Attempting to discontinue/pct after 20 months on trt

[The Terminator]

Been on trt for 1.667 years, unfortunately when I started I was uneducated and my dr either was as well or didn’t care so I wasn’t tested for LH/fsh prior to trt, just T, free T, shbg and psa. Been considering trying the power pct to see if I can recover satisfactory levels, even tho I was extremely low when I started on trt I was still on high dose meds that suppress T and wasn’t working out etc.

Anyway before undertaking this venture I wanted to see what the best way of testing whether it’s primary or secondary or more likely tertiary hypo without quitting cold turkey for 1-2 years. Would it be better to test with hCG or clomid, and about how long would I need to stop trt before trying? 1 week, 2 weeks? My trt is supposed to be 200mg bi-weekly but I do 100mg weekly, and I did a cycle that ended 2 weeks ago but that was test p and Tren a.

@T-Bagger or @Worf im sure you guys would have some info or know someone who does.

 

[T-Bagger]

Been on trt for 1.667 years, unfortunately when I started I was uneducated and my dr either was as well or didn’t care so I wasn’t tested for LH/fsh prior to trt, just T, free T, shbg and psa. Been considering trying the power pct to see if I can recover satisfactory levels, even tho I was extremely low when I started on trt I was still on high dose meds that suppress T and wasn’t working out etc.

Anyway before undertaking this venture I wanted to see what the best way of testing whether it’s primary or secondary or more likely tertiary hypo without quitting cold turkey for 1-2 years. Would it be better to test with hCG or clomid, and about how long would I need to stop trt before trying? 1 week, 2 weeks? My trt is supposed to be 200mg bi-weekly but I do 100mg weekly, and I did a cycle that ended 2 weeks ago but that was test p and Tren a.

@T-Bagger or @Worf im sure you guys would have some info or know someone who does.

Way more experienced people here than me. I’m hanging on to PCT as long as I can before venturing into TRT.

 

[The Terminator]

Way more experienced people here than me. I’m hanging on to PCT as long as I can before venturing into TRT.

I know, there are just never kept track or remember who at the moment. I know the Tnation YouTube channel said hCG was better to test where the problem lies. I guess if no one has an answer I can wait a week and do a couple high dose hCG shots and test. Today my trt shots due so if I wait a week I’ll have been off for 2 weeks

 

[The Terminator]

Way more experienced people here than me. I’m hanging on to PCT as long as I can before venturing into TRT.

What do you pct with, just hCG or do you take clomid and/or tamoxifen?

 

[The Terminator]

Anyone at least know how long (for them) after their last shot of T that they start feeling like shit or feel a “crash?”

Considering either doing the power pct or switching over to either clomid, hCG or tamoxifen mono-therapy if my balls still work, which I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t, never had an injury and they’re not especially small, they were ~10.3-11ml 6-7 months into trt sans hCG using the L•W•H•0.71 formula which is the best for calculating testicular volume. If I try the mono-therapy I’d likely go with clomid, it’s cheap, closest to being natty and easier to discontinue compared to hCG which comes short in all 3 categories.

 

[Worf]

Probably really start feeling it around day 10. I’d start the hcg now, run that a few weeks then gradually introduce nolva/clomid. Doses vary widely for these restarts. You could also take a few large shots of hcg then tone it down and run hcg mono. Clomid or nolva for trt/cruising is a pretty poor method. I think most guys don’t do too well with it.

 

[The Terminator]

Probably really start feeling it around day 10. I’d start the hcg now, run that a few weeks then gradually introduce nolva/clomid. Doses vary widely for these restarts. You could also take a few large shots of hcg then tone it down and run hcg mono. Clomid or nolva for trt/cruising is a pretty poor method. I think most guys don’t do too well with it.

Ah Worf son of Mogh glad that you posted, thought you might of been in Sto-vo-kor or something. Are the serms bad because of side effects or because of the lack of testicular stimulation? If it’s side effects I haven’t really felt any, maybe acne but that could be from the drop in hormones.

Right now I’m at 9 days since my last 100mg trt shot and I feel ok, but I started taking clomid a week ago for fertility reasons before I decided to discontinue trt, and I did hCG last night but like 350iu, figured I’d do the hCG the first couple weeks. I guess with the serms I was thinking more like an extended pct but lower doses after awhile instead of only 4ish weeks which is the norm, but non of this 150mg shit. Might do hCG tho if I decide on staying on something indefinitely.

Oh I wanted to ask since you were on hCG mono-therapy, did it suppress LH/FSH to undetectable levels?

 

[T-Bagger]

What do you pct with, just hCG or do you take clomid and/or tamoxifen?

Just HCG

 

[T-Bagger]

@The Terminator i want you to inject the HCG intratesticularly

 

[Worf]

Most people feel like shit on clomid monotherapy or nolva mono. I did for sure. I had vision problems with clomid and just felt shitty. It’s supposed to be really good for fertility. I felt pretty good on hcg, I think my LH was 2.0 on hcg mono

 

[The Terminator]

Most people feel like shit on clomid monotherapy or nolva mono. I did for sure. I had vision problems with clomid and just felt shitty. It’s supposed to be really good for fertility. I felt pretty good on hcg, I think my LH was 2.0 on hcg mono

Hmm maybe it’s different when you are on clomid or tamoxifen with no hCG or T, regarding vision I’ve had at least 3 floaters prior to touching a serm so it’d be hard to tell if any I have any new ones.

Ah cool so the hCG didn’t completely suppress you like T would. Like I said I may just do the hCG if I feel like ass or get vision problems on clomid.

Tbh I have surprisingly high libido for 9 days post injection, I’m having sex dreams and shit and getting better morning wood than I did when I did my regular shots lol. I know when I did 200mg every 14 days my levels were at 700 on the dot 6-7 days post injection, so my levels could be ~350 of exo T now that I do 100mg/7days at the same time post injection but the body prob isn’t that perfect. But still I never had libido like this in the past right before my weekly trt shot so I’m guessing the clomid is doing something.

 

[The Terminator]

@The Terminator i want you to inject the HCG intratesticularly

Fuck that I don’t need high ITT levels that badly lol, maybe for some $ I’d do it

 

[T-Bagger]

Fuck that I don’t need high ITT levels that badly lol, maybe for some $ I’d do it

You couldn’t pay me enough to get a needle in my testes!

 

[The Terminator]

You couldn’t pay me enough to get a needle in my testes!

Not even a billion $? I’d prob do it for less, like a 100k lol.

 

[T-Bagger]

Not even a billion $? I’d prob do it for less, like a 100k lol.

Well, $4 mil

 

[The Terminator]

Well, $4 mil

Gotta use an 18g needle, and you have to administer the shot yourself with zero guidance on proper technique..

 

[Worf]

everyone has a price

 

[T-Bagger]

Gotta use an 18g needle, and you have to administer the shot yourself with zero guidance on proper technique..

Hmmmm. $4 mil would make the pain worth it.

 

[The Terminator]

Hmmmm. $4 mil would make the pain worth it.

And if it pops like a ballon you still have the other testicle lol

 

[T-Bagger]

And if it pops like a ballon you still have the other testicle lol

And my third one too, even though it's outside the sack