MESO-Rx Exclusive Bill Roberts 2 on 4 off cycle update

[mac111]

My bad i didnt know asking for help on a help forum was stupid.

u caught me, i just signed up and am really 17 years old and want to know why im not growing on my var only cycle , like my var should be legit i got two bottles from the banner above when i signed up last week.

i ask alot of questions for people i train who choose to use gear. to get different opinions and not jump head in thinking i know everything there is about gear. Bill and alot of the members here have been great providing why and how with concrete articles and medical facts that back their statement.

10 years this board use to be full of great people, eager to help and add to teh community, ie : hogg etc etc. You, not so much. If anything u remind me more of a fan boi Anthony Roberts who makes fake accounts to cause strife among a great community of dedicated users.

yeah right, retard.

this forum is full of tossers like yourself with multiple handles, its fucking laughable. and if you think im a multi-account holder, then im quite happy for Millard to disprove your theory.

'cycle for a friend' lmao, stupid child.....

 

[body by cookies and cake]

yeah right, retard.

this forum is full of tossers like yourself with multiple handles, its fucking laughable. and if you think im a multi-account holder, then im quite happy for Millard to disprove your theory.

'cycle for a friend' lmao, stupid child.....

is this what meso has turned into? then im quite happy for Millard to ban my account. 10 years using this forum and its profiles and articles this is what its progressed to? this board when i was 23 taught me stay off gear till later in life and i waited till i was 30, 3 years ago... in that time of 7 years i became educated and informed and have made teh best of all my gains while "on"

You rant like a child calling me "tosser" ? , You use grade 4 mentality" ii know you are but what am i" accusing me of childish things and disrespect people like bill who try and educate us. u go in other threads make fun of people ability to speak english. Grow up, Seriously a troll is a troll is a troll.

 

[mands]

is this what meso has turned into? then im quite happy for Millard to ban my account. 10 years using this forum and its profiles and articles this is what its progressed to? this board when i was 23 taught me stay off gear till later in life and i waited till i was 30, 3 years ago... in that time of 7 years i became educated and informed and have made teh best of all my gains while "on"

You rant like a child calling me "tosser" ? , You use grade 4 mentality" ii know you are but what am i" accusing me of childish things and disrespect people like bill who try and educate us. u go in other threads make fun of people ability to speak english. Grow up, Seriously a troll is a troll is a troll.

I understand your frustration BBCAC! I think mac just has seen to many people on here with the wrong intentions so he is skeptical. I don't know and I can't speak for him but that's what I gather. I am in no way justifying his actions I just thought you might want to hear another side.

I think you cycle looks good and definitely front-load as Bill suggested.

mands

 

[Jagger34]

At least 150 mg/day, with Day 1 being at least 450 mg. So, agreed with your estimate, with the addition that the frontload is needed.

Bill: curious on your thoughts for this type of cycle for a one timer. I've always regarded 2 weekers as more appropriate for those with a few cycles under their belt already due to the high amount of gear recommended (1 g/week) and their inepxperience with the gear itself.

I take it from this post tho that it is OK to run similar for a first timer?

 

[MuscleMind]

You want to inject the prop ester atleast every other day to get stable blood levels.

 

[Jagger34]

Bill: curious on your thoughts for this type of cycle for a one timer. I've always regarded 2 weekers as more appropriate for those with a few cycles under their belt already due to the high amount of gear recommended (1 g/week) and their inepxperience with the gear itself.

I take it from this post tho that it is OK to run similar for a first timer?

This should have said first timer, not one timer. Brain fart

 

[Bill Roberts]

Bill: curious on your thoughts for this type of cycle for a one timer. I've always regarded 2 weekers as more appropriate for those with a few cycles under their belt already due to the high amount of gear recommended (1 g/week) and their inepxperience with the gear itself.

I take it from this post tho that it is OK to run similar for a first timer?

Yes, absolutely fine! It's a more conservative thing to do than more typical first cycles, regardless of dosing being at the gram per week level.

