Are you ok with Muslim refugees moving in next to you in the US?

[Michael Scally MD]

Strategies To Defeat ISIS
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/strategies-defeat-isis-51877

Following last week’s deadly Paris attacks and numerous other violent incidents perpetrated by the terror group ISIS, many governments and populations worldwide are wondering how we can eliminate this threat.

Here are some strategies to defeat the Islamic State:

· Publish a long-form article detailing the challenges involved in fighting an enemy that does not value human life
· Refuse to appear terrorized by this constant, worldwide threat of violence and death
· Organize a coup, leaving the U.S. free to prop up the ISIS leader of their choice
· Spend $1.7 trillion
· Attempt to compromise with our adversary by meeting them halfway on their demand to spill the blood of all apostates
· Stop flow of new ISIS recruits from West by encouraging disaffected youth to join violent extremist groups back home
· Maybe draw them out to sea?
· Simply coordinate with our allies on a comprehensive strategy that targets ISIS militants while limiting civilian casualties, while simultaneously addressing the longstanding socioeconomic struggles that drive young Arab men to embrace radicalism, reaching out to liberal and moderate factions within Syria, and addressing our own prejudices that galvanize support for terror around the Islamic world
· Train and arm somebody else’s kids to go over there and shoot them

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Washington’s Wave of Anti-Refugee Hysteria is Missing Something: Facts
http://www.cgdev.org/blog/washingtons-wave-anti-refugee-hysteria-missing-something-facts

In times of fear, men and women of reason have a responsibility to speak about facts.

I understand fear. I narrowly escaped a terrorist bomb in Colombia as a young man. Fear can make you do things you regret when you learn the facts. And in the United States now, fact-checking has been replaced by fear-mongering, hard evidence by hysteria.

The U.S. House of Representatives yesterday voted to effectively block the United States from taking in refugees from Iraq and Syria. A U.S. senator is pushing a bill to ban refugees from 34 countries, from Indonesia to Turkey. Most U.S. state governors have promised to reject all Syrian refugees, including women, orphaned children, and the gravely wounded. They rationalize these acts by referring to unconnected events in Paris last Friday.

Not one of these politicians has any evidence that the Paris attacks were connected to any refugee. A Syrian passport that was placed near one of the attacks is now known to be fake, purchased from a counterfeiter. It is hypothetically possible that one of the attackers may later turn out to have been a refugee, but no politician now rushing to retaliate against refugees has evidence of that.

And even if a refugee were somehow connected to the Paris attacks, that would not justify trapping tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in a horrific war zone. That is the moral and logical equivalent of locking up all white American men due to the actions of white American terrorist Dylann Roof. As a white American male, I have the same connection to Dylann Roof as essentially all refugees have to the actions of the twisted murderers in Paris: no connection at all.

People of reason must remember three facts.

• Scholars have studied immigrants for decades and have found no statistical connection between immigration and crime in general, or violent crime in particular. There is no evidence that refugees are any different. You are at least as much at risk from your current neighbor as you are from any resettled refugee. The United States already extensively vets asylum applicants for links to terrorism, as it should.
• Of the 859,629 refugees that the United States has welcomed since 2001, three have been convicted for planning terror attacks overseas. Zero have been convicted for involvement in terror attacks within the United States. Zero have been convicted for actually carrying out a terror attack anywhere. Attacks in the United States by home-grown terrorists like Michael Page are responsible for five times as many deaths as attacks by American Muslims, according to Professor Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina.
• Refugees directly benefit the United States, including economically. Typical refugees work more, earn more, and speak better English than non-refugee immigrants, as Professor Kalena Cortes of Texas A&M University has shown. This is why refugees, despite the assistance they receive on arrival, make a http://www.oecd.org/migration/How-will-the-refugee-surge-affect-the-European-economy.pdf (net positive contribution to public coffers) in the long run. A refugee co-founded Intel Corporation; another refugee served as U.S. Secretary of State; another refugee is one of America’s most successful businessmen of all time; another refugee shot Easy Rider and Ghostbusters. Refugees are generally a gift; admitting them is an act of shared interest.

...

