B@yer Prim0test0n Dep0t

[Opti]

Thought I would share my blood work results with Meso regarding my decision to go the self-TRT route. I believed that 75mg of Testosterone Enanthate e4d was a good starting point for a total of 130mg/week.

I got a full panel/blood work done prior to me beginning this regime but only put up what I consider relevant. I got retested 8 weeks in and will adjust accordingly as my goal is 900-1,000 ng/dl.

• Daily dose of 1.25mg Finasteride for nearly 9 months
• Daily dose of China HGH, 3.5 months in, started at 2iu, currently at 3.33
• Testosterone shots are done SC using a 29g x .5"
• Blood work 8 weeks in were done 36hrs post-injection.

I will definitely have to jump on an aromatase inhibitor.

Any feedback or questions are welcomed.

 

[rpbb]

thanks for posting results. test number look good, but you'll need to get your estro down, did you get your igf tested. who's hgh are you using. most importantly, how do you feel

 

[lundgren]

@opti Thanks a lot to sharing your results ! You use one of the best testosterone on the planet ;-)
You use 520 mg / month ? Why shot 130 mg every week ? This testosterone work well with one shot every 2 weeks.
Do you inject in I.M or S.C ?

 

[Opti]

You're welcome @rpbb! You are definitely correct on the estradiol, I am going to start at a low dose of anastrozole and get further blood work done to get it dialed in.

As far as my IGF, yes, I did get it tested prior to starting the HGH. I decided to run it a few weeks on 1/3 vial prior to getting it re-tested which will be this week. To be honest with you, I believe jumping from 2iu to 3.33iu was a bit drastic. Days later my left wrist and right elbow have been causing me extreme discomfort aside from my arms going numb during my sleep at times. If it doesn't subside by the weekend I'm dropping back down to possibly 2.5iu. The HGH is not from any of the open board vendors, just a source that I have been using for sometime for its raws.

Nothing drastic the first 3 months on 2iu besides deeper sleep a few weeks in. My food intake is boring, I pretty much eat the same thing day in/day out except for the 6-8hrs I allow myself occasionally on the weekend to keep my sanity. Here is what I did notice, on a 2 week vacation I ate anything and everything sometimes to the point that I was miserable and my bf% did not increase. Now I'm not saying it compensates for the lack of a diet/healthy eating but I can see how many could use it for this method.

 

[lundgren]

You're welcome @rpbb! You are definitely correct on the estradiol, I am going to start at a low dose of anastrozole and get further blood work done to get it dialed in.

As far as my IGF, yes, I did get it tested prior to starting the HGH. I decided to run it a few weeks on 1/3 vial prior to getting it re-tested which will be this week. To be honest with you, I believe jumping from 2iu to 3.33iu was a bit drastic. Days later my left wrist and right elbow have been causing me extreme discomfort aside from my arms going numb during my sleep at times. If it doesn't subside by the weekend I'm dropping back down to possibly 2.5iu. The HGH is not from any of the open board vendors, just a source that I have been using for sometime for its raws.

Nothing drastic the first 3 months on 2iu besides deeper sleep a few weeks in. My food intake is boring, I pretty much eat the same thing day in/day out except for the 6-8hrs I allow myself occasionally on the weekend to keep my sanity. Here is what I did notice, on a 2 week vacation I ate anything and everything sometimes to the point that I was miserable and my bf% did not increase. Now I'm not saying it compensates for the lack of a diet/healthy eating but I can see how many could use it for this method.

Good choice, i use arimidex with well pleasure, if you have a genuine stuff start with low dose like 0.25, if it's always high up to 0.5mg ect ..
Personnaly @ 0.25 every 2 days this compound help me a lot, depend what cycle i use i up to 0.5mg.

About the numb, generally the effect left after 1 to 2 weeks, shut down your dose lie 2 ui's and up if you need after this time to 3.33 ui's, try to use a small dose of salt during this period, that help a lot.

Good luck

 

[Opti]

@opti Thanks a lot to sharing your results ! You use one of the best testosterone on the planet ;-)
You use 520 mg / month ? Why shot 130 mg every week ? This testosterone work well with one shot every 2 weeks.
Do you inject in I.M or S.C ?

You're welcome @lundgren!

I agree with you, definitely a very good testosterone. Have to put it up there with the 0rgan0n P0lyster0n and Re-d1jects, nowadays I'm more into the single ester testosterone.

I did use 130mg/weekly which is a total of 520mg/monthly as you stated. Why you ask? Reason is that I want to get my TRT dose dialed in as I believe a total 380 ng/dl is inadequate and want the benefits of this lifestyle(sleep, training, diet, etc..) maximized by my testosterone peak levels. As far as an every 2 week injection, I know that I could go that route but the fluctuation of blood levels causing side effects is something I am trying to avoid.

I have a close acquaintance that started TRT legally over a yr ago. He went to a mediocre Dr who started him at a healthy TRT dose every 2 weeks, after several months of getting back his blood work and his results being everywhere he switched Dr's. BTW he still felt like crap throughout this entire ordeal. His new Dr cut his dose in half and went with every week shots SC, bloods got better but the Dr was not content. The last change was his weekly dose in 1/2, taken 2x week SC along with .5mg anastrozol . He has been on this regime for 4 months and never felt better. Probably TMI, but though I would share

 

[Opti]

Good choice, i use arimidex with well pleasure, if you have a genuine stuff start with low dose like 0.25, if it's always high up to 0.5mg ect ..
Personnaly @ 0.25 every 2 days this compound help me a lot, depend what cycle i use i up to 0.5mg.

