Androgens and acid reflux, peptic ulcer

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Learning about the gut histamine/androgen connection surprised me, so I thought I'd share what I learned about androgens and acid reflux and peptic ulcer, as it is not discussed often. If anyone has any useful information including anecdotes on what's worked for them with respect to AAS-induced acid reflux or peptic ulcer, please share!

Gastric mucosal susceptibility and ulcerogenic effects
acid reflux; peptic ulcer
Androgens are ulcerogenic and enhance the susceptibility of gastric mucosa to the peptic action of gastric juice [1]. Estrogens are protective: females appear to be protected against both gastric hypersecretion and peptic ulcers in those periods in their lives when circulating estrogens are high [1].

Pronounced sex difference in acid reflux and peptic ulcer
The sex difference in the male rat excreting lesser free histamine than the female is ascribed to the sex-related efficiency in the male for metabolic inactivation of histamine via methylation as the principal catabolic pathway [2]... Testosterone increases the proportion of methylhistamine in urine [2]. The female kidney, most pronounced in pregnancy, forms more histamine, and in pregnancy, the activity of histidine decarboxylase (histamine formation capacity of tissues, especially kidney and fetal tissue) is markedly increased [2].

Estrogen provokes a dose- and time- dependent increase in histamine excretion. Progesterone does not alter histamine excretion. Testosterone provokes a striking dose- and time- dependent decrease in histamine excretion. Testosterone virtually abolishes kidney histidine decarboxylase activity.

Histamine and the gut
Histamine serves a function in gastric acid secretion via the H₂ receptors (H₂R). H₂R antagonists potently inhibit acid (HCl) secretion [3].

Gastric mucosa is markedly rich in histamine, and there is a selective accumulation of histamine related to acid secretory cells. Gastric acid secretion is strongly stimulated by histamine and a number of methyl histamine analogs, including n(Me)histamine, n'n'dimethyl histamine, and 4-(Me)histamine [3].
- cimetidine antagonizes histamine by competitive inhibition of H₂ receptors (H₂R) located in gastric parietal cells ⇒ ↓gastric acid secretion & volume & acidity

Histamine interacts with other stimuli of gastric acid secretion: there is potentiation in the parietal cell between histamine, acetylcholine, and gastrin [3]. Other stimuli of gut acid secretion include: food, caffeine, distension, vagal, and other cholinergic agents [3].


Relevant organs
Gastric (stomach) muscle contracts with H₁R stimulation & relaxes with H₂R stimulation
- Gastric emptying is unaffected by H₂R antagonists
Pylorus:
- Histamine has unclear effects on, but does affect, phasic contractions of the pyloric sphincter (frequency, amplitude, duration) via neural & myogenic H₁R
Intestine:
- Ileal contraction with histamine is a classic H₁ effect
Gallbladder:
- H₁R mediate gallbladder contraction by histamine; H₂R mediate gallbladder relaxation
...Blockade of H₂R augments the response to [hormonal agents], suggesting that histamine may modify the response to this class of agents [including androgens?]
[3]

Cimetidine ✖
Tagamet

- cimetidine antagonizes AR by cytosolic binding & inhibits gastric acid secretion
- antagonizes H2 histamine receptor-mediated gastric acid secretory response
- stimulates plasma prolactin

Also:
- binds cytochrome P-450 as a type II ligand, inhibiting its function, causing reduced metabolism of exogenous pharmacological agents (via cyt. P-450)
- alters hepatic metabolism of estrogens (↓2- & 16α- hydroxylation of E₂
- alters hepatic metabolism of androgens (↓formation of polar metabolites [hydroxylated derivatives], producing a marked increase in 3-androstenediol, the fully reduced androgen)
- ↓6β-, 7α-, and 16α- hydroxylation of T (20, 21) [4]

Ranitidine, Famotidine, Nizatidine ✓
Zantac, Pepcid, Axid

Ranitidine and famotidine (2d gen. H₂R antagonists) do not affect cytochrome P-450 metabolism, androgen nor estrogen metabolism [4].

Nizatidine did not antagonize AR, had a less potent and consistent effect on plasma prolactin increase.

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References:

[1] Kowalewski, K., Schier, J. F., & Chmura, G. (1970). Effect of Sex Hormones on Gastric Secretion and on Gastric Mucosa in Oophorectomized Histamine Stimulated Rats. Digestion, 3(1), 13–19. doi:10.1159/000196983
[2] HENNINGSSON, S. S. G., & ROSENGREN, E. (1972). Alterations of histamine metabolism after injections of sex hormones in mice. British Journal of Pharmacology, 44(3), 517–526. doi:10.1111/j.1476-5381.1972.tb07288.x
[3] Hirschowitz, B. I. (1985). Histamine and the Gut. Allergy and Asthma Proceedings, 6(1), 21–27. doi:10.2500/108
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[4] Galbraith, R. A., & Jellinck, P. H. (1989). Differential effects of cimetidine, ranitidine and famotidine on the hepatic metabolism of estrogen and testosterone in male rats. Biochemical Pharmacology, 38(12), 2046–2049. doi:10.1016/0006-2952(89)90507-8
 
Well, it would help if you told us where it came from. None of the citations are from anything after 1989. It definately doesn't provide proof of it claims and is a bit hard to follow even for someone like me in the medical field. It makes false claims about P450 metabolism and anti-histamines, as far as what we know today. And, histamine and the gut is very, very complicated. They try to simplify it but fail.
 
