Benzyl benzoate vs ethyl oleate on inflammation markers in the blood

[bighunanballs]

Thought it was interesting what the ol chatgpt had to say. I've never personally had an issue with EO brews but due to the mass hysteria nature online surrounding it I shy away from its use.






Between [B]benzyl benzoate (BB)[/B] and [B]ethyl oleate (EO)[/B], [B]benzyl benzoate[/B] is generally considered [B]more irritating[/B] and potentially worse for [B]inflammation-related blood markers[/B] when injected intramuscularly.

Quick comparison:​

Bottom line:​

• [B]BB[/B] is more likely to irritate tissue and cause systemic inflammation.
• [B]EO[/B] is usually better tolerated, but some people still report allergic reactions or delayed soreness.
• If inflammation blood markers like [B]CRP[/B] or [B]ESR[/B] are a concern, [B]EO is likely the better choice[/B], though ideally, minimizing use of any solvents is preferred.

 

[Photon]

EO has a much higher LD50 value, which in theory should also mean less risk..

 

[bighunanballs]

EO has a much higher LD50 value, which in theory should also mean less risk..

Substantially higher wow

 

[TyLu17]

very interesting

 

[Sampei]

Thought it was interesting what the ol chatgpt had to say. I've never personally had an issue with EO brews but due to the mass hysteria nature online surrounding it I shy away from its use.

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Between [B]benzyl benzoate (BB)[/B] and [B]ethyl oleate (EO)[/B], [B]benzyl benzoate[/B] is generally considered [B]more irritating[/B] and potentially worse for [B]inflammation-related blood markers[/B] when injected intramuscularly.

Quick comparison:​

Bottom line:​

• [B]BB[/B] is more likely to irritate tissue and cause systemic inflammation.
• [B]EO[/B] is usually better tolerated, but some people still report allergic reactions or delayed soreness.
• If inflammation blood markers like [B]CRP[/B] or [B]ESR[/B] are a concern, [B]EO is likely the better choice[/B], though ideally, minimizing use of any solvents is preferred.

But EO doesn't work as a solvent as good as BB. 20% BB it's not equal to 20% EO

So there is that, you can't substituted one to the other.

One more thing, AI confuse BB and BA many times.

 

[bananafeet]

According to Wikipedia: Ethyl oleate is produced by the body during ethanol intoxication..

I've been using a vendors product from here that contains "a small amount of EO". Feels incredible smooth with no site reactions. I had more troubles with Primoteston Depot (test E 250mg/ml in castor oil) - which apparently has very high BB.

I'm still going to check my CRP periodically to make sure I can tolerate it.

I'm new to all this so I'm interested in more experienced opinions on the matter.

 

[pipo]

But EO doesn't work as a solvent as good as BB. 20% BB it's not equal to 20% EO

So there is that, you can't substituted one to the other.

One more thing, AI confuse BB and BA many times.

Of course it doesn't work as solvent as bb because eo isn't a solvent in the first place. It's a carrier oil with some solvent properties but isn't a solvent.
It's 2 different things used for different purposes

 

[Sampei]

Of course it doesn't work as solvent as bb because eo isn't a solvent in the first place. It's a carrier oil with some solvent properties but isn't a solvent.
It's 2 different things used for different purposes

I very well know it lol that was my point entirely

 

[Duke309]

EO will eat up syringes much quicker than BB will. I like to preload sometimes and that is enough to make me not use it.

 

[The-Squat]

EO will eat up syringes much quicker than BB will. I like to preload sometimes and that is enough to make me not use it.

Not if correctly used, but sure will if it's a very high %

Nothing wrong with EO when used moderately.

Problem with old school use is it was used as high as 100%, TNE is an example.

EO and guaiacol became abused to hold very high concentrations back in the day.

I can make a product with EO and you couldn't tell it was in there, people that react bad to it don't, people preload a weeks worth of syringes and have no rubber issues. Rubber stopper will also not be affected.

You can adjust the BB and Oil to control lower solvents used. This is another subject as you can't mess with the BB too much.

 

[Sampei]

Not if correctly used, but sure will if it's a very high %

Nothing wrong with EO when used moderately.

Problem with old school use is it was used as high as 100%, TNE is an example.

EO and guaiacol became abused to hold very high concentrations back in the day.

I can make a product with EO and you couldn't tell it was in there, people that react bad to it don't, people preload a weeks worth of syringes and have no rubber issues. Rubber stopper will also not be affected.

You can adjust the BB and Oil to control lower solvents used. This is another subject as you can't mess with the BB too much.

What's the point of 5/10% EO
I don't see any reason for it.

The big difference is seen when you go 50+ % of EO then it's very thin etc.

But at low % doesn't change much at all..

BB it's a lot easier and can be used up to high concentration without much issue at all

 

[The-Squat]

What's the point of 5/10% EO
I don't see any reason for it.

The big difference is seen when you go 50+ % of EO then it's very thin etc.

But at low % doesn't change much at all..

BB it's a lot easier and can be used up to high concentration without much issue at all

You'll be surprised what 15% to 25% can do for some compounds. Some just can't tolerate MCT or Mig.

It's all trail and error over the years.

You can keep BB up and use EO, but I wouldn't push past 20% BB if EO is used.

There's no one shoe fits all and many do not want high BB, so EO can come into play. There are many out there that want little to no BB, I laugh them off!

Do what works for you and stick to it. I'm not doing this for just myself so there is consideration for others I cater too.

