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I'd love for you to test some raws. There are zero additives such as dyes, oils, or whatever.

Cool they make these tests but is there's Zero scientific evidence or proof or anything at all that proves these tests are 100 percent legitimate? I looked at the website and there are 0 credentials there are 0 certificates that proove this guy is even involved in chemistry. there's no mention he's licensed or certified in the field of Chemistry. There is zero mention of staff or detailed info on how these tests were created or how they work, what chemical reaction takes place and or why. Just some guy from china that speaks broken english saying "good vars are hard to find" I wont avoid the issue at hand but I won't acknowledge these tests whether they're in my favor or not. Example If they say all my products are good I still don't care, I need more info on these tests and they lack heavy in that department.

flenser said:
The test result for dbol is red. Orange dye, if it has any effect at all, will make the result less red. If the result is red, it's dbol. If it turns some shade of orange or yellow, you may have a point.
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Astro Labs said:
I'd love for you to test some raws. There are zero additives such as dyes, oils, or whatever.

Cool they make these tests but is there's Zero scientific evidence or proof or anything at all that proves these tests are 100 percent legitimate? I looked at the website and there are 0 credentials there are 0 certificates that proove this guy is even involved in chemistry. there's no mention he's licensed or certified in the field of Chemistry. There is zero mention of staff or detailed info on how these tests were created or how they work, what chemical reaction takes place and or why. Just some guy from china that speaks broken english saying "good vars are hard to find" I wont avoid the issue at hand but I won't acknowledge these tests whether they're in my favor or not. Example If they say all my products are good I still don't care, I need more info on these tests and they lack heavy in that department.
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He's a reseller. Spyder posted the manufacturer's site on another thread.

Code: 
http://www.mmcinter.com/index.php

Since you have all the gear, maybe you should pick up a few test kits. I promise you won't be the last one to test your gear.
 
Why I pay for HPLC mass spec testing. I get purity results which is the real importance. These test sound good but if all a source has to do is put any amount of a real hormone in there then underdosing is going to be your new concern and one that may happen more frequently.

Hey I'm all about testing the product I don't think I could stress that enough. I mean I've already showed 6 mass spec results on my powders. I believe testing is great you can weed out a shady source that's miss labeling products which can be very dangerous to others health. I hope others do test my product anything I brew or cap is dossed and labled correctly. I'm not going anywhere because I have nothing to hide. If a product of mine is less than desirable I'll correct the problem I won't ignore it and leave good paying customers in the dust.


[QUOTE=flenser;944643]He's a reseller. Spyder posted the manufacturer's site on another thread.

Code: 
http://www.mmcinter.com/index.php

Since you have all the gear, maybe you should pick up a few test kits. I promise you won't be the last one to test your gear.[/QUOTE]
 
The site doesn't offer much of anything. They just say" we mostly sell our products to police and prisons" no research data no studies . Listen I'm not saying they can't work I'm just sayin I wouldn't count on them. I'm going to run them past somone when I have time. But my offer stands to take care of the issue if you so please.

flenser said:
He's a reseller. Spyder posted the manufacturer's site on another thread.

Code: 
http://www.mmcinter.com/index.php

Since you have all the gear, maybe you should pick up a few test kits. I promise you won't be the last one to test your gear.
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I I do want to make a few things clear and then i wll only be focussing the buisness side.

Do any of you think I'd go through all the buying equipment paying for mass spec test and constantly researching and studying to put out a bullshit product? NOT A CHANCE!!! I work to dam hard to ruin my name by putting out a inferior product.

I know there's some who realy don't like me, we know who that is. I will say it's funny I have a someone who wants to see me gone and will go through any length to do so he's proved that!!!! Now a test appears and guess the fuck what?!?!?!? Yup it's Astro Labs!! WHAT A SURPRISE!!!! Not really it's funny though.

I will remailn putting out a good product all my returning customers know this to true. I will remain with the best equipment and and a lot of knowledge in brewing.
 
Astro Labs said:
I'd love for you to test some raws. There are zero additives such as dyes, oils, or whatever.

Cool they make these tests but is there's Zero scientific evidence or proof or anything at all that proves these tests are 100 percent legitimate? I looked at the website and there are 0 credentials there are 0 certificates that proove this guy is even involved in chemistry. there's no mention he's licensed or certified in the field of Chemistry. There is zero mention of staff or detailed info on how these tests were created or how they work, what chemical reaction takes place and or why. Just some guy from china that speaks broken english saying "good vars are hard to find" I wont avoid the issue at hand but I won't acknowledge these tests whether they're in my favor or not. Example If they say all my products are good I still don't care, I need more info on these tests and they lack heavy in that department.
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You know I'm not your biggest fan, but I'm in complete agreement with you here. There are too many factors that complicate these tests to make me think it's accurate. When you use tests like this for drugs, you can get close, but not exact. Opiates read the same, MDMA and MDA read the same. Since all AAS are analogues of testosterone, I'm wondering how accurate this can really be. It also can't distinguish fillers, dyes, oils, solvents... All of which occur in different amounts from different sources. Mass spec is really the only accurate test, and even then you need specific info about carrier oil and solvent % or fillers in tabs so that molecular weight results are accurate. Not to mention since there is no pharma var anymore, how did they develop the test and base it's median reading for that?

In short, I wouldn't put all my eggs in the basket of this test being all that accurate. If I had some Watson cyp, some trusted UGL cyp, and my own mass spec'd raw cyp and had those all read exactly the same, I'd trust just the cyp test, yanno?
 
This thread is very interesting.

What I will say is if Flenser's tabs are dbol, the mistake was surely not intentional.

Astro insisted on making the deal right by offering caps if tabs proven not to be var, and additionally took tabs off market until proven. This, in itself, shows responsibility. IMO, he's taking care of Flenser and addressing the issue without jumping to hasty assumptions.
 
flenser said:
I should have the full test kit before the end of the week. Are you going to accept the results?
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You can't be talking about that labmax bullshit kit, are you? How do you even know that play do shit is legit? Take real tests. What difference does it make if it's dbol or var? They're both toxic, and both will get you sick.
 
I'm sure you do but its not me leaving. And although I didn't make the SX tabs in no way believe they are bunk as karl himself makes the tabs and others come from China from someone he works with out there. The oils yes others do brew so it can be out of his hands but the tabs are different. Yes I do stand behind my product. So if I had to give 100 people replacements I would because that's how I operate. So take care because I handle my buisness like I should whether you believe it or not I could care less.

biggerben69 said:
No worries he stands behind his gear 100%. That's his mantra.
There are rules and codes of conduct for criminals as well. You just do as u please. The end isn't that far away. I just feel something.
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