So would anti histamines help this? I have had allergies so I have always been on anti histamines but have always had gi issues. I have always wondered if I have a issues with histamine metabolism or something like that. i have definetly noticed a major increase in gi issues since starting aas and this does not include the use of orals, i have only ran a couple cycles. My allergies have remained constant though
 
Well, it would help if you told us where it came from. None of the citations are from anything after 1989. It definately doesn't provide proof of it claims and is a bit hard to follow even for someone like me in the medical field. It makes false claims about P450 metabolism and anti-histamines, as far as what we know today. And, histamine and the gut is very, very complicated. They try to simplify it but fail.
Me, it's from my notes on androgens and gut histamine. There's only good faith here, trying to understand the anecdotes of gut problems caused by tren and injectable androgens rather than orals alone. The histamine nexus seems to tie them together. I'd have been very happy to use more recent studies if they existed on the topic, but it's all research from that era. I am very open to any correction that can be made, please. Cimetidine (Tagamet), specifically, is metabolized by P-450. That's according to the citation for that "claim." I'm not trying to oversimplify anything, I am trying to make sense of it.
 
So would anti histamines help this? I have had allergies so I have always been on anti histamines but have always had gi issues. I have always wondered if I have a issues with histamine metabolism or something like that. i have definetly noticed a major increase in gi issues since starting aas and this does not include the use of orals, i have only ran a couple cycles. My allergies have remained constant though
Specifically, H2 receptor antagonists seem to help, particularly Zantac (ranitidine), Pepcid (famotidine), and Axid (Nizatidine), are preferable to Tagamet (cimetidine) which acts as an antiandrogen and alters estrogen metabolism. Also, omeprazole is an efficacious medication from a different class of medications (proton-pump inhibitors) with efficacy.
 
i try trt 3 time and every time i got acid reflux,sore gums and join pain...even in dose like 150mg test...first and second time i I thought it could be something else is a cause but now i see even small dose of test give me inflammation
 
Me, it's from my notes on androgens and gut histamine. There's only good faith here, trying to understand the anecdotes of gut problems caused by tren and injectable androgens rather than orals alone. The histamine nexus seems to tie them together. I'd have been very happy to use more recent studies if they existed on the topic, but it's all research from that era. I am very open to any correction that can be made, please. Cimetidine (Tagamet), specifically, is metabolized by P-450. That's according to the citation for that "claim." I'm not trying to oversimplify anything, I am trying to make sense of it.
No my comment was more about the ranitine and famotidine. It does affect p450, sometimes detrimentrally depending on what else you take with it.
 
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And also keep in mind that when using an antihistamine like ranitine or especially famotidine, the liver will not repair itself as usual when damaged. That's very important to an aas user.
 
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And also keep in mind that when using an antihistamine like ranitine or especially famotidine, the liver will not repair itself as usual when damaged. That's very important to an aas user.
That IS important, thank you for this information. That would have to be an important risk-balancing consideration. Given your expertise, what else would you recommend (even besides medications) to ameliorate the increased gastric mucosal susceptibility?
 
Have you read anything about antihistamines, and/or histamines, and their role on exercise response/adaptions/gains ?

And also keep in mind that when using an antihistamine like ranitine or especially famotidine, the liver will not repair itself as usual when damaged. That's very important to an aas user.

Really?? wow. This makes a lot of sense. I have had high ast/alt ever since i started using an h2 antihistamine for sleep..

Its doctor prescribed and ive asked my doc whats up but they are obviously not educated :( Ive even asked for an alternative sleep medication that doesnt work through the histamine pathway but they dont have any suggestions....

Could you please share some more information on this, perhaps some links?
 
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Have you read anything about antihistamines, and/or histamines, and their role on exercise response/adaptions/gains ?



Really?? wow. This makes a lot of sense. I have had high ast/alt ever since i started using an h2 antihistamine for sleep..

Its doctor prescribed and ive asked my doc whats up but they are obviously not educated :( Ive even asked for an alternative sleep medication that doesnt work through the histamine pathway but they dont have any suggestions....

Could you please share some more information on this, perhaps some links?
Generally, early generation antihistamines as a broad class inhibit acetylcholine (bad for strength, bad for body composition). H2R antagonists are a bit more selective and don't seem to cause these issues. The liver effects are something to look into.
 
Generally, early generation antihistamines as a broad class inhibit acetylcholine (bad for strength, bad for body composition). H2R antagonists are a bit more selective and don't seem to cause these issues. The liver effects are something to look into.
The halflife of this medication is 5 hours so i guess i should be safe in that regard as i take it an hour or so before bedtime.

But the liver issue is a bigger problem i woul think as a lot of its regeneration probably happens during sleep when the drug is active.
 
The halflife of this medication is 5 hours so i guess i should be safe in that regard as i take it an hour or so before bedtime.

But the liver issue is a bigger problem i woul think as a lot of its regeneration probably happens during sleep when the drug is active.
Are you taking orals?
 
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