not obtain health coverage by 2014.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

1 in 3 Employers Will Drop Health Benefits After ObamaCare Kicks In, Survey Finds - FoxNews.com

It goes up to 50% for those employers highly aware of the new law. This is going to hurt the very people he intended to help and everyone else as well. It's a goner. The proof? The sheer number of waivers with the HHS does not even have the authority to pass out. Now there is change you can believe in.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

New inquiry on health care
The Fourth Circuit raises added issues about its authority to rule on the constitutionality of the new health care law’s mandate for virtually everyone to have health insurance coverage.
New inquiry on health care : SCOTUSblog

Looks like the 4th is now looking at calling the mandate a tax. One problem though, the bill termed "PPACA" that was passed originated in the Senate, and was "deemed" to have passed by the House of Representatives. If the individual mandate imposed by Obamacare is now designated a "tax", then the entire PPACA bill would have to be declared unconstitutional, as by federal law any tax legislation must originate in the House of Representatives.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

What the fuck is wrong with the government taking care of the health of ALL of the citizens like in the rest of the world ? Why are you so afraid that government is going to take something away from you? Are you just plain sociopathically selfish or what ? I`m beginning to think you dont know which side of the bread to butter.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

What the fuck is wrong with the government taking care of the health of ALL of the citizens like in the rest of the world ? Why are you so afraid that government is going to take something away from you? Are you just plain sociopathically selfish or what ? I`m beginning to think you dont know which side of the bread to butter.

You really don't read much do you? 1 in 3 companies are about to drop their employees onto government exchanges. Reading...it's fundamental.

My insurance company is starting to question basic procedures and tests I need with my 25 stents. They see the writing on wall. Costs are going to go up.

Wake up man.

Even the 11th circuit is looking like it just might be ready to act sane: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_on_re_us/us_health_overhaul

The NHS is collapsing is the UK.

Read. read. read. Quit being a sheep.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

What the fuck is wrong with the government taking care of the health of ALL of the citizens like in the rest of the world ? Why are you so afraid that government is going to take something away from you? Are you just plain sociopathically selfish or what ? I`m beginning to think you dont know which side of the bread to butter.

Oh, and if you had been reading you would see that Romneycare is a frigging disaster. You want that on the national level. Healthcare for all is doable for a lot less than Obamacare - which is not healthcare for all but rationed healthcare for all.

Go to physicians for reform. Read the story about Barbara Wagner. Yeah, that's what I want for this country. We won't pay for your cancer care, but hey that suicide pill sure is pretty cheap.

Wake the F up.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Oh, and if you had been reading you would see that Romneycare is a frigging disaster. You want that on the national level. Healthcare for all is doable for a lot less than Obamacare - which is not healthcare for all but rationed healthcare for all.

Go to physicians for reform. Read the story about Barbara Wagner. Yeah, that's what I want for this country. We won't pay for your cancer care, but hey that suicide pill sure is pretty cheap.

Wake the F up.

Greg, you are a smart guy, but you just cant see the forest for the trees. :(
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Greg, you are a smart guy, but you just cant see the forest for the trees. :(

At least the 11th circuit is heading in the right direction. Even the LA times is admitting this is not looking good: A bad day for the individual mandate in the 11th Circuit - Right Turn - The Washington Post

To force someone to pay for something just because they are breathing! If that can happen, then Congress can do anything it wants. When the shoe is on the other foot, let's not hear any screaming. That is, if OCare survives - which it won't. I predict a huge backlash if the SCOTUS screws this up. Can anyone say Constitutional Convention? One where states will put in little gems like:

2/3 of state legislatures can over-ride any congressional bill - this one has been kicked around at the highest levels.

Federal Reps and Senators can be recalled

Federal Judges can be removed from the bench by 2/3 of state legislatures

And a ton of other little goodies. Look for the Commerce Clause to be clearly defined as it was in BOTH the federalist and anti-federalist papers and for two hundred years to court over-reach to be overturned at the stroke of a few pens.

Change is coming. One way or the other. I think the courts are beginning to sense it. If the 11th circuit looks like it may slay OCare, that says a lot.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

The people who will be hurt most under ObamaCare: the poor

Small business will suffer so greatly that economic growth itself will be threatened. This is a theme that is now making its way into the mainstream as more and more people are finding out what a total disaster this is:

The New Obamacare Mandates | The Foundry
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

C-Span has made the audio available for the Eleventh Circuit oral argument on the challenge to the President’s health-care legislation. Acting Solicitor General Neal K. Katyal argues on behalf of the federal government, while former Solicitor General Paul Clement represents the plaintiffs challenging the constitutionality of the legislation. The two appeared in front of a three-judge panel of the Eleventh Circuit: Chief Judge Joel F. Dubina, Judge Frank M. Hull, and Judge Stanley Marcus. http://www.c-span.org/Events/Court-Hears-Case-on-Obama-Health-Care-Bill/10737422097-1/.
 
Re: The Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

Dr. Hunter digs up the dirt and does the real research:

While Congress dithers and dickers over long-run changes to Medicare that won’t even take effect for a decade or more—which may or may not be a bad deal for seniors and may or may not actually fix the program and make it fiscally sound for the future—Medicare is being decimated RIGHT NOW by ObamaCare, and Republicans are turning a blind eye to the president’s destruction of the program.

While Congress plays political games on the budget and the debt limit with make-believe “reforms” and fake spending reductions, ObamaCare sinks its tendrils deeper and deeper into our healthcare system.

ObamaCare is strangling America while your representatives in Congress fiddle at politics. The country faces default on the national debt, yet Congress insists on borrowing another $100 billion-plus to spend just implementing Obama’s government takeover of the healthcare system...