 

[Jagger34]

Bill: curious on your thoughts for this type of cycle for a one timer. I've always regarded 2 weekers as more appropriate for those with a few cycles under their belt already due to the high amount of gear recommended (1 g/week) and their inepxperience with the gear itself.

I take it from this post tho that it is OK to run similar for a first timer?

This should have said first timer, not one timer. Brain fart

 

[Dr JIM]

17 years old and a "one timer"! You've got to be joking!
Fella the only thing you will achieve is testicle atrophy, HTPA disruption,and a F....ed
UP reproductive future!
At least get your fT, tT and
E-2 checked before you start
"cycling".

 

[MuscleMind]

17 years old and a "one timer"! You've got to be joking!
Fella the only thing you will achieve is testicle atrophy, HTPA disruption,and a F....ed
UP reproductive future!
At least get your fT, tT and
E-2 checked before you start
"cycling".

Solid advice

 

[mands]

17 years old and a "one timer"! You've got to be joking!
Fella the only thing you will achieve is testicle atrophy, HTPA disruption,and a F....ed
UP reproductive future!
At least get your fT, tT and
E-2 checked before you start
"cycling".

He was being sarcastic I think here Dr JIM lol read it again.

mands

 

[body by cookies and cake]

Bill: curious on your thoughts for this type of cycle for a one timer. I've always regarded 2 weekers as more appropriate for those with a few cycles under their belt already due to the high amount of gear recommended (1 g/week) and their inepxperience with the gear itself.

I take it from this post tho that it is OK to run similar for a first timer?

i think the idea is not "how much gear" but how fast you can recover your Lh and volume vs. sides hence why 2 0n 2 off excels over 10-12 week cycles. when same time on side by side.

Bills articles have really shown the importance of running 8 week of suppression and avoiding deca and understanding myostatin protein and its effects on gaining and maintaining over limit mass.

if you cant afford the gear, 8 weeks of supression of prop and a oral might be a good bet for you, or another cycle i had really good gains with was ronnie rowlands 8 week, 2 weeks bridge half dosage then 8 weeks with slightly higher dosage then 2 weeks bridge half dosage, half life downtime and then pct. all up a 20 week cycle + pct. Ive had better keepable gains on this 20 weeker then running cookie cutter 10-12 weeks on.

Ive also stopped stacking gear, unless running a low dose medicinal deca for my shoulder untill i stop gaining on 1.5 g test E a week , right now using test e 350 3 times a week im still gaining better then when stacking gear and running adex, now i just keep letro on hand and stane but dont ai, yes i have elevated estrogen but after water weight loss after coming off my gains have been very keep able. I do however run caber year round, i love it still only 1mg a week script from my dr, although he suggest i run 1 mg a day i still get all the positive sides from the two times a week of 0.5. so a script last me half a year.

so in conclusion if 2 on 4 off / 2on 2 off is too much pinning volume, or the cost is too high, look into propionate ester stacks for 8 weeks of suppression not pinning , proper pct. blood level checks 4-6 weeks after pct finished u should recover fairly quick and keep more gains since myostatin hasn't started forming in your body at a elevated rate making it hard to keep ur gains when u are no longer anabolic. But for you probaly a good idea to run stane ed at 10mg or if u have pills in half so 12.5mg

 

[Jagger34]

i think the idea is not "how much gear" but how fast you can recover your Lh and volume vs. sides hence why 2 0n 2 off excels over 10-12 week cycles. when same time on side by side.

Bills articles have really shown the importance of running 8 week of suppression and avoiding deca and understanding myostatin protein and its effects on gaining and maintaining over limit mass.

if you cant afford the gear, 8 weeks of supression of prop and a oral might be a good bet for you, or another cycle i had really good gains with was ronnie rowlands 8 week, 2 weeks bridge half dosage then 8 weeks with slightly higher dosage then 2 weeks bridge half dosage, half life downtime and then pct. all up a 20 week cycle + pct. Ive had better keepable gains on this 20 weeker then running cookie cutter 10-12 weeks on.