Keep in mind I'm 56 years old, I deal with an older crowd, stubborn older crowd. As long as I keep them safe I'm doing my job.

 

[Sampei]

You'll be surprised what 15% to 25% can do for some compounds. Some just can't tolerate MCT or Mig.

It's all trail and error over the years.

You can keep BB up and use EO, but I wouldn't push past 20% BB if EO is used.

There's no one shoe fits all and many do not want high BB, so EO can come into play. There are many out there that want little to no BB, I laugh them off!

Do what works for you and stick to it. I'm not doing this for just myself so there is consideration for others I cater too.

Keep in mind I'm 56 years old, I deal with an older crowd, stubborn older crowd. As long as I keep them safe I'm doing my job.

The thing is, you don't need to tell them you are using high BB they will not notice, I never see anyone complaining of high BB (not that you need that high of BB) for normal concentration 15/20% is enough for high concentration 25/26% is needed sometime.

I have seen more complaints about EO instead in comparisons.

But anyway sources all brew normal concentration on average, so the standard recipe 20% BB 1/2BA works wonder. Don't see the need of EO on any of those normal recipes.

On oral and pre workout injectable yeah EO has its use

 

[The-Squat]

The thing is, you don't need to tell them you are using high BB they will not notice, I never see anyone complaining of high BB (not that you need that high of BB) for normal concentration 15/20% is enough for high concentration 25/26% is needed sometime.

I have seen more complaints about EO instead in comparisons.

But anyway sources all brew normal concentration on average, so the standard recipe 20% BB 1/2BA works wonder. Don't see the need of EO on any of those normal recipes.

On oral and pre workout injectable yeah EO has its use

I haven't had 1 complaint on how I use EO in 15 years, even from those that hate it because of pip.

I just found a fine line to use it at times when needed. Basically don't use much at all or often.

 

[Duke309]

I haven't had 1 complaint on how I use EO in 15 years, even from those that hate it because of pip.

I just found a fine line to use it at times when needed. Basically don't use much at all or often.

What are you brewing that requires this small amount of EO?

 

[bananafeet]

The thing is, you don't need to tell them you are using high BB they will not notice, I never see anyone complaining of high BB (not that you need that high of BB) for normal concentration 15/20% is enough for high concentration 25/26% is needed sometime.

I have seen more complaints about EO instead in comparisons.

But anyway sources all brew normal concentration on average, so the standard recipe 20% BB 1/2BA works wonder. Don't see the need of EO on any of those normal recipes.

On oral and pre workout injectable yeah EO has its use

Would adding EO stop primo E 200mg/ml or Test undecanoate 300mg/ml crashing in the muscle causing PIP?

I'm guessing the knots caused by primo E at higher concentrations are caused by that. The same for test U.

I've got mast E 200mg/ml with EO and it's so smooth. Any ideas?

 

[Sampei]

Would adding EO stop primo E 200mg/ml or Test undecanoate 300mg/ml crashing in the muscle causing PIP?

I'm guessing the knots caused by primo E at higher concentrations are caused by that. The same for test U.

I've got mast E 200mg/ml with EO and it's so smooth. Any ideas?

I don't get any know from test U.

Neither from primo 200. I did get it from primo 300 but that's another story.

I don't get any knot from masteron 400 either so I don't think your idea has any basis.

 

[Mac81]

I'm just reading through this... And I feel really stupid. I apparently had no f****** clue, what EO really was, and what the purpose of it was... I don't know how I could have got that so confused... I have used it very little but it was something I had read up about I thought it was a substitution as a solvent and could hold higher concentrations of things but it seemed like everybody was scared to death of using it because they think it's toxic... I had higher concentrations of certain compounds that liked crashing, and I was adding like 10% EO and it seemed like it was solving the crashing problem at least I thought it was... But you guys are saying it's an oil and not a solvent at all?

 

[Mac81]

Like one use I found was tren ace, I was able to get it to hold at 200 very well, you probably ask me why the hell would you do that? I liked being able to mix a very tiny amount of it in a shot of test, and get the correct dosage.. and that's how I got it to hold correctly for long term, I just added 10% EO.. apparently I'm not using it correctly though.. I personally never had any issue and never noticed anything different about it, I also got zero pip that way, but I imagine it's because it's diluted into the test? it's nice to learn something new anyway.. I also added it to test C when it was mixed at 300 or above, because it also would crash on me continually, but that was in gso .. since I figured out about MCT, I don't even have to do that anymore.

 

[bananafeet]

I'm just reading through this... And I feel really stupid. I apparently had no f****** clue, what EO really was, and what the purpose of it was... I don't know how I could have got that so confused... I have used it very little but it was something I had read up about I thought it was a substitution as a solvent and could hold higher concentrations of things but it seemed like everybody was scared to death of using it because they think it's toxic... I had higher concentrations of certain compounds that liked crashing, and I was adding like 10% EO and it seemed like it was solving the crashing problem at least I thought it was... But you guys are saying it's an oil and not a solvent at all?

According to: chemicalbook
"ETHYL OLEATE is often used as a solubilizer for lipophilic drugs, especially in the preparation of injectable oily solutions. For example, it can significantly increase the solubility and bioavailability of steroid drugs (such as testosterone and other steroid drugs) when preparing injection solutions, reducing the irritation at the injection site. In addition, due to its good tissue compatibility and low toxicity, ETHYL OLEATE can also serve as a drug carrier to help control the release rate of drugs."

So not a solvent but a carrier oil with solvent like properties. So it may prevent steroids from crashing when injected causing PIP (that's my thinking anyway).