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I ask because there are several relative forms of tendinitis which respond to therapy quite differently.

Ultimately the most reliable means of treating tendinitis is remove it's causation, duh, easier said than done.

Most forms of eccentric relief occur in those forms where SEVERAL TENDONS are involved and co-apt at a BROAD common axis (Lateral and Medial Epicondylitis, Ilio Tibial Band)

However that form of therapy is can cause more harm than good ESPECIALLY in patients greater than roughly 45 and in those with singular NARROW attachment disease (Patellar, Achilles, Bicipital) That's because these sites offer little additional support as means of compensation when performing "break thru" exercises thus making them much more prone to RUPTURE if "pushed".

Jimmy

I wondered about that risk prior to starting the protocol but desperate times require desperate measures. Thanks

 

[Dr JIM]

Your condition (Epicondylitis) responds reasonably well to "break thru" exercises with minimal risk of rupture in those less than 35-40 years.

Again the reason is multiple (3-4) tendons coapting at a broad axis.

Actually I've evaluated many patients with lateral epicondylitis and I've never witnessed a "rupture".

Jim

 

[chiefbigroid]

can a vet pm me info on biologic

 

[JackC4]

Read thru the thread hoss, its all there.

 

[Pericles]

Surgery day! 1145 wish me luck friends!

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 4

I LOVE surgeries, it is the only time when I can legitimately get high.

I hope it goes well for you. You should get some Michael Jackson juice, and then some Hillbilly heroin to take home.

 

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Your condition (Epicondylitis) responds reasonably well to "break thru" exercises with minimal risk of rupture in those less than 35-40 years.

Again the reason is multiple (3-4) tendons coapting at a broad axis.

Actually I've evaluated many patients with lateral epicondylitis and I've never witnessed a "rupture".

Jim

What made me decide to try "break thru" exercises or at least helped reassure me that it wouldn't cause more harm were some studies that suggested the traditional inflammatory model is wrong, i.e., the belief that lateral epichondylitis is the result of macroscopic or microscopic tears at the common tendon of the wrist extensor muscles due to chronic overuse. It's my understanding the traditional view has never been substantiated and the literature seems to show it's not an inflammatory process.

Nirschl et al published on his histopathological examination of lateral epicondylitis in the 70's, showing the affected tendon (extensor carpi radialis brevis) was characterized by disorganized and immature collagen, a dense population of fibroblasts, and an ABSCENCE of inflammatory cells which he believed were characteristic a degenerative process rather than an inflammatory one. Newer studies have similar histological findings including at least one that found normal levels of E2 prostaglandin - not what you would expect in an inflammatory condition.

The only consensus seems to be that tendonitis is very complex. Any thoughts on this or the idea that changing the name to epichondylosis/epichondylalgia would better reflect the etiology?


J Bone Joint Surg Am. 1979 Sep;61(6A):832-9.
Tennis elbow. The surgical treatment of lateral epicondylitis. Tennis elbow. The surgical treatment of... [J Bone Joint Surg Am. 1979] - PubMed - NCBI
Nirschl RP, Pettrone FA.
Abstract

Of the 1,213 clinical cases of lateral tennis elbow seen during the time period from December 19, 1971, to October 31, 1977, eighty-eight elbows in eighty-two patients had operative treatment. The lesion that was consistently identified at surgery was immature fibroblastic and vascular infiltration of the origin of the extensor carpi radialis brevis. A specific surgical technique was employed, including exposure of the extensor carpi radialis brevis, excision of the identified lesion, and repair. The results at follow-up were rated as excellent in sixty-six elbows, good in nine, fair in eleven, and failed in two. There was an over-all improvement rate of 97.7 per cent, and 85.2 per cent of the patients returned to full activity including rigorous sports


Acta Orthop Scand. 2000 Oct;71(5):475-9.
In vivo investigation of ECRB tendons with microdialysis technique--no signs of inflammation but high amounts of glutamate in tennis elbow. In vivo investigation of ECRB