Banning immigrants from "certain" countries

Why do you think the left is so pro immigration? Is it compassion,caring, or better moral character or is it simply the fact that immigrants after becoming citizens predominantly vote democrat? I say this knowing full well that Republicans like limiting immigration because of this fact. So to answer your question no this administration would not welcome proclaimed liberals,progressives and socialists in mass because most arriving already will identify that way. It would be political suicide for republicans to do this where if the situation was reversed the democrats would not suffer since most immigrants identify as democrats.

Especially since these days we've adopted a brain-dead approach to immigration where we don't make our decision based on who are the best, the brightest, and the ones with the right attitude toward the USA - for unknown reasons (other than perhaps to liberals) we now give preference to those who have managed to get in here illegally, overstayed their visas, got baby-anchored here, or (worst scenario) originate from some culturally incompatible location, because bringing them in makes us so diverse.... The last point in particular is disastrous.

We need to start to be far more selfish when it comes to deciding who to let in, and I sure hope Trump changes that.
 
That's all well and good but I'm not interested in what the current administration may or may not do. I want to know what YOU and other members would do. Would you welcome persecuted Nazis? Yes or no?

Of course, that would be so diverse of us.

Actually, the real reason Democrats would let in a million persecuted Nazis is that they hate Jews - and we all know that Dems loathe Israel - so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" principle kicks in, right? The same reason they like Muslims.
 
Especially since these days we've adopted a brain-dead approach to immigration where we don't make our decision based on who are the best, the brightest, and the ones with the right attitude toward the USA - for unknown reasons (other than perhaps to liberals) we now give preference to those who have managed to get in here illegally, overstayed their visas, got baby-anchored here, or (worst scenario) originate from some culturally incompatible location, because bringing them in makes us so diverse.... The last point in particular is disastrous.

We need to start to be far more selfish when it comes to deciding who to let in, and I sure hope Trump changes that.
I agree that we should be able to pick and choose who we want here. I'm not a no immigrant or zero refugee guy but I do believe we have the right to select who can come and who should not.
 
It's funny how many people can start cursing, calling trump names when they have no idea what they speak of. These liberals have no argument but calling trump a racist. Stop overlooking the facts. Those countries were banned from travel because our government doesn't feel they have adequate security to tell who is actually traveling. It's not against muslims. If you're a Christian, jew, Buddhist, black, brown, white yellow or whatever it doesn't matter. So please can anyone explain how this is racism??
Its actually just national security. Finally we have someone who isn't afraid to hurt people's feelings and make some tough choices. Good for trump so far he's held his word.
 
That's all well and good but I'm not interested in what the current administration may or may not do. I want to know what YOU and other members would do. Would you welcome persecuted Nazis? Yes or no?
As you know, I'm a big proponent of the First Amendment. And this is an important free speech question. Should the government give American-born citizens the constitutional protections of free speech while discriminating/denying same type of free speech for potential immigrants/refugees?

I think we need to be cautious but I do support some ideological restrictions on immigration e.g. individuals whose subscription to such an ideology that involves sabotage or violent overthrow of the government.

Some people may argue that Nazism is compatible with the democratic principles of the U.S. I don't.

I don't buy your argument that Islam is necessarily a political ideology. I think the comparison of Nazism and Islam is a false equivalent.

I won't defend Islam or any other religion as anything more than a form of free speech. And I firmly reject any move towards a theocracy and any religion or political ideology that seeks to replace our government with a theocracy.
 
@ranger.danger
1) Steve Bannon a known white supremacists in the most powerful position in defense meetings
2) he hasn't denounced the killing of the muslims in Ontario nor the burning of the mosque!! In Texas
3) Didn't mention the Jews in his holocaust speech
4) he requested the the "Muslim ban", that's what he called it until yesterday, from one of his top advisers Rudy Giuliani. His words also
5) He is calling to repeal Jhonson amendment which opens the way for the churches to have a political influence. It goes against everything this country was built on "separation of church and state"
6) Read around and see the sentiment what's it favoring when there is no one to hold you accountable for hate speech like our friend @Jhonson10000 ......
7) if you don't think we are fundamentally changing our country you are blind. If you think more than half
of the population will go along quietly? You are mistaken.
 
