BB causes PIP rumor.

[Spaceman Spiff]

So many of us are starting to discuss that BB does not cause PIP, but truly the overall concentration of drug.

This thread is for more focused discussion with the things people say of 25%+ BB causes PIP. Reactions, etc


People have used Rimos, Nebido, Testoviron which have BB content of 35-50%. I also want people to remember... BB wasn't used to dissolve the drug for some of these.. it was a thinning agent, especially with Castor.

People would slam in 3+ amps of Rimobolan a week. These were competition users, who still looked phenomenal on stage. Somehow 30% BB of homebrewed gear would cause PIP/problems? Give me a break.

Yes, there is a hypersensitivity case report of BB but that doesn't hold much value if its 1 person.

I have made products with 20%-55% BB.

I do about 30-35% for GSO alone to act as a thinning agent. I haven't seen any issues from these high of "Toxic levels"


Side Gripe: The BS of something melting plastic away = bad. That means you shouldnt be using MCT. Shit eats at condoms and syringes more than BB does.

so lets do this.


/discuss

 

[sushak]

Here's a stupid question, but since it's such a good solvent and it's well tolerated, why is it not used as the sole carrier for some compounds where a slow release from the bolus is not essential?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Here's a stupid question, but since it's such a good solvent and it's well tolerated, why is it not used as the sole carrier for some compounds where a slow release from the bolus is not essential?

because BB is not a carrier oil?

you could always put it in 100% BB and let me know how it turns out lol. I would assume that after the BB is quickly absorbed, you would have some issues from the substance that is leftover.


We know that it can be delivered still without oil (injectable orals in water, Test Base, Tren Base)

 

[narta]

Here's a stupid question, but since it's such a good solvent and it's well tolerated, why is it not used as the sole carrier for some compounds where a slow release from the bolus is not essential?

Because BB is metabolized and excreted rapidly form the body and it will have the same effect as a suspension rather than a solution. Carrier oil functions like a carrier. It keeps the API in solution to be slowly absorbed, pending individual lipase and esterase enzyme levels, to the blood stream.

 

[Joker21]

So many of us are starting to discuss that BB does not cause PIP, but truly the overall concentration of drug.

This thread is for more focused discussion with the things people say of 25%+ BB causes PIP. Reactions, etc


People have used Rimos, Nebido, Testoviron which have BB content of 35-50%. I also want people to remember... BB wasn't used to dissolve the drug for some of these.. it was a thinning agent, especially with Castor.

People would slam in 3+ amps of Rimobolan a week. These were competition users, who still looked phenomenal on stage. Somehow 30% BB of homebrewed gear would cause PIP/problems? Give me a break.

Yes, there is a hypersensitivity case report of BB but that doesn't hold much value if its 1 person.

I have made products with 20%-55% BB.

I do about 30-35% for GSO alone to act as a thinning agent. I haven't seen any issues from these high of "Toxic levels"


Side Gripe: The BS of something melting plastic away = bad. That means you shouldnt be using MCT. Shit eats at condoms and syringes more than BB does.

so lets do this.


/discuss

I also did experiments with different compounds and used 45-50% BB. I did not have any PIP.

 

[primojuju]

I love test base, its my favorite pre match/workout/anything. Ive tried higher concentrations of it with super solvents and test suspension in water. I go back to a higher bb ratio test base everytime, even if i have to pin more volume for the dose I want. For this perticular oil higher bb is probably the only way i will use it, and i have no issues with it.

 

[DugPrime]

I also did experiments with different compounds and used 45-50% BB. I did not have any PIP.

First time of my life that I inject 0.5ml of oil with 20% of BB (2% of BA, 78% of MGL 840), I've been suffering since 6 days now, and been on ibuprofen everyday.

How the fuck do you handle that much?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

First time of my life that I inject 0.5ml of oil with 20% of BB (2% of BA, 78% of MGL 840), and I've been suffering since 6 days now, and been ibuprofen everyday.

