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Blew my left elbow out 16 days ago! Complete tear of left elbow tendon surgery monday! Tore my right tendon n muscle 2 years ago and right pec when weight came down benching!

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CensoredBoardsSuck said:
I had a nasty case of lateral epicondylitis (tennis elbow) for years. I tried stretching exercises, physiotherapy, massage, etc. It got so bad, I could barely hold a cup of coffee without dropping it and I was seriously considering surgery.

I decided to give exercises one more shot but rather than use the exercises from the physiotherapist, I used exercises that caused the most pain - reverse wrist curls and another exercise holding (pronated) the end of a dumbbell with a plate on one side and lifting to 90 degrees. I did 3 sets of each exercise eod starting with a light weight and increasing over time as strength increased. Sets were done for the maximum "burn" possible - usually 30 - 50 reps and the I concentrated on slow eccentrics (30 seconds) - anything to make it harder and increase the burn. I used NO stretching, ice or massage.

What I first noticed with this protocol was greatly reduced pain the following day which would slowly return until the next exercise day. After about 2 months, the improvement was quite significant and by 6 months it was probably 95% improved. I saw no further improvement beyond the 95% so I stopped the exercises.

The improvement has remained to this day although last winter, I got tendonitis in the other elbow. Maybe it just moved.:eek:

I'm not suggesting my experience is the answer but there is evidence eccentric loading is beneficial for tendonitis.

CBS
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Yes, this type of training is good for tendon repair, and here is why:

Compared to bones, tendons take longer to heal.

At the point where the tendon inserts itself into the bone, the tissues of the tendon change in composition so they can attach to the bone. The attachment is so strong that an injury isn’t likely to dislodge the tendon, even though it is damaged. Tendon damaged is usually categorized as a stage 1, 2, or 3 tear. Stage 3 tears require surgical reattachment from its moorings, it can be a serious challenge even for a skilled orthopedic surgeon to sew the fragmented tissues back together again and re-attach them to the bone.

Complete severing is a major injury (and even w/ a successful surgery) you will never be 100%. Even micro tears cause fairly serious and painful damage. Blood flow to the tendons is limited, bones get more blood flow and that is part of why tendon injuries take so long to heal.

The above protocol of CBS was one which did a very good job of increasing blood flow via high reps and slowed eccentric movement. The recovery is very logical.

I am not surprised at all at his results. When I get tendon issues, I make sure to keep my reps at 14, but I will give the 30 plus rep schema a try.
 
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Hi,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I am very interested in what BioLogic has to offer, but am a little confused on the status of the site in conjunction with this 30 day public window. Clearly I am trying to take advantage of this opportunity as my current source has 'retired'.

I understand that at one point in time BioLogic was fully private, requiring referral or recommendation for their corresponding contact email and list. However, now that they are temporarily public, I am curious as to whether one can just browse the site now and place an order expecting the same communication and turn around.

I suspect the usage of the site is dependent on whether BioLogic recognizes if you are a referred customer. If this is in the case, a PM would be appreciated. I understand Stretch is the go to for such requests. I have sent a few PMs his way, and do not doubt his credibility, but assume he must be very busy with other similar requests.
 
Pericles said:
Yes, this type of training is good for tendon repair, and here is why:

Compared to bones, tendons take longer to heal.

At the point where the tendon inserts itself into the bone, the tissues of the tendon change in composition so they can attach to the bone. The attachment is so strong that an injury isn’t likely to dislodge the tendon, even though it is damaged. Tendon damaged is usually categorized as a stage 1, 2, or 3 tear. Stage 3 tears require surgical reattachment from its moorings, it can be a serious challenge even for a skilled orthopedic surgeon to sew the fragmented tissues back together again and re-attach them to the bone.

Complete severing is a major injury (and even w/ a successful surgery) you will never be 100%. Even micro tears cause fairly serious and painful damage. Blood flow to the tendons is limited, bones get more blood flow and that is part of why tendon injuries take so long to heal.

The above protocol of CBS was one which did a very good job of increasing blood flow via high reps and slowed eccentric movement. The recovery is very logical.

I am not surprised at all at his results. When I get tendon issues, I make sure to keep my reps at 14, but I will give the 30 plus rep schema a try.
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Basically what CBS was doing is the Bill Starr rehab protocol, which has been around since the 70s, and works great for muscle and tendon injuries.

It's funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

The last thing anyone should do with minor muscle/tendon injury like strains, tendonitis, and maybe even micro tears, is immobilize the joint. This only leads to further problems. You have to keep the blood flowing to the injured areas so they can heal.
 
CBS
What was your age when you first developed the epicondylitis problem AND what was believed to be the underlying causation
 
Dr JIM said:
CBS
What was your age when you first developed the epicondylitis problem AND what was believed to be the underlying causation
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Early thirties with no PMHx of tendonitis. I built a 30 x 40 ft x 24 ft high barn on my property over the course of one summer. Rather than sheath the barn with plywood, I skimped and used 1x5" rough cut boards and nailed each board by hand. Foolishly, I ignored the Sx of tendonitis and continued working on it. When I finished, I had a nice barn and a case of tennis elbow that plagued me for years after. I still curse those 1x5" rough boards!
 
I ask because there are several relative forms of tendinitis which respond to therapy quite differently.

Ultimately the most reliable means of treating tendinitis is remove it's causation, duh, easier said than done.

Most forms of eccentric relief occur in those forms where SEVERAL TENDONS are involved and co-apt at a BROAD common axis (Lateral and Medial Epicondylitis, Ilio Tibial Band)

However that form of therapy is can cause more harm than good ESPECIALLY in patients greater than roughly 45 and in those with singular NARROW attachment disease (Patellar, Achilles, Bicipital) That's because these sites offer little additional support as means of compensation when performing "break thru" exercises thus making them much more prone to RUPTURE if "pushed".

Jimmy
 
Dr JIM said:
I ask because there are several relative forms of tendinitis which respond to therapy quite differently.

Ultimately the most reliable means of treating tendinitis is remove it's causation, duh, easier said than done.

Most forms of eccentric relief occur in those forms where SEVERAL TENDONS are involved and co-apt at a BROAD common axis (Lateral and Medial Epicondylitis, Ilio Tibial Band)

However that form of therapy is can cause more harm than good ESPECIALLY in patients greater than roughly 45 and in those with singular NARROW attachment disease (Patellar, Achilles, Bicipital) That's because these sites offer little additional support as means of compensation when performing "break thru" exercises thus making them much more prone to RUPTURE if "pushed".

Jimmy
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JC....what time is Judge Wapner on? If I threw a box of toothpicks on the ground would you be able to count them instantly Rainman....I'm mean Jim? :P
 
Skull crushers w/ db's absolutely rape my elbows no matter what :(

Anyways, sweet stuff here. Been lurking this forum for years... think it's time to join and quit being such a l0saa.
 
are these guy public yet? or do i need to pm someone to get in? also is there website the one that pops up on google as
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www.biologicpharma.com
 
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