And this mother fucker is a true racist. Fortunately his mind wanders and he disappears for stretches of time. KKK
Your mind wanders to assumptions based on things you don't know. I'm stating facts here. Riots are the act of mostly liberal idiots with no fear of jail or losing jobs, because they have nothing to lose. Threaten their free handouts or ease of infiltration to the country and they act out like animals. Our president has done more in 2 wks than Barack did in two terms. Are you cool with transgender bathrooms for children? How about the boy scouts having to accept transgender girls?? That's what liberal bullshit gets you now, if you're OK with these things then turn your man card in please because you already snipped ur nuts off a long time ago. Full term abortion? How about that one, you're OK with that huh??
 
As you know, I'm a big proponent of the First Amendment. And this is an important free speech question. Should the government give American-born citizens the constitutional protections of free speech while discriminating/denying same type of free speech for potential immigrants/refugees?

I think we need to be cautious but I do support some ideological restrictions on immigration e.g. individuals whose subscription to such an ideology that involves sabotage or violent overthrow of the government.

Some people may argue that Nazism is compatible with the democratic principles of the U.S. I don't.

I don't buy your argument that Islam is necessarily a political ideology. I think the comparison of Nazism and Islam is a false equivalent.

I won't defend Islam or any other religion as anything more than a form of free speech. And I firmly reject any move towards a theocracy and any religion or political ideology that seeks to replace our government with a theocracy.

This is your blind spot, your refusal to recognize or accept that Islam is the total package. It's theology, it is law, it is political structure - a self-contained end-to-end set of dogma that governs all aspects of life. And one which refuses to take 2nd place to nothing, and insists on adherents pushing it to primacy.

The West has, over centuries, separated (to some degree, it can never be fully removed) its theological, juridical, civic and political bodies - although they are still intertwined. You can never fully disconnect law, morals, ethics, and religion. But at least in the west we have tried, and we've established law as the primary. Islam has not, and doesn't seem likely to accomplish this.
 
I think we need to be cautious but I do support some ideological restrictions on immigration e.g. individuals whose subscription to such an ideology that involves sabotage or violent overthrow of the government.

Some people may argue that Nazism is compatible with the democratic principles of the U.S. I don't.

An honest answer. Thank you. It's interesting that none of the others had the balls to answer, but not surprising. It's easier to throw out the bigot or racist label and silence all discussion.

I don't buy your argument that Islam is necessarily a political ideology. I think the comparison of Nazism and Islam is a false equivalent.

It's only a false equivalent if you refuse to accept that Islam is a political ideology. All religions are political. And religious beliefs strongly influence political beliefs, but that's a philosophical argument and getting off topic.

Regardless, my position is a "religion" that not only permits but mandates the subjugation of women and children, beating "disobedient" wives, female genital mutilation, executes apostates, the supremacy of Islamic sharia over the constitution, and the subjugation of nonbelievers, is not a free speech issue. It's barbarism that is incompatible with the values of the West. Mass Muslim immigration to the West is a grave mistake that will ultimately lead to the destruction of our way of life.


 
For the record. I am an immigrant who came over in the early 80's during Ronald R. Administration. My family came to the USA for the American dream and religious freedom. We were political refugees. We didn't come here to incite violence and try to blow the place up.
 
@ranger.danger
1) Steve Bannon a known white supremacists in the most powerful position in defense meetings
2) he hasn't denounced the killing of the muslims in Ontario nor the burning of the mosque!! In Texas
3) Didn't mention the Jews in his holocaust speech
4) he requested the the "Muslim ban", that's what he called it until yesterday, from one of his top advisers Rudy Giuliani. His words also
5) He is calling to repeal Jhonson amendment which opens the way for the churches to have a political influence. It goes against everything this country was built on "separation of church and state"
6) Read around and see the sentiment what's it favoring when there is no one to hold you accountable for hate speech like our friend @Jhonson10000 ......
7) if you don't think we are fundamentally changing our country you are blind. If you think more than half
of the population will go along quietly? You are mistaken.

