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I really dont care, about what happened to him or his family, we all have problems, but we all have a choice and he made one, he came here as a business, anything after that, should not concern anyone of us, its a very clear relationship, everyone that dealt with him held up there end, he choose not to, and with what, underdosed gear and gear that he had and whatever else, no clue what was in the vials, and why, the all mighty dollar, he showed his character, he opened up doors he cant shut,his mother should of never came to the table,he should of handle this like a professional and did the right thing, and none of these doors would be open right now, but they are open and he deserves what he gets, i dont know him and never dealt with him and i dont care if he leaves or stays, thats not my problem, but him making things right, big deal, he allowed this, what did he think was gonna happen, his mom is no excuse in my book, and where im from is far from exceptable, without conquences, i think there a lot of red flags here from possibly a character and a legal point of view, years ago me and my guys we sit and talk then make a decision together, and im pretty sure there are two many things that went wrong and werent handle the right way, which would be a big concern and thats where we would agree that its time to step away for safety reasons, i hope the guys that ride with him have lawyer and commissary money put away, prison is like the streets, you can live good but its gonna cost you,
 
Ok I think I have a solution to some of this your mother passed correct? I have not had time to read this long as thread. Sorry to hear that if that is the case. I believe you should email a very trusted member the death certification as this would prove this happened and you were there. You should be listed in the obituary proving you were there. I know this is alot of info to give out but you have our info as well. There are trusted members here that will keep your info safe regardless. This sounds fare to me.
 
iintensity said:
You make claims that he made you good... Have you tested the product? Especially after admitting to selling shit in a vial.How do you know he's not LE? Because you have had the package in your hands for 2 hours?

Stupid comments like yours are gonna get others fucked over. Pull your head out your ass.
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Bro, you sucked all the validity out of what you're trying to accomplish. He's done this board and community dirty, there's no need to get lower than that. Boundaries
 
pumpingiron22 said:
Ok I think I have a solution to some of this your mother passed correct? I have not had time to read this long as thread. Sorry to hear that if that is the case. I believe you should email a very trusted member the death certification as this would prove this happened and you were there. You should be listed in the obituary proving you were there. I know this is alot of info to give out but you have our info as well. There are trusted members here that will keep your info safe regardless. This sounds fare to me.
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This is dumb as hell. Dude is facing years in jail if his identity got out. Not to mention there's nothing stopping a trusted member from leveraging this info against him to extort him for money.

Look either you buy his story or you don't. If you don't or simply want nothing to do with him move along.
 
manic5 said:
This is dumb as hell. Dude is facing years in jail if his identity got out. Not to mention there's nothing stopping a trusted member from leveraging this info against him to extort him for money.

Look either you buy his story or you don't. If you don't or simply want nothing to do with him move along.
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No we don't move on we just sit here and let the new guys come in and get raped by this guy. That is not what is done here.
 
manic5 said:
This is dumb as hell. Dude is facing years in jail if his identity got out. Not to mention there's nothing stopping a trusted member from leveraging this info against him to extort him for money.

Look either you buy his story or you don't. If you don't or simply want nothing to do with him move along.
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Looky here fellas- besides the fact I had to listen to odie bait this fucking asshole for weeks neither one of you has any place suggesting how this should be approached. This is about bunk drugs he sold and money he owes... if someone wants to dance on his mother's grave they should feel free- I personally wouldn't be looking for sympathy from a bunch of people I ripped off because I had personal problems. He is only here for money and because he got banned at reddit- yet here people are sticking up for his invented issues- following the script to a t.
OdieM said:
I totally agree. It maybe a lie and we all know that I'm not defending Astro. I've had more problems with him then anyone. But he sourced here for 2 yrs and never disappeared for as long as he did when he said his mother died. I'm the biggest mommas boy yall will ever meet. That still does not explain why ALL of his gear was SHIT. But it's not cool for a member to say the things he did about his mother. You can say your full of shit and I don't believe your story but let's not bash is mom. Let's just deal with the issues at hand. Damn I guess my sponsor is rubbing off on me. Lol

We all know why Astro isn't giving refunds. It's because if he did he would surely be done. He is trying to pull him self out of the hole he dug. We all seen where he told me that he would prove his brewing skills. Lol
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Voltrader said:
No we don't move on we just sit here and let the new guys come in and get raped by this guy. That is not what is done here.
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There's several pages of discussion about what happened for anyone to make up their mind on Astro. its been made VERY clear what's going on.

If Astro gets busted LE would have all our personal information and that would be bad for everyone.
 
If we all go away the this gets buried and then what. A new guy doesn't take their time to read 750 pages and orders. We made a mistake the first time around with Astro letting him stay .......not again. You can move on..
 
johnnyBALLZ said:
Why'd you quote it? Looks like he edited it out but your post is still there..

This thread is an absolute circus!! Holy shit.. Astro is done but unfortunately I think this thread is going to go on for a bit.. I really can't believe he's saying bioniche being garbage isn't his fault though!! What the fuck is wrong with some drug dealers these days?!
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It's not his email unless he changed it.
 
Im new here, but I have to say this thread is pretty damn good reading. IMHO, if u deal with this cat, u deserve to get ripped off or incarcerated. Just look at his track record. Red flags flying everywhere!!
 
This is a good time and place for us the members of Meso to continue our look at how we deal with sources.

How we interact with them, hold them accountable and what information that we expose about ourselves when we deal with them.

I think couple things to take away from this situation are.
Being a good brewer with decent raws is not enough.
Yes, we all want clean properly dosed gear but what are we willing to do for it?

I am not talking only about personal information but attitudes toward the source and more importantly other members, especially newer guy.

I remember guys getting a hard time for posting "Astro sent you a PM"
I am now convinced that Astro was selectively answering both PM's and emails, and we as Meso members aided him in doing this by shouting down guys telling them to wait 2 weeks before you make a stink.

Communication is the strength that we have as consumers, guys fearing not getting there packs or getting a bad rep if they speak up about delays or missing/substituted products, only aids the source in suppressing their supply issues. The type of issues that lead to labs under dosing, miss labeling, going defunct and bailing.

This leads us to open public sources "going private" to me this is a Major red flag.
Look a Astro now 2 months ago he was going semi private you had to have a ref from a vet.
Now your little sister with 50 bucks can pick up some test and get a $300 credit if she labmax's it.

We need to support each other, and communicate openly when a source is not responding to our communications. I would much rather error on the side of some impatient newb jumping the gun than suppress the truth of piss poor communication by a source.
 
Ccutlet said:
Yea think i am going to take a loss on my bread and not even email the new sketchy email hes got...
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Tough pill to swallow I know but still probably the best decision. Hard to cut losses it goes against our very nature. Funny thing though going against nature is a part of nature to. Now any 80's kids out there tell me where I stole that lyric from.
 
Voltrader said:
Tough pill to swallow I know but still probably the best decision. Hard to cut losses it goes against our very nature. Funny thing though going against nature is a part of nature to. Now any 80's kids out there tell me where I stole that lyric from.
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Hate myself for this

“You cannot go against nature, because when you do/Go against nature, that’s part of nature, too.”Love and Rockets, No New Tale To Tell
 
BIGMESC said:
Hate myself for this

“You cannot go against nature, because when you do/Go against nature, that’s part of nature, too.”Love and Rockets, No New Tale To Tell
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LOl Messy I am going to bust your balls on this one. I use the excuse that all the girls I dated loved Love and Rockets.
 
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