...A government takeover that would limit care and hurt seniors the most.

ObamaCare kills Medicare by raiding $550 billion from the program to spend on ObamaCare. Beneath the surface, however, beyond the blizzard of budget numbers that numb the mind, something even more ominous is going on. Part of the $100 billion-plus already in the pipeline to implement the startup of ObamaCare is being spent to erect an elaborate national healthcare-rationing bureaucracy that will hit seniors first and hardest.


That spending authority must be revoked, NOW.

The heart of healthcare rationing under ObamaCare is a bureaucratic panel called the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). IPAB is the real death panel, the true seat of rationing, and the direct path to socialized medicine and an early grave for many seniors.

For example, the Medicare Actuary predicts that by the end of this decade, Medicare will be paying doctors less than what Medicaid (with a notorious medical-provider shortage) pays. By then, one in seven hospitals will have to leave the Medicare system.

It is estimated that one out of three medical physicians will leave their profession because of Obamacare.

It is projected that some 40,000 physicians will leave medicine in the next decade because of ObamaCare.

Remember the horror stories about veterans’ medical care under the VA? That is where Medicare is heading under ObamaCare.

IPAB’s main purpose is to ration healthcare, especially to seniors, by setting prices and limiting medical procedures, devices, medications and other treatments that will be allowed under ObamaCare and Medicare.

This 15-member board (each member earning $165,000 a year) will ration healthcare, especially to seniors, by establishing rigid price controls on what the government will pay doctors and hospitals, reimbursement rates that will be set far below cost.

Seniors increasingly will have enormous difficulty finding a doctor and gaining admission to hospitals. With good reason, the whole purpose of limiting private practice doctors and private hospitals is to drive seniors like cattle into so-called Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs).

The first ACOs are slated to begin January 1, 2012. ACOs will drive small and solo doctors (75 percent of doctors) into group practices that will be forced to follow the rationing protocols or be paid less. There will be more bureaucracy for the patient and the doctors and less personalized care.

Other payment reforms include “pay for performance” where doctors are told how to practice medicine by a committee. Such medical practice has been shown to hurt patients, cause patients to get the wrong medical care so doctors can get a good “report card,” lead doctors to avoid costly and high-risk patients and force doctors to ration care in the name of “efficiency.”

The ACOs make money by “controlling costs.”

How do ACOs control costs?

Simple, they limit the number of expensive tests and procedures that they do by requiring the physicians in their ACO to use “protocols.” “Protocols” are just a fancy word for prescribed treatment and diagnostic regimes for the “average patient.” (I’ve never met an average patient, but I am told they do exist.) The primary care physician will be patients’ main contact with the new medical system and will use protocols to decide what kind of treatment they receive. In essence, the primary care physician will be a “gate keeper” determining whether a patient gets treatment based on nothing more than a formula designed to control cost.

It’s called RATIONING, and it will hit seniors first and hardest.

Although the White House and congressional Democrats are the driving force behind spending hundreds of billions of dollars to implement President Obama’s national healthcare takeover and medical rationing scheme, Republicans are just as culpable.

Republicans talk a good game against ObamaCare but when it comes time to actually do something to stop the implementation of ObamaCare and halt the rationing, they run for the hills. Republicans are all talk, no action on ObamaCare and Medicare cuts. All bluster and bravado, no courage. Excuses not results.

While the Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a symbolic bill to repeal ObamaCare, a bill everyone knew would die in the Senate and the president would never sign anyway, the GOP stubbornly refused, and continues to refuse to use the legislative power and leverage it actually does possess to stop funding ObamaCare now and pull the plug on healthcare rationing.

How on earth can anyone take seriously a political party that blusters and brags about passing a symbolic bill to repeal ObamaCare but then refuses to take action within its power to cease funding the implementation of ObamaCare? Unless you call them on their duplicity, they will continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

I am afraid the Republican Party has become a ventriloquist’s dummy for the White House. You know the way that works—the puppet master has the dummy on his knee spout all sorts of hilarious taunts and insults aimed at the ventriloquist but it is all for show. It’s an act. The dummy is an inert piece of wood controlled by the ventriloquist and what the dummy says is calculated to divert the audience’s attention away from who is really pulling the strings, throwing his voice and putting words in the dummy’s mouth. Suffering a few insults from the dummy is a small price to pay by the ventriloquist for all the box-office receipts. Politicians don’t sell tickets, they beg for campaign donations and votes but they are still selling the same product—slight-of-hand illusion, Showbiz.

If you want to influence your Member of Congress, you’ve got to send them a clear message:

No Action = No Campaign Contributions

No Action = No Vote for You or Your Party

Tell Republicans that “We are not as bad as the Democrats” is not an acceptable platform on which to run for election.

Let them know you won’t be intimidated into voting for the lesser of two evils.

Demand results, not excuses! Make ObamaCare a litmus test for Republicans.

Tell the GOP, “If you don’t cease funding ObamaCare and stop healthcare rationing now, no votes for Republicans at the next election, period, end of story.”

Tell Republicans you will NOT donate a penny to their campaigns nor cast a single vote for any Republican candidate unless they DEFUND OBAMACARE AND STOP HEALTHCARE RATIONING, NOW!

Lawrence A. Hunter, Ph.D.
Social Security Institute
15 Culpeper St.
Warrenton VA, 20187

Feeling better yet? Education to the reality of what this bill is seems to be something many are unwilling to face. Like religion, they grab onto the reins of ObamaCare in a faith-based manner devoid of any grounding in objective reality. They will pay the price just like the rest of us.
 

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