 

[Primordial949]

I have been to Europe as well, many times and for extended periods, as well as have family in Paris mainly but also several other cities in France. They still love their children just as much as we do here and Europeans do in Europe. You're saying they are incompatible and I'm asking for the headlines, stories, reports, etc of where they're incompatible. Do you think a refugee running for their life and that of their family is troubled by incompatibility or did you mean an extremist?

You sound like a level headed person so I'm sure you treated them with dignity and that's commendable in this day and age. I guess my issue with your comment is that I agree we have issues of our own to deal with here but most, if not all, those issues don't involve life or death. We have homeless, we have injured vets, we have families losing their houses, we have people losing jobs, a shitty economy, etc etc etc but these issues aren't killing people by the thousands.

You see it as Muslim refugees coming here or refugees in general whereas I'm looking at it as these are human beings that are suffering and could use any help they can get. We would be no better than animals if we continue to turn our backs on our own kind (and I'm not talking race, religion, ethnic background etc but about species). We are in a budget deficit and have many unresolved issues but if it is within our power to help I feel like we should. If money is an issue let's go after the government and it's wasteful spending. The US government spent $187,587 to find out if Japanese quail engage in risky sexual behavior while on cocaine, $200,000 on a tattoo removal program in California, $3,000,000 was granted to the University of California Irvine to study video games, $615,000 given to the University of California Santa Cruz to digitize memorabilia of the Greatful Dead, $2,600,000 was spent to teach Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly, untold billions of dollars are spent on an illogical war and drugs and incarcerating non-violent offenders, and too many more things to list. All this wasted money could have been spent on not only helping Syrian refugees but also our own issues that you pointed out.

I don't view it as us or them. I view at as doing what needs to be done and doing the right thing. The people profiting off these wars don't want it to end as it would mean their income and revenue would take a hit but at the end of the day the Syrians are just as much human as we are and deserve to be treated as such.

You make some valid points - I appreciate your input and contribution to the discussion. I'm still wholeheartedly opposed to allowing refugees into the country - we have to draw the line somewhere. You correctly pointed out how irresponsible our own government has been in terms of spending and financial management in general. Politicians typically have zero business sense and let's be honest, America is big business! We have a corrupt, inept government and a worthless president with no spine. The progressives have excelled at destroying the very core that once made us great and as history shows us, all " great" empires collapse at some point. We are headed in that direction and really the only way to slow it down is for us, as a nation, to pull our heads out of our asses, put the political correctness to bed for good and get real!!! As far as lending a helping hand to others in need, this nation has been extremely charitable in helping others in times of need and my argument is we can still help those in need (refugees included) without opening up our doors to them.

 

[Jerry]

Washington’s Wave of Anti-Refugee Hysteria is Missing Something: Facts
http://www.cgdev.org/blog/washingtons-wave-anti-refugee-hysteria-missing-something-facts

In times of fear, men and women of reason have a responsibility to speak about facts.

I understand fear. I narrowly escaped a terrorist bomb in Colombia as a young man. Fear can make you do things you regret when you learn the facts. And in the United States now, fact-checking has been replaced by fear-mongering, hard evidence by hysteria.

The U.S. House of Representatives yesterday voted to effectively block the United States from taking in refugees from Iraq and Syria. A U.S. senator is pushing a bill to ban refugees from 34 countries, from Indonesia to Turkey. Most U.S. state governors have promised to reject all Syrian refugees, including women, orphaned children, and the gravely wounded. They rationalize these acts by referring to unconnected events in Paris last Friday.

Not one of these politicians has any evidence that the Paris attacks were connected to any refugee. A Syrian passport that was placed near one of the attacks is now known to be fake, purchased from a counterfeiter. It is hypothetically possible that one of the attackers may later turn out to have been a refugee, but no politician now rushing to retaliate against refugees has evidence of that.

And even if a refugee were somehow connected to the Paris attacks, that would not justify trapping tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in a horrific war zone. That is the moral and logical equivalent of locking up all white American men due to the actions of white American terrorist Dylann Roof. As a white American male, I have the same connection to Dylann Roof as essentially all refugees have to the actions of the twisted murderers in Paris: no connection at all.

People of reason must remember three facts.