There were many people that Obama surrounded himself with marxist and communist. Although i feel obama pushed the envelope that didn't make him a communist
 
@MassTurk i know the country is divided, as it has been. Conservatives just didn't go to these same extremes during the last presidency. It seems as if this country is becoming even more divided.
I think a total fundamental change is necessary. Things aren't working out so well
 
We've had an ugly past in regards to this issue. I will refrain from doing that again and will respectfully engage you on a couple things:

Regardless, my position is a "religion" that not only permits but mandates the subjugation of women and children, beating "disobedient" wives,

I agree with you that no woman or hold should be beaten or subjugated no matter the religion. I also agree it does happen in the Muslim religion. There's no excuse for it. For example, Pakistan, at the behest of their Islamic Council, passed a law to my knowledge that allows men to "lightly" beat their wives. Yes it says lightly. There's no excuse for these kinds of laws and it is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

Having said all that, I would like your thoughts on some other women's rights issues around the globe that are not just Muslim issues:

1) what do you think about the Indian Penal Code 375 which states "sexual intercourse between a man and his wife cannot be rape provided the wife is over 15yo"? Or in the Bahamas a man can sexually assault his wife if she is over 14yo? In Singapore, a man can sexually assault his wife provided she is over just 13 years of age?

2) you know I'm Lebanese, and it's roughly half and half Christian and Muslim, so I'll use them as an example too. In Lebanon a man cannot be charged for kidnapping, rape, or statutory rape if he plans on marrying the victim after. In Malta, a man can get a reduced sentence for kidnapping a woman if he plans on marrying her and the charges will be dropped completely if he in fact does marry her.

3) in Nigeria, a man can legally beat his wife and cannot be charged unless there is a "grievous" injury.

4) not as bad as other countries obviously but in Israel a man has the final word on divorce. A husband and wife in a Jewish marriage must both give consent to get the divorce and either can start the proceedings but if a woman doesn't grant the husband the divorce it can still be passed if the husband gets 100 rabbis to say ok. A wife meanwhile is stuck until the husband gives his ok. There is no law that can make the man give his consent. The husband can blackmail the wife for giving his consent. For example, the husband can give his consent if the woman agrees to forfeit child support payments, or forfeit the house, etc. And if a married woman, married bc the husband refuses to consent to the divorce at all costs, has children with another man, those children are deemed bastards and unable to marry in Israel forever. Obviously this law is not as bad as beating your wife or being allowed to rape her but just an example to show that even modernized countries can subjugate women and children.

female genital mutilation

The following graphic will show that this does indeed happen in certain predominantly Muslim countries, it is not solely a Muslim issue

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executes apostates

While arguably not as bad as killin people over religious beliefs, look at what Duterte is doing in the Phillipines. Executing drug addicts and dealers without any sort of due process, police planting evidence, murdering people who surrender, etc. Duterte even claimed something along the lines of wanting to kill drugs criminals like Hitler killed Jewish people. He's admitted to murdering people in cold blood among many other vicious acts.
 
Ok I realize this is kind contridicting the points I was making in the first few pages of this thread but I thought I'd still share it.
Here's a REALLY good video on US and immigration. Worth the 6 minutes trust me.
 
Ok I realize this is kind contridicting the points I was making in the first few pages of this thread but I thought I'd still share it.
Here's a REALLY good video on US and immigration. Worth the 6 minutes trust me.

I just saw this today. Most people need to see this to understand the actual reality of how many people need help...
 
I called all servicemen heros not my buddies. You on the other hand can't even answer a simple question
You are a disgrace pretending to be a honorable soldier. You are fake and you know it. It doesn't matter what you call me. You are a disgrace to the families of the fallen for this cause. Piece of work you are!!! Where is the evidence? Where is the compassion for the guys who do this job day in and day out. From your statement it's pretty obvious you have no understanding of the military or the hierarchy. That is why you rather deflect the question then get caught lying. There is a reason why I'm keep pushing you. Because I know you're a big fat fucking liar
Ok douchebag, I will tell you how ignorant you and your buddies are, You asked a question, I gave you 2 conflict related deployments I have had orders cut for in my 25 year military carrer, one being Afghanistan post 9/11. You say it dosent "jive". You must know more than I do about me. If any of you PUNKS had any intelligence, you would realize that RANK, SERVICE RECORD, MOS, PREVIOUS DEPLOYMENTS, PREVIOUS TDY's and PCS's, CO or NCO status, ALL play into where you go and what you do as a GI. How fuckin old are you BOY ? 23,25, I am probably more than twice your age PUNK, so you and you so called heroes can all go fuck yourselves. I don't care if you think I'm lying, you mean SHIT to me , but you make yourself look like a real IDIOT when you make these ignorant accusations. And IF you really do have all these "HERO" friends, and have spent any decent amount of time with them, you would know that very few of these guys like to talk about THEIRSELVES. I will not be commenting any further unless its just to be an asshole, so have a nice day and go fuck yourself!
 
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