Attempting to discontinue/pct after 20 months on trt

[The Terminator]

Yes after a year-and-a-half I let everything clear, ran a 30-day PCT, and I'm going to continue or another 60 days with the lower dose of Clomid..... I'll be happy to get back to 400 something

Me too, I think 400’s would be fine for natural levels unassisted with pct meds. Sure I think 600-800 would be ideal but honestly if someone feels good at 350 I don’t think they should be so concerned about the number.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

Me too, I think 400’s would be fine for natural levels unassisted with pct meds. Sure I think 600-800 would be ideal but honestly if someone feels good at 350 I don’t think they should be so concerned about the number.

I concur. Now I've had low t4 and t3 thyroid levels but tsh and uptake were low end normal, but I dont feel a difference...test before my pct was bout 250...last natty was 422 I think and I've been at 3600...no difference other than libido constantly where otherwise it's still libido half the time.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I know that my thread gave you and plenty of others hope.
Read what I said, I did not say you bullied me whatsoever. You all just fucking criticized me, and here you are following my routine.
That fucking idiot tried to jump on the band wagon thinking he could give me shit and I would just forget it. The dumb fuck completely forgot what he said to me. Lmao.
You just followed suit like a lemming because everyone else was acting a cunt with me, pathetic.
I was so glad to have levels which I do cause it was a big fucking finger to you all, and also the biggest relief ever.
I'm done toying with you little cunts anyhow I've thought about staying here to help folk but really, how can I? It's all be said, it's all been done and although you love to be part of the flock of sheep it will always be the case that you followed what I did whether you like it or not.
If I could delete everything I would.
Goodbye faggot Americans with your crappy little levels.

 

[The Terminator]

I know that my thread gave you and plenty of others hope.
Read what I said, I did not say you bullied me whatsoever. You all just fucking criticized me, and here you are following my routine.
That fucking idiot tried to jump on the band wagon thinking he could give me shit and I would just forget it. The dumb fuck completely forgot what he said to me. Lmao.
You just followed suit like a lemming because everyone else was acting a cunt with me, pathetic.
I was so glad to have levels which I do cause it was a big fucking finger to you all, and also the biggest relief ever.
I'm done toying with you little cunts anyhow I've thought about staying here to help folk but really, how can I? It's all be said, it's all been done and although you love to be part of the flock of sheep it will always be the case that you followed what I did whether you like it or not.
If I could delete everything I would.
Goodbye faggot Americans with your crappy little levels.

Please show me where I criticized you like the others. The closest thing to that I did was when you were making fun of people on trt I simply pointed out that taking clomid was also a form of hrt. I wouldn’t give you sole credit for what I’m doing, I was thinking of something similar anyway and your thread was just one among a few across various forums I’ve read. I’d never take more than 50mg of clomid like you did, that’s where side effects come with little to no difference in desired results.

Anyway idk what your problem is, maybe your hormones tanked again, hope that’s not the case, maybe you got some personal issues your dealing, maybe many things I won’t mention cause I don’t like making people feel worse than they already are.

 

[The Terminator]

I concur. Now I've had low t4 and t3 thyroid levels but tsh and uptake were low end normal, but I dont feel a difference...test before my pct was bout 250...last natty was 422 I think and I've been at 3600...no difference other than libido constantly where otherwise it's still libido half the time.

Same here, although I did feel kinda weird when my T dropped super fast right after stopping trt, but other than that I don’t notice a lot of difference between 400-3000 except a shorter fuse the higher it goes, maybe more libido but the libido I get from natty hormones is better quality, oh and I will hold more water. My TSH has been like 1-2 the last couple times, but I wanna have the dr check actual thyroid hormones to make sure they’re normal.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

Every comment aimed at putting me down you were all over it like a crack head on rock. Your a fucking lemming.
I've actually lost about 2kg and gained strength, I feel completely fine.
My problem probably is Americans to be fair, your arrogant jealous little cunts and by the look of things, shite endocrine systems too (in general). No, you started your protocol after reading that it worked for me didnt you? So yeah, it was me that ushered you into the decision you made. You talk about the dosage of clomid like you are infact a fucking doctor. How do you know everything you do? By reading kid, fucking reading. I've actually done it.
Keep thinking you know everything, and when your test comes back below 400 remember, you knew everything.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

Every comment aimed at putting me down you were all over it like a crack head on rock. Your a fucking lemming.
I've actually lost about 2kg and gained strength, I feel completely fine.
My problem probably is Americans to be fair, your arrogant jealous little cunts and by the look of things, shite endocrine systems too (in general). No, you started your protocol after reading that it worked for me didnt you? So yeah, it was me that ushered you into the decision you made. You talk about the dosage of clomid like you are infact a fucking doctor. How do you know everything you do? By reading kid, fucking reading. I've actually done it.
Keep thinking you know everything, and when your test comes back below 400 remember, you knew everything.

Ok thank you both Jay....now calm down. If guys like me are being helped by some of this, does it matter who experienced what first? What's ur thread, I'll check it out...the extended clomid is nothing new, doctors opposed to trt use low dosed clomid for extended periods. I seen his situation was almost identical so I messaged him months ago.

 

[The Terminator]

Every comment aimed at putting me down you were all over it like a crack head on rock. Your a fucking lemming.
I've actually lost about 2kg and gained strength, I feel completely fine.
My problem probably is Americans to be fair, your arrogant jealous little cunts and by the look of things, shite endocrine systems too (in general). No, you started your protocol after reading that it worked for me didnt you? So yeah, it was me that ushered you into the decision you made. You talk about the dosage of clomid like you are infact a fucking doctor. How do you know everything you do? By reading kid, fucking reading. I've actually done it.
Keep thinking you know everything, and when your test comes back below 400 remember, you knew everything.

lol aite then I guess you couldn’t find a specific post where I was putting you down, or criticizing you, or where I was jealous. Yes I already mentioned you were among a dozen or so people I read doing a longer than normal pct I’ve read about, and I gave you credit for the role you played. I mean I would of done it anyway but it’s always nice to read others doing something similar.