• 
  
  
  • Scholars have studied immigrants for decades and have found no statistical connection between immigration and crime in general, or violent crime in particular. There is no evidence that refugees are any different. You are at least as much at risk from your current neighbor as you are from any resettled refugee. The United States already extensively vets asylum applicants for links to terrorism, as it should.
  • Of the 859,629 refugees that the United States has welcomed since 2001, three have been convicted for planning terror attacks overseas. Zero have been convicted for involvement in terror attacks within the United States. Zero have been convicted for actually carrying out a terror attack anywhere. Attacks in the United States by home-grown terrorists like Michael Page are responsible for five times as many deaths as attacks by American Muslims, according to Professor Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina.
  • Refugees directly benefit the United States, including economically. Typical refugees work more, earn more, and speak better English than non-refugee immigrants, as Professor Kalena Cortes of Texas A&M University has shown. This is why refugees, despite the assistance they receive on arrival, make a http://www.oecd.org/migration/How-will-the-refugee-surge-affect-the-European-economy.pdf (net positive contribution to public coffers) in the long run. A refugee co-founded Intel Corporation; another refugee served as U.S. Secretary of State; another refugee is one of America’s most successful businessmen of all time; another refugee shot Easy Rider and Ghostbusters. Refugees are generally a gift; admitting them is an act of shared interest.

...

I just love how some people feel free to dictate the racial, cultural composition of a given country. Bring on the foreigners and give them all that has been accumulated by generations of our predecessors through their blood sweat and tears so that I may boldly proclaim that I am not a racist. Bravo you sir are a scholar and a gentleman indeed. Never mind that all of the white countries populations are falling off the cliff as long we can replace the unborn with third worlders everything will be fine.

Here is a quick excerpt from a like minded fellow I'm sure:

The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It�s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews [due to the actions taken by the French Revolution]

The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=32145

 

[Michael Scally MD]

'Americans saved my life': former refugees from Iraq perplexed by US fears
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/21/iraqi-kurdish-refugees-us-response-syria

Displaced Kurds from the Persian Gulf war in 1991 say politicians’ backlash against taking in Syrian refugees is a stark contrast to what they experienced

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Washington’s Wave of Anti-Refugee Hysteria is Missing Something: Facts
http://www.cgdev.org/blog/washingtons-wave-anti-refugee-hysteria-missing-something-facts

In times of fear, men and women of reason have a responsibility to speak about facts.

I understand fear. I narrowly escaped a terrorist bomb in Colombia as a young man. Fear can make you do things you regret when you learn the facts. And in the United States now, fact-checking has been replaced by fear-mongering, hard evidence by hysteria.

The U.S. House of Representatives yesterday voted to effectively block the United States from taking in refugees from Iraq and Syria. A U.S. senator is pushing a bill to ban refugees from 34 countries, from Indonesia to Turkey. Most U.S. state governors have promised to reject all Syrian refugees, including women, orphaned children, and the gravely wounded. They rationalize these acts by referring to unconnected events in Paris last Friday.

Not one of these politicians has any evidence that the Paris attacks were connected to any refugee. A Syrian passport that was placed near one of the attacks is now known to be fake, purchased from a counterfeiter. It is hypothetically possible that one of the attackers may later turn out to have been a refugee, but no politician now rushing to retaliate against refugees has evidence of that.

And even if a refugee were somehow connected to the Paris attacks, that would not justify trapping tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in a horrific war zone. That is the moral and logical equivalent of locking up all white American men due to the actions of white American terrorist Dylann Roof. As a white American male, I have the same connection to Dylann Roof as essentially all refugees have to the actions of the twisted murderers in Paris: no connection at all.

People of reason must remember three facts.

• 
  
  
  • Scholars have studied immigrants for decades and have found no statistical connection between immigration and crime in general, or violent crime in particular. There is no evidence that refugees are any different. You are at least as much at risk from your current neighbor as you are from any resettled refugee. The United States already extensively vets asylum applicants for links to terrorism, as it should.
  • Of the 859,629 refugees that the United States has welcomed since 2001, three have been convicted for planning terror attacks overseas. Zero have been convicted for involvement in terror attacks within the United States. Zero have been convicted for actually carrying out a terror attack anywhere. Attacks in the United States by home-grown terrorists like Michael Page are responsible for five times as many deaths as attacks by American Muslims, according to Professor Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina.
  • Refugees directly benefit the United States, including economically. Typical refugees work more, earn more, and speak better English than non-refugee immigrants, as Professor Kalena Cortes of Texas A&M University has shown. This is why refugees, despite the assistance they receive on arrival, make a http://www.oecd.org/migration/How-will-the-refugee-surge-affect-the-European-economy.pdf (net positive contribution to public coffers) in the long run. A refugee co-founded Intel Corporation; another refugee served as U.S. Secretary of State; another refugee is one of America’s most successful businessmen of all time; another refugee shot Easy Rider and Ghostbusters. Refugees are generally a gift; admitting them is an act of shared interest.

