Hogg
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60 minutes aired a piece on the treatment of prisoners at the iraqi prison...uh, forgot the name. Anyway, the prison was staffed by a group of perhaps 7 US personnel while holding upwards of 900 prisoners. The story was aired on a 2 week delay by the request of the Defense Department due to some very disturbing pictures that have leaked to the media.
Now, if you have not watched the show last night, you missed out as I cannot regurgitate the entire segment here in text. For those who have watched it, I wanted to compare my thoughts with yours on this issue.
What I found rather unsettling was the fact that the reserve in charge of the facility was a corrections officer in Virginia. Now, mind you, his excuse for the behavior that occurred at the prison was that he was not given direction....I personally have some issues with it as the photos seemed to display behavior that was reminiscent of nazi-like behavior in concentration camps, yet I suppose without the gas and ovens. It seems very odd to me that 7 weekend soldiers could run a prison of 900 inmates without an upheaval, unless perhaps their methods were draconian. We heard the story of dogs being used on inmates, of psychological and physical 'readying' prior to interrogation, and even allegations of an interpreter ragging a teenage male prisoner up the ass.
The photos confirmed that the prisoners were humiliated and we might say "But they are fucking iraqis and deserved it".....that is fine, providing that we do not bitch when a US soldier is captured and has his fingernails pulled off or is beaten mercilessly during interrogation.....I mean, sure, lets all play by the rules right?
Beyond that, the commander of the prison and that dike with the grit hanging out of her mouth looked like the stereotypical redneck white trash that this country allows to breed without measure....I personally see a good reason to legalize abortion and to sanction sterilization in cases where continuation of the lineage will only propagate another generation of illiterate democrats. Anyway, my question is, would you want an idiot like Frederick deciding your fate if you were a prisoner in this scenario? He seemed far less than competent and perhaps one who was easily influenced. The story suggested that the intelligence agencies played him like a puppet all the while keeping their own hands clean. If I said, "Hey, the CIA needs some money for their next covert operation but we have to keep the money secret in the interest of national security, go into that bank with this mini gun and grab a million dollars in cash, I'll cover for you", would you do it? "But the guy from the CIA told me to do it!" But who did it? Ultimately, who robbed the bank? Were it that we could quit claim responsibility for our own actions, I would be a very rich man right now.
It really puzzles me how we can chastize groups such as the nazis and stalin's forces when there are elements in our own military who act no different. We are not a moral and ethical people. If the media is not around to monitor our activities, we default to our true personnas.
The segment concluded with a photo of a man in a body bag which I found very disturbing. I would wager that the man's death was certainly not painless. Now imagine if Al Jazeerah aired a photo of a US serviceman in similar condition. Would the entire country call for annihilation of Iraq? What will happen when the iraqis see these photos?
As I have stated numerous times, the US needs to demobilize from Iraq, take a bit of verbal browbeating from the international community, and allow time to wash the issue away. I fear that similar stories will appear if this conflict continues and we will face a greater backlash from the international community for our failure to conduct ourselves in a respectable manner. It seems that we preach humane treatment of the world's people but act otherwise.
Now I will turn the floor over and sit here and wait for the response of a true patriot, you know, someone with some real intelligence...the type of guy that will respond: "Love it or leave it man, we should fucken nuke those fucken iracki fucken fuckers, god bless all our fucken soldiers man, fucken fuck iraq"
Now, if you have not watched the show last night, you missed out as I cannot regurgitate the entire segment here in text. For those who have watched it, I wanted to compare my thoughts with yours on this issue.
What I found rather unsettling was the fact that the reserve in charge of the facility was a corrections officer in Virginia. Now, mind you, his excuse for the behavior that occurred at the prison was that he was not given direction....I personally have some issues with it as the photos seemed to display behavior that was reminiscent of nazi-like behavior in concentration camps, yet I suppose without the gas and ovens. It seems very odd to me that 7 weekend soldiers could run a prison of 900 inmates without an upheaval, unless perhaps their methods were draconian. We heard the story of dogs being used on inmates, of psychological and physical 'readying' prior to interrogation, and even allegations of an interpreter ragging a teenage male prisoner up the ass.
The photos confirmed that the prisoners were humiliated and we might say "But they are fucking iraqis and deserved it".....that is fine, providing that we do not bitch when a US soldier is captured and has his fingernails pulled off or is beaten mercilessly during interrogation.....I mean, sure, lets all play by the rules right?
Beyond that, the commander of the prison and that dike with the grit hanging out of her mouth looked like the stereotypical redneck white trash that this country allows to breed without measure....I personally see a good reason to legalize abortion and to sanction sterilization in cases where continuation of the lineage will only propagate another generation of illiterate democrats. Anyway, my question is, would you want an idiot like Frederick deciding your fate if you were a prisoner in this scenario? He seemed far less than competent and perhaps one who was easily influenced. The story suggested that the intelligence agencies played him like a puppet all the while keeping their own hands clean. If I said, "Hey, the CIA needs some money for their next covert operation but we have to keep the money secret in the interest of national security, go into that bank with this mini gun and grab a million dollars in cash, I'll cover for you", would you do it? "But the guy from the CIA told me to do it!" But who did it? Ultimately, who robbed the bank? Were it that we could quit claim responsibility for our own actions, I would be a very rich man right now.
It really puzzles me how we can chastize groups such as the nazis and stalin's forces when there are elements in our own military who act no different. We are not a moral and ethical people. If the media is not around to monitor our activities, we default to our true personnas.
The segment concluded with a photo of a man in a body bag which I found very disturbing. I would wager that the man's death was certainly not painless. Now imagine if Al Jazeerah aired a photo of a US serviceman in similar condition. Would the entire country call for annihilation of Iraq? What will happen when the iraqis see these photos?
As I have stated numerous times, the US needs to demobilize from Iraq, take a bit of verbal browbeating from the international community, and allow time to wash the issue away. I fear that similar stories will appear if this conflict continues and we will face a greater backlash from the international community for our failure to conduct ourselves in a respectable manner. It seems that we preach humane treatment of the world's people but act otherwise.
Now I will turn the floor over and sit here and wait for the response of a true patriot, you know, someone with some real intelligence...the type of guy that will respond: "Love it or leave it man, we should fucken nuke those fucken iracki fucken fuckers, god bless all our fucken soldiers man, fucken fuck iraq"