Re clomid dosages, a combination of reading that drs who give out 25mg max for both fertility and hrt, as well as personal experience. I’m not saying there’s no value in using clomid at 100mg for short stints, I’m saying for me it was unnecessary. Wtf would I take more than I need lol.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

I did 2wks at 100, 2 at 50, I'm doing 50 another month, then maybe 25 another month....that's just me .

 

[The Terminator]

I did 2wks at 100, 2 at 50, I'm doing 50 another month, then maybe 25 another month....that's just me .

Yeah definitely has value short term for many, but old boy was using 100-150 for months or actually years i think. That was what I was referring to when I said I’d never use clomid like he did.

 

[The Terminator]

Oh btw here is every post I made in @Jay Monks ’s thread, someone please point to me where I criticized, put him down, wished him bad luck or was jealous (lol) of him. Closest thing to that I did was basically saying don’t put people down for being on trt while you’re basically doing the same thing with clomid. In fact I was probably one of the more supportive people in that thread.

 

[kosp]

Take the sun naked, let your balls see the great light, that's all it takes actually.

After pct (13 weeks post last SERM dose) , I did 1080 of total test by a whole summer naked on the sun meditating my divine masculine balls

 

[The Terminator]

Take the sun naked, let your balls see the great light, that's all it takes actually.

After pct (13 weeks post last SERM dose) , I did 1080 of total test by a whole summer naked on the sun meditating my divine masculine balls

Yeah not a lot of sunshine right now, a whole week of rain. And when there is sun it might be too cold at ~50F lol

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Dont long term opioids increase GH, TSH, and prolactin, and decrease LH, testosterone, estradiol, and oxytocin? You ever get any of these others tested?

 

[The Terminator]

Dont long term opioids increase GH, TSH, and prolactin, and decrease LH, testosterone, estradiol, and oxytocin? You ever get any of these others tested?

They do increase prolactin, not crazy high like those with pituitary tumors, and they do decrease LH/FSH, which leads to less T/E, not sure about the rest tho. Only had T and TSH tested while using opioids, TSH was always in range in the 1 or 2’s, only had elevated TSH once, slightly and it returned to normal. Also T was low. The prolactin has to be a big reason you lose libido, cause even if you’re on trt you’ll still have a drop in libido if you take an opioid. It definitely plays a role in the drop of T levels as high prolactin suppresses LH/FSH, pretty sure there’s more to it tho.

 

[Iron Frenchie]

They do increase prolactin, not crazy high like those with pituitary tumors, and they do decrease LH/FSH, which leads to less T/E, not sure about the rest tho. Only had T and TSH tested while using opioids, TSH was always in range in the 1 or 2’s, only had elevated TSH once, slightly and it returned to normal. Also T was low. The prolactin has to be a big reason you lose libido, cause even if you’re on trt you’ll still have a drop in libido if you take an opioid. It definitely plays a role in the drop of T levels as high prolactin suppresses LH/FSH, pretty sure there’s more to it tho.

I wonder what you igf-1 is at?

But I'm in almost the exact same situation as you. So I love following this thread.

 

[The Terminator]

I wonder what you igf-1 is at?

But I'm in almost the exact same situation as you. So I love following this thread.

You’ve also been on opioids and had hormone issues because of it or trying to get off trt or both? Pretty soon I’ll have some more valuable updates.

Anyway i might get it tested to see. I can tell you my prolactin was at 7ng the first and only time I had it tested, which was 3.5 weeks after my last trt shot, TSH was at 1.2.

 

[Iron Frenchie]

You’ve also been on opioids and had hormone issues because of it or trying to get off trt or both? Pretty soon I’ll have some more valuable updates.

Anyway i might get it tested to see. I can tell you my prolactin was at 7ng the first and only time I had it tested, which was 3.5 weeks after my last trt shot, TSH was at 1.2.

I used opiates in my early twenties but luckily I got my test levels checked before opioids and gear and was a 654ng/dl with 15.8ng/dl free T when I was 20. I then used opiates for couple years and got clean. Then did a few cycles with PCT and got tested again.

This time I was a 410ng/dl with 14.7ng/dl free T at age 28. After this I went on for 18 months, cycling mainly low test high primo and now I’m 4 weeks off nolva. So I’m about ready to get some bloods. I thought it would be bad but everything seems fine so far.

 

[The Terminator]

I used opiates in my early twenties but luckily I got my test levels checked before opioids and gear and was a 654ng/dl with 15.8ng/dl free T when I was 20. I then used opiates for couple years and got clean. Then did a few cycles with PCT and got tested again.

This time I was a 410ng/dl with 14.7ng/dl free T at age 28. After this I went on for 18 months, cycling mainly low test high primo and now I’m 4 weeks off nolva. So I’m about ready to get some bloods. I thought it would be bad but everything seems fine so far.

Ah I wish I woulda tested T when I was younger, but I’m sure it was normal. I’ve had libido since I was 5 years old and I’d get boners from girls lol. Never had any issues developing, didn’t have small balls, always had a good amount of muscle so I highly doubt I had low T before opioids.

Well it looks like you did recover after you got off opioids and pct’d from your cycles. 410TT isn’t bad especially with 14.7 free T. I’m sure you’ll recover fine this time too. If you were super foggy, more tired than usual even with plenty of sleep, weak, then I might be concerned that maybe things aren’t going so well.