...

Prior studies are irrelevant - those have involved industrious people - e.g. Jews WW2, Asians from any country, Europeans during the early years of the nation. All individuals who want to assimilate.

Muslims clearly have little to no such intent, and they're generally speaking uneducated or even anti-education.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Dear Gov. Snyder:

I just wanted to let you know that, contrary to your declaration of denying Syrian refugees a home in our state of Michigan, I myself am going to defy your ban and will offer MY home in Traverse City, Michigan, to those very Syrian refugees you've decided to keep out. I will contact the State Department to let them know I am happy to provide a safe haven to any Syrian refugee couple approved by the Obama administration's vetting procedures in which I have full faith and trust.

Your action is not only disgraceful, it is, as you know, unconstitutional (only the President has the legal right to decide things like this).

What you've done is anti-American. This is not who we are supposed to be. We are, for better and for worse, a nation of descendants of three groups: slaves from Africa who were brought here in chains and then forced to provide trillions of dollars of free labor to build this country; native peoples who were mostly exterminated by white Christians through acts of mass genocide; and immigrants from EVERYWHERE around the globe. In Michigan we are fortunate to count amongst us tens of thousands of Arab and Muslim Americans.

I'm disappointed in you, Governor Snyder, for your heartless and un-Christian actions, and for joining in with at least 25 other governors (all but one a Republican) who've decided to block legal Syrian refugees from coming into their states. Fortunately I'm an American and not a Republican.

Governor, count me out of whatever you think it means to be a Michigander. I look forward to welcoming Syrians to my home and I wholeheartedly encourage other Americans to do the same.

Michael Moore

P.S. By the way, my 700-sq. ft. apartment in northern Michigan is a little small, but it's got cable, wi-fi and a new dishwasher! Also, no haters live on my floor! Stop by any time for a hot chocolate this winter.

https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10153140950126857

 

[Docd187123]

Prior studies are irrelevant - those have involved industrious people - e.g. Jews WW2, Asians from any country, Europeans during the early years of the nation. All individuals who want to assimilate.

Muslims clearly have little to no such intent, and they're generally speaking uneducated or even anti-education.

This post is in stark contrast to your prior post about confounding 3 groups of ppl lololol.

So Muslims that are being killed by other Muslims in their homeland who wish to come here to live their lives without being murdered don't want to assimilate? I mean that makes for a good April fools joke but doesn't describe reality in the least.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

There Are Serious, Unbigoted Reasons to Be Wary of a Flood of Syrian Refugees
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/427242/print
By Ian Tuttle — November 18, 2015

Among politicians and their clingers-on, journalists, nothing takes hold like a bad historical analogy. Thus as politicians — 29 governors chief among them — call for a halt to our Syrian-refugee-resettlement program on the grounds that it might be exploited as a conduit for terrorists, pundits are invoking the plight of Jewish refugees fleeing Adolf Hitler’s Germany in an effort to soften American hearts. The Washington Post’s https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-xenophobic-bidding-war/2015/11/16/b07352a2-8ca5-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html (Dana Milbank) wrote Monday, “This growing cry to turn away people fleeing for their lives brings to mind the SS St. Louis, the ship of Jewish refugees turned away from Florida in 1939,” while his colleague https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/what-americans-thought-of-jewish-refugees-on-the-eve-of-world-war-ii/ (Ishaan Tharoor) contended: “Today’s 3-year-old Syrian orphan, it seems, is 1939’s German Jewish child.” Meanwhile, a Daily Kos headline shouts: “Replace ‘Syrian’ with ‘Jewish’ and we’re back to 1939.”