Ive also stopped stacking gear, unless running a low dose medicinal deca for my shoulder untill i stop gaining on 1.5 g test E a week , right now using test e 350 3 times a week im still gaining better then when stacking gear and running adex, now i just keep letro on hand and stane but dont ai, yes i have elevated estrogen but after water weight loss after coming off my gains have been very keep able. I do however run caber year round, i love it still only 1mg a week script from my dr, although he suggest i run 1 mg a day i still get all the positive sides from the two times a week of 0.5. so a script last me half a year.

so in conclusion if 2 on 4 off / 2on 2 off is too much pinning volume, or the cost is too high, look into propionate ester stacks for 8 weeks of suppression not pinning , proper pct. blood level checks 4-6 weeks after pct finished u should recover fairly quick and keep more gains since myostatin hasn't started forming in your body at a elevated rate making it hard to keep ur gains when u are no longer anabolic. But for you probaly a good idea to run stane ed at 10mg or if u have pills in half so 12.5mg

Thanks for the tips man. It sounds like you've got a good game plan going with your cycles.

My original question to Bill wasn't really for me since I've got some cycles under my belt (though no two weekers yet) just wanted to know more for info. I had always advised guys to proceed with caution for their first time with a more conservative 500 mg dose for 10 weeks or so to judge how they react. Plus everyone.seems to get great gains from 500 mg week for the first time.

Luckily (or unluckily if u wanna look at it pessimistically ) recovery isn't an issue for me since I am on TRT. So i have a lot of leeway in what compounds I can use and not have to worry about how harsh they are to the HPTA. I'm really interested tho in the 2 weekers cause I hate waiting and have a very "blast" mentality to this anyway so i think they would be a nice fit.

 

[deadwood]

Thanks for the tips man. It sounds like you've got a good game plan going with your cycles.

My original question to Bill wasn't really for me since I've got some cycles under my belt (though no two weekers yet) just wanted to know more for info. I had always advised guys to proceed with caution for their first time with a more conservative 500 mg dose for 10 weeks or so to judge how they react. Plus everyone.seems to get great gains from 500 mg week for the first time.

Luckily (or unluckily if u wanna look at it pessimistically ) recovery isn't an issue for me since I am on TRT. So i have a lot of leeway in what compounds I can use and not have to worry about how harsh they are to the HPTA. I'm really interested tho in the 2 weekers cause I hate waiting and have a very "blast" mentality to this anyway so i think they would be a nice fit.

How did you score the TRT? How old are you?
I have been trying for a while and no success.

 

[body by cookies and cake]

how are you going to keep your cholesterol in check if you are blasting 2 weekers while bridging with trt?

 

[Jagger34]

How did you score the TRT? How old are you?
I have been trying for a while and no success.

Testicular cancer. You probably don't want to go that route.

 

[deadwood]

Testicular cancer. You probably don't want to go that route.

Oh shit.

 

[Jagger34]

how are you going to keep your cholesterol in check if you are blasting 2 weekers while bridging with trt?

My CHOL has actually improved since I started cycling. Probably because I dropped a lot of body fat and eating cleaner. Not having cancer anymore probably helped too.

HDL had always been on the low side while LDL and Total were a bit above range (tho I don't put a lot of stock in those ranges considering how much influence the statin companies have had on influencing them) high dose Niacin before bed has helped the HDL dramatically taking me from around 30 to mid 40's.

I've got a good doc who lets me get bloodwork whenever I need it so it works pretty well.

I guess to answer your question I'm not at all concerned about my CHOL but will continue to monitor it

 

[Dr JIM]

Looks like your right MANDS but damn why doesn't his "friend" post!

 

[body by cookies and cake]

because not everyone i train is computer savoy , and as i said getting a few other opinions in my books is best for my clients making sure im giving them the best info.