About the numb, generally the effect left after 1 to 2 weeks, shut down your dose lie 2 ui's and up if you need after this time to 3.33 ui's, try to use a small dose of salt during this period, that help a lot.

Good luck

I am definitely going to start off at .25mg eod or e3d and get more blood work done to get this dialed in. I appreciate your input, will have to make a decision in the next few days whether I can continue this dose or just drop it a bit. Not a heartbreaking decision as I will still be on it.

 

[rpbb]

I am definitely going to start off at .25mg eod or e3d and get more blood work done to get this dialed in. I appreciate your input, will have to make a decision in the next few days whether I can continue this dose or just drop it a bit. Not a heartbreaking decision as I will still be on it.

that's a good dose to start with, and you'll know if it's too much pretty quick (estrogen too low is very uncomfortable). it kicks in pretty fast, so you'll be able to get bloodwork in a couple of weeks to see how it's working

 

[penche]

@opti thanks for sharing your results and photos amigo, hope all is well bud. My trt doc has me and a bunch of friends at work on 200mg a week test cyp and 2mg adex per week.

I pin once every 7 days 200mg cyp and after several blood tests that I did on my own. I'm good with 1mg of adex split into 4 mini doses throughout the week to keep the estro around 20. The first panel is 4 days after pin and 2 mini doses of adex(.5mg split) estro still in 20's


This next panel is 7days after pin and 1mg of adex split into 4 mini doses throughout said 7 days. I pulled blood in the morning right before my next pin to see how far my levels were down. I feel great on this schedule. Estro still hovering around 20ish


I think you should be good with .5mg split in 2 doses for your protocol.

However at the time rt now I'm gettin retarded again and I'm almost at 1gram of test with 5~6mg adex a week. I'll share those labs in 30~45days. Hopefully they will be good lol!

 

[Opti]

@penche, you are welcome buddy! I really appreciate your input as it looks like you have this AI down. I am getting my AI this week and will get on it asap. Have you ever ventured off with e3d dosing? Also, do you believe that getting blood work done around the 36hr post injection is okay? Reason I ask is that you did your blood work 4 & 7 days post injection.

Thank you once again for chiming in and sharing your results. LOL @ your retarded comment, damn dude, nearly 1,000mg/week of Test?!

 

[penche]

@penche, you are welcome buddy! I really appreciate your input as it looks like you have this AI down. I am getting my AI this week and will get on it asap. Have you ever ventured off with e3d dosing? Also, do you believe that getting blood work done around the 36hr post injection is okay? Reason I ask is that you did your blood work 4 & 7 days post injection.

Thank you once again for chiming in and sharing your results. LOL @ your retarded comment, damn dude, nearly 1,000mg/week of Test?!

On the trt protocol I've never ventured the 3rd day injection but whenever I blast I do. When I blast I do a mon/thurs pin or something like a fri/mon pin. Maybe I get lazy on trt lol.

On the 36hr post injection question, yes I do believe in that to see how potent the testosterone is. I pulled these panels only to dial in the estrodial around different time frames. Further, for another $20 through privatelabsmd you get the metabolic panel, blood count, etc vs paying $40 just for estro test. So these panels were like $60 bones each not too bad. Uncapped test is more money.

Another story, my friend who goes to same trt doc, I was discussing with him I had just come off a blast. I told my friend I didn't wanna go in the office with crazy high blasting test numbers. My friend told me the doc was very lenient and flexible which led to this next important point. My buddy told me he injected 200mg test cyp 30hr prior to gettin blood drawn at the trt doc cuZ he also needed a refill.

I asked my friend what was the total test number. He said 1800, that's almost the 10x rule that everyone hates to hear lol. 200x10= 2000. So then I predicted on myself using my edumacated math skills. I'd be hovering around 800~900 on the 7th day because test cyp has a half life of 7~8 days. My prediction was correct I was around 950ish.

 

[Opti]

On the trt protocol I've never ventured the 3rd day injection but whenever I blast I do. When I blast I do a mon/thurs pin or something like a fri/mon pin. Maybe I get lazy on trt lol.

On the 36hr post injection question, yes I do believe in that to see how potent the testosterone is. I pulled these panels only to dial in the estrodial around different time frames. Further, for another $20 through privatelabsmd you get the metabolic panel, blood count, etc vs paying $40 just for estro test. So these panels were like $60 bones each not too bad. Uncapped test is more money.

Another story, my friend who goes to same trt doc, I was discussing with him I had just come off a blast. I told my friend I didn't wanna go in the office with crazy high blasting test numbers. My friend told me the doc was very lenient and flexible which led to this next important point. My buddy told me he injected 200mg test cyp 30hr prior to gettin blood drawn at the trt doc cuZ he also needed a refill.

I asked my friend what was the total test number. He said 1800, that's almost the 10x rule that everyone hates to hear lol. 200x10= 2000. So then I predicted on myself using my edumacated math skills. I'd be hovering around 800~900 on the 7th day because test cyp has a half life of 7~8 days. My prediction was correct I was around 950ish.

I see your edumacated math skills are improving a bit. LOL! I agree regarding the 10x rule, I was definitely impressed by my blood work results, might have to increase my e4d injection by 15-20% to get me in the 900 ng/dl range. Just have to make sure I get my estradiol dialed in. Thanks for sharing your boys results as well as yours.