This is prima facie nonsense, which should be obvious from the terms being compared: Jews, an ethnic group, with Syrians, a national one. An honest, apples-to-apples comparison would line up German Jews and Syrian Muslims — the relevant ethnic group within the relevant political entity. But do this, and the failure of the analogy becomes clear.

The first, and most obvious, difference: There was no international conspiracy of German Jews in the 1930s attempting to carry out daily attacks on civilians on several continents. No self-identifying Jews in the early 20th century were randomly massacring European citizens in magazine offices and concert halls, and there was no “Jewish State” establishing sovereignty over tens of thousands of square miles of territory, and publicly slaughtering anyone who opposed its advance. Among Syrian Muslims, there is. The vast majority of Syrian Muslims are not party to these strains of radicalism and violence, but it would be dangerous to suggest that they do not exist, or that our refugee-resettlement program need not take account of them.

On a related note, the sympathies of Syrian Muslims are more diverse than those of Nazi-era German Jews. A recent http://english.dohainstitute.org/content/6a355a64-5237-4d7a-b957-87f6b1ceba9b of 900 Syrian refugees found that one in eight hold a “to some extent”-positive view of the Islamic State (another 4 percent said that they did not know or refused to answer). A non-trivial minority of refugees who support a murderous, metastatic caliphate is a reason for serious concern. No 13 percent of Jews looked favorably upon the Nazi party.

Third, European Jews in the early 20th century were more amenable to assimilation than are Syrian Muslims in the early 21st. By the time of the rise of Nazism, Jews had participated in the intellectual and cultural life of Germany for a century and a half — a life that, despite regional particularities, indisputably fell under the broad banner of Western civilization, in which America participated, too. Moving from Munich to Miami took some getting used to, but you could hear Beethoven in both. Syria stands largely outside of that tradition. For 500 years, Syria was part of the Ottoman Empire. When it collapsed, Syria fell briefly under French rule, eventually gaining independence only to succumb to the dictatorship of the Assads, père et fils. The intellectual, cultural, and political traditions of Syria are not in concert with those of the West, and it would be foolish to think that that does not matter — especially when combined with the uncertain sympathies noted above.

RELATED: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427153/refugee-resettlement-immoral?target=topic&tid=4056

Finally: Jewish refugees — for example, those in the SS St. Louis — were coming from Germany (or Nazi-controlled Austria or Czechoslovakia), but most Syrian refugees seeking entry into the United States have already found refuge elsewhere. Of the 18,000 refugee-resettlement referrals that the United States has received from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, “the vast majority,” according to the State Department, are from Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, and Egypt (and Iraq, parts of which remain sanctuaries from the Islamic State). It is one thing to rescue Jews from imminent danger; it is another to offer greater safety to those who already have it.

But because they are invested in condemning skeptics of this resettlement program as “xenophobes” and “bigots” — Milbank’s words — many have papered over these concrete historical differences, preferring to scold America for a failure of “compassion” 75 years ago, and to warn against a similar failure now. As Refugee Council USA tweeted: “B4 WWII Americans didn’t want Jewish #refugees -we came to regret not letting them in. We can’t do same w/ Syrians[.]”

“No regrets” is a hashtag, not a policy proposal. There are serious, bigotry-free reasons to be wary of accepting Syrian refugees en masse, and historical comparisons should aim to illuminate the situation, not obscure it.

— Ian Tuttle is a William F. Buckley Jr. Fellow in Political Journalism at the National Review Institute.

 

[xy5jn0]

Dear Gov. Snyder:

I just wanted to let you know that, contrary to your declaration of denying Syrian refugees a home in our state of Michigan, I myself am going to defy your ban and will offer MY home in Traverse City, Michigan, to those very Syrian refugees you've decided to keep out. I will contact the State Department to let them know I am happy to provide a safe haven to any Syrian refugee couple approved by the Obama administration's vetting procedures in which I have full faith and trust.

Your action is not only disgraceful, it is, as you know, unconstitutional (only the President has the legal right to decide things like this).

What you've done is anti-American. This is not who we are supposed to be. We are, for better and for worse, a nation of descendants of three groups: slaves from Africa who were brought here in chains and then forced to provide trillions of dollars of free labor to build this country; native peoples who were mostly exterminated by white Christians through acts of mass genocide; and immigrants from EVERYWHERE around the globe. In Michigan we are fortunate to count amongst us tens of thousands of Arab and Muslim Americans.