How the fuck do you handle that much?

What drug was it?

 

[DugPrime]

What drug was it?

Only test enanthate at 250/ml

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Only test enanthate at 250/ml

Maybe it's test e itself. It doesn't even need BB.

Try test c.

250mg/ml.

25-30% BB
1.5% BA

 

[bigMoJo]

Maybe it's test e itself. It doesn't even need BB.

Try test c.

250mg/ml.

25-30% BB
1.5% BA

Spaceman,
I'm assuming most all test e raws from the past few years are from the same place, and frequently reported to give PIP. Is that a raw that's salvageable or basically a last resort?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Spaceman,
I'm assuming most all test e raws from the past few years are from the same place, and frequently reported to give PIP. Is that a raw that's salvageable or basically a last resort?

There are reports from atleast 10 years from what I have seen

To be frank. There is 0 reason to use test e over c imo.

I am not sure of any way to improve it. It's been by Chinese sources in general. No specific source.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Fuck bb. Been experiencing with trans kids tears in my latest batches and it’s pure gold. That shit is so weak it couldn’t hurt a fly.

 

[bigMoJo]

There are reports from atleast 10 years from what I have seen

To be frank. There is 0 reason to use test e over c imo.

I am not sure of any way to improve it. It's been by Chinese sources in general. No specific source.

I picked up various "doomsday" raws many months ago... E being one. That was before I knew about it's tendency for pip. Luckily, I do have plenty of C oils & raws, as that's what I always use. I was curious if there would be some sort of brewing solution for test e pip, but I guess there's no way around it. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I picked up various "doomsday" raws many months ago... E being one. That was before I knew about it's tendency for pip. Luckily, I do have plenty of C oils & raws, as that's what I always use. I was curious if there would be some sort of brewing solution for test e pip, but I guess there's no way around it. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it.

The only person that may know is stanford. Accidentally ordered test e(my fault).

It didn't cause Pip. I never asked him but I should

 

[DugPrime]

There are reports from atleast 10 years from what I have seen

To be frank. There is 0 reason to use test e over c imo.

I am not sure of any way to improve it. It's been by Chinese sources in general. No specific source.

That sucks because I received a batch of 200g (Test E) about two weeks ago from QSC.

I ran Test E many years ago from DeusChem at 250mg/ml without any issues at all. Since they claim it's pure MCT, I really suspect the BB might be what caused the problem.

 

[bigMoJo]

That sucks because I received a batch of 200g (Test E) about two weeks ago from QSC.

I ran Test E many years ago from DeusChem at 250mg/ml without any issues at all. Since they claim it's pure MCT, I really suspect the BB might be what caused the problem.

Doug,
You have plenty to experiment for a winning recipe. Hopefully there's a solution. As Spaceman post eluded, test e doesn't need bb.

 

[Joker21]

First time of my life that I inject 0.5ml of oil with 20% of BB (2% of BA, 78% of MGL 840), I've been suffering since 6 days now, and been on ibuprofen everyday.

How the fuck do you handle that much?

As others have already written. The problem in your case is Test E. I do some things that have a high amount of BB such as: DHB, Test B, DBOL and Oxymetholone. Only with Oxymetholone does it feel a slight sting for about 2h, but that's specific of the drug.

 

[narta]

It's strictly individual response. I have zero problems with high BB. Others have. Most don't though.

 

[DugPrime]

Doug,
You have plenty to experiment for a winning recipe. Hopefully there's a solution. As Spaceman post eluded, test e doesn't need bb.

It wasn't BB finally, after diluting it (from 20% to 6%) that shit still gives me tremendous pip, I can barely walk.

Also, my CRP is really high and white blood cells too, my doc puts me on antibiotics but I suspect that it's due to the injections. It's definitely the mygliol 840 IMO but that's weird because I've been running MCT without any issue, and it's similar.