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MESO-Rx Exclusive Bill Roberts 2 on 4 off cycle update
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Again I must agree with Mac, yet just make sure you have everything organized for PCT. Remember, RG and BR are accustomed to developing advanced protocols many of which are designed for professional lifters and body builders. Try to maintain moderation until you become one.
mac111
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not a viable way to control estro................
Although the Masteron and Tren do not significantly aromatize into estrogen what about the testosterone in your potion?
I obviously wouldnt find masteron alone as an antiestrogen too useful on a long cycle, im sure i'll be fine for 2 weeks .. As im sure you guys know that masteron was made for the purpose of stunting the growth of estrogen fed breast cancer tumors in women.... Sounds effective to me...im not saying it is maximally effective but still effective nonetheless
mac111
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mast or proviron SHOULD NOT be viewed as an anti e, as some seem to think, you still need an AI
Just because your not showing any signs of excess estrogen does not mean aromatization is not occurring. Indeed it is, and since cycles similar to yours
result in an fT:E-2 ratio exceeding 200 (estrogen and testosterone are both INCREASING yet fT much more than E-2) thereby completely suppressing the HTPA you will feel and look like a puffed pig upon its discontinuation. Because absent vigilant PCT planning the ratio flips (estrogen > testosterone).
Subsequently, I suspect your next thread to MAC will be how to reverse your new found female phenotype. But then again, if some people simply refuse to listen to logic...then so be it.
result in an fT:E-2 ratio exceeding 200 (estrogen and testosterone are both INCREASING yet fT much more than E-2) thereby completely suppressing the HTPA you will feel and look like a puffed pig upon its discontinuation. Because absent vigilant PCT planning the ratio flips (estrogen > testosterone).
Subsequently, I suspect your next thread to MAC will be how to reverse your new found female phenotype. But then again, if some people simply refuse to listen to logic...then so be it.
body by cookies and cake
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one of my mates is thinking of starting this, he has a solid 9 years of training and experienced gear user. he wants to just run test prop for 11 days and not stack gear for awhile.
at what dose of prop will he need to run to utilize this style of cycle. i was thinking 1.5ml a day but im un sure so was hoping bill or even realgains could help out.
thanks in advance.
my mate is
male
28
104kgs
10% bf
6 feet tall
diet is dialed in.
at what dose of prop will he need to run to utilize this style of cycle. i was thinking 1.5ml a day but im un sure so was hoping bill or even realgains could help out.
thanks in advance.
my mate is
male
28
104kgs
10% bf
6 feet tall
diet is dialed in.
At least 150 mg/day, with Day 1 being at least 450 mg. So, agreed with your estimate, with the addition that the frontload is needed.
body by cookies and cake
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Thanks, sounds good ill pass on the info and get him sorted.
he hates tren, but ill see if he will stack mast at 600+ a week to try and make teh most of this style of training.
he hates tren, but ill see if he will stack mast at 600+ a week to try and make teh most of this style of training.
body by cookies and cake
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Thanks, sounds good ill pass on the info and get him sorted.
he hates tren, but ill see if he will stack mast at 600+ a week to try and make teh most of this style of training.
he hates tren, but ill see if he will stack mast at 600+ a week to try and make teh most of this style of training.
Prop being such a quick release, why the front load?
In a two week cycle, you don't want to unnecessarily lose even a day. You only have 14 of them!
Without frontloading, it takes 7 half lives to reach full levels. If figuring half life as two days, that's 14 days to reach full level. In actuality one gets pretty close by 5 half-lives, and mostway there by 3.
But even figuring for "mostway there," that's 6 days.
It's not that there's nothing in the meantime, but there's considerably less than full effect.
Out of only 14 days, that's just too long.
Without frontloading, it takes 7 half lives to reach full levels. If figuring half life as two days, that's 14 days to reach full level. In actuality one gets pretty close by 5 half-lives, and mostway there by 3.
But even figuring for "mostway there," that's 6 days.
It's not that there's nothing in the meantime, but there's considerably less than full effect.
Out of only 14 days, that's just too long.
body by cookies and cake
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The tricky part is convincing my friend that this style of cycling works. hes old school . plus in australia they think only americans would shoot up that much gear. Lol one of the pro amateurs in our gym said he only used 750mg a week of gear so my mates thinking 150 ed wtf , even pros dont use that much .. its funny cause the guy obviously lied
id love to do 2-4 but i dont think my body is ready for that much gear per week. im just following the science and doing 8 weeks of suppression to avoid myostatin and make teh most of my time on. and making my recovery very quick
id love to do 2-4 but i dont think my body is ready for that much gear per week. im just following the science and doing 8 weeks of suppression to avoid myostatin and make teh most of my time on. and making my recovery very quick
mac111
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oh yeah? another 'my friend' thread from a kid who is too young to be using.
theres a big surprise we've never seen before
theres a big surprise we've never seen before
mac111
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rightyo then Einstein, a 'professional' amateur? [
)]how does that work then? kid, wise up, we know its you tht you seek advice for, wise up and stop playing with fire before you screw yourself up good and proper.
body by cookies and cake
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oh yeah? another 'my friend' thread from a kid who is too young to be using.
theres a big surprise we've never seen before
all you do is post whore and flame people. u bring nothing to the conversation or topic on hand.
mac111
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yeah, nothing but the truth...
and as far as im aware, there arent any prizes for post count, so i fail tosee why i'd be one. post whore is the usual retort from someone who knows they're being stupid and they get pissed when called up on it........
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body by cookies and cake
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My bad i didnt know asking for help on a help forum was stupid.
u caught me, i just signed up and am really 17 years old and want to know why im not growing on my var only cycle , like my var should be legit i got two bottles from the banner above when i signed up last week.
i ask alot of questions for people i train who choose to use gear. to get different opinions and not jump head in thinking i know everything there is about gear. Bill and alot of the members here have been great providing why and how with concrete articles and medical facts that back their statement.
10 years this board use to be full of great people, eager to help and add to teh community, ie : hogg etc etc. You, not so much. If anything u remind me more of a fan boi Anthony Roberts who makes fake accounts to cause strife among a great community of dedicated users.
u caught me, i just signed up and am really 17 years old and want to know why im not growing on my var only cycle , like my var should be legit i got two bottles from the banner above when i signed up last week.
i ask alot of questions for people i train who choose to use gear. to get different opinions and not jump head in thinking i know everything there is about gear. Bill and alot of the members here have been great providing why and how with concrete articles and medical facts that back their statement.
10 years this board use to be full of great people, eager to help and add to teh community, ie : hogg etc etc. You, not so much. If anything u remind me more of a fan boi Anthony Roberts who makes fake accounts to cause strife among a great community of dedicated users.
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