I'm disappointed in you, Governor Snyder, for your heartless and un-Christian actions, and for joining in with at least 25 other governors (all but one a Republican) who've decided to block legal Syrian refugees from coming into their states. Fortunately I'm an American and not a Republican.

Governor, count me out of whatever you think it means to be a Michigander. I look forward to welcoming Syrians to my home and I wholeheartedly encourage other Americans to do the same.

Michael Moore

P.S. By the way, my 700-sq. ft. apartment in northern Michigan is a little small, but it's got cable, wi-fi and a new dishwasher! Also, no haters live on my floor! Stop by any time for a hot chocolate this winter.

https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10153140950126857

And I can guarantee you Michael Moore will never see them except to exploit them for a photo op. I find it hard to believe Michael Moore even has 700 Sq ft apartment. That fat fuck wouldn't fit in it!

 

[Primordial949]

And I can guarantee you Michael Moore will never see them except to exploit them for a photo op. I find it hard to believe Michael Moore even has 700 Sq ft apartment. That fat fuck wouldn't fit in it!

Amen! Michael Moore, like Quentin Tarantino, seeks publicity and publicity only to elevate his own status. He is a piece of shit who, like you said, only says things to exploit an opportunity. As a matter of fact, none of these Hollywood scumbags would open their homes to those in need,but they are the first to claim "we" should! Again, there are plenty of homeless people, battered women and neglected children on our city streets lacking the essentials so let's try to take care of these issues first before opening our doors to a bunch of refugees!

 

[Michael Scally MD]

The GOP Stampede Toward Fascism After the Paris Attacks
We are witnessing one of the most morally calamitous reactions to a refugee crisis in the country’s history.
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-gop-stampede-toward-fascism-after-the-paris-attacks/

...

The victims of ISIS (as well as the broader war in Syria) have been fleeing in unprecedented numbers—fleeing to Lebanon, to Turkey, taking deadly boat journeys across the Mediterranean, walking across countries, across continents—seeking safety and sanctuary. Many have died on this journey, including young children drowned at sea. Many more, inevitably, will die on this journey. It is a spectacle of misery extraordinary in its scale, and in its moral urgency.

And yet, after November 13, countries across Europe have begun shutting out these refugees, and in the United States we are witnessing one of the most morally calamitous reactions to a refugee crisis in the country’s history.

Over the past several days, one Republican governor after another has closed his state to refugees from Syria—or, since they technically do not have the legal power to prevent the federal government from admitting refugees, has pledged to refuse all state resources to aid in this process. A Republican mayor in Virginia has called for using the World War II internment system that was used against Japanese Americans—itself one of the most widely discredited and shameful episodes in recent American history—as a model for how to approach the Syrians. Some Texas Republicans have argued that they should not take in Syrian refugees because they already are dealing with undocumented immigrants from Mexico—and that they can’t take in Syrian refugees because it would be too easy for them to buy guns (that may be true… but, as we’ve seen so often in recent years, it’s equally easy for angry young white Christian men to purchase guns and go on mass-shooting sprees, and yet Texas hasn’t closed its borders to that demographic, nor have its political leaders made any effort to enforce sensible gun-control policies).

Jeb Bush has said we ought to prioritize refugee status for Christians. John Kasich has called for a government agency that would beam “Judeo-Christian values” over Middle Eastern airwaves. In Congress, the GOP-led House, with a shockingly large number of Democrats in support, just voted on a bill that would make it virtually impossible, in practice, to admit Syrian refugees into the country. And Donald Trump has used the crime against humanity that occurred last week in Paris as a prop in his vicious campaign of demagoguery: Because of Paris, he has said, we must get serious about building a wall to close off Mexico. Because of Paris, we must put security first above all civil liberties. Because of Paris, we must start up again the few post-9/11 surveillance programs that were curtailed by courts and politicians because of their abusive properties, and must maintain and expand a raft of others. A surveillance state briefly put in the dock by Edward Snowden will, in this vision, be fully unleashed and unchecked. And because of Paris, we ought to consider registering American Muslims in a special database.

