Approximate gains per year on PEDs

[snowman96]

Can anyone share from his own experience, how the amount of possible muscle-gain on PEDs will be over the years?

Let´s assume, that someone has trained natural for some years and then starts with steroid-doses between 500-1000 mg, then he will often gain around 20-25 lbs of muscle in the first year, but it will become slower and slower over the time.
Then he starts with HGH around 8 iU per day and insulin after 1-1,5 years of steroids only, and will certainly get another significant boost in gains, maybe again 20-25 lbs of muscle in the following year.

But how much more gains are then still attainable, after you got the gains from your first boost of the first steroid-cycles, and the second boost of HGH and insulin?

 

[Palifter]

This is an impossible question to answer due to genetics being the biggest unknown variable and limiting factor.

 

[snowman96]

This is an impossible question to answer due to genetics being the biggest unknown variable and limiting factor.

But for someone with average genetics?...
20-25 lbs of muscle after one year of steroids seems to be the average, and another 20 lbs after 1 year of HGH also.
I am wondering, if most gains on PEDs can already be made after 2 years, when you start with HGH and insulin early.

 

[eery]

around 0-15lbs a year

 

[Benf15harp]

Up to but not more than 50 lbs of water.

 

[buzzingonaas]

All depends on so many factors. Give someone with average to decent genetics some AAS plus GH after barely any time lifting and they could gain 35lb of muscle (equating for fat and water gain from about 70lb total weight gain) may or may not be speaking from experience

 

[Fattyone]

This is an impossible question to answer due to genetics being the biggest unknown variable and limiting factor.

Op if you need to know how much with sub par genetics lemme know.

 

[lukiss96]

This is not linear at all. Just like many things in life. You can't count on it. Assuming you had a decent muscular base then first cycle will yield 80% of gains, then second and third another 5-10% and from there on it's just a hard grind.

P.S. keep in mind many here are older men who jumped on steroids way before they actually needed to. So their experience is very different.