There is an odor of early fascism, or rather of the hysteria that precedes the march away from democracy, to much of this Trumpian rhetoric. An odor of the street fight. An odor of the iron fist.

It is an acrid smell, a mid-century aroma tinted with totalitarianism and historical ignorance. No society can protect its open, pluralistic politics by thoughtlessly clamping down on civil liberties. No country can seriously sustain its claim to being a beacon for human liberty if its most demagogic forces are unleashed against vulnerable, hungry, scared, and desperate refugees.

 

[Jerry]

Dear Gov. Snyder:

I just wanted to let you know that, contrary to your declaration of denying Syrian refugees a home in our state of Michigan, I myself am going to defy your ban and will offer MY home in Traverse City, Michigan, to those very Syrian refugees you've decided to keep out. I will contact the State Department to let them know I am happy to provide a safe haven to any Syrian refugee couple approved by the Obama administration's vetting procedures in which I have full faith and trust.

Your action is not only disgraceful, it is, as you know, unconstitutional (only the President has the legal right to decide things like this).

What you've done is anti-American. This is not who we are supposed to be. We are, for better and for worse, a nation of descendants of three groups: slaves from Africa who were brought here in chains and then forced to provide trillions of dollars of free labor to build this country; native peoples who were mostly exterminated by white Christians through acts of mass genocide; and immigrants from EVERYWHERE around the globe. In Michigan we are fortunate to count amongst us tens of thousands of Arab and Muslim Americans.

I'm disappointed in you, Governor Snyder, for your heartless and un-Christian actions, and for joining in with at least 25 other governors (all but one a Republican) who've decided to block legal Syrian refugees from coming into their states. Fortunately I'm an American and not a Republican.

Governor, count me out of whatever you think it means to be a Michigander. I look forward to welcoming Syrians to my home and I wholeheartedly encourage other Americans to do the same.

Michael Moore

P.S. By the way, my 700-sq. ft. apartment in northern Michigan is a little small, but it's got cable, wi-fi and a new dishwasher! Also, no haters live on my floor! Stop by any time for a hot chocolate this winter.

https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10153140950126857

Cultural Marxism at its best. Thank God for the 2nd amendment. These haters can't wait long enough for the re-education camps to arrive.

 

[Jerry]

When will real men of character stand up to this goody two-shoes type that can not see past their own female like emotional way of thinking. Is the age of reason over? to be replaced with emotional outburst of feminized men that take their cue from the vast anti-western, anti-white propaganda machine?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

When will real men of character stand up to this goody two-shoes type that can not see past their own female like emotional way of thinking. Is the age of reason over? to be replaced with emotional outburst of feminized men that take their cue from the vast anti-western, anti-white propaganda machine?

The Paris attacks proved the right in Europe were right and the left are in a full-fledged panic. If Europe's ruling class refuses to reverse direction, Europe is headed towards civil war. FWIW, I don't believe they have the stomach to change direction.

 

[Primordial949]

The Paris attacks proved the right in Europe were right and the left are in a full-fledged panic. If Europe's ruling class refuses to reverse direction, Europe is headed towards civil war. FWIW, I don't believe they have the stomach to change direction.

Very well-said!

 

[xy5jn0]

You notice how the left has no problem citing the Westboro Baptist Church as Christian radicals (they are, all 20 of them) but can't bring themselves to say Islamic Radicals (of which there's at least tens of thousands)?

 

[Sworder]

When will real men of character stand up to this goody two-shoes type that can not see past their own female like emotional way of thinking. Is the age of reason over? to be replaced with emotional outburst of feminized men that take their cue from the vast anti-western, anti-white propaganda machine?

lol

 

[Primordial949]

You notice how the left has no problem citing the Westboro Baptist Church as Christian radicals (they are, all 20 of them) but can't bring themselves to say Islamic Radicals (of which there's at least tens of thousands)?

Like I said, we need to put the political correctness to bed and get real! If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a fucking duck! Political correctness is killing us!!

 

[Sworder]

Like I said, we need to put the political correctness to bed and get real! If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a fucking duck! Political correctness is killing us!!

What are you even saying? My interpretation seems to be that you don't want any Muslims, all Muslims are bad?

Or can you make it more specific? The risks of taking them in is too great because of terrorism? Or America should take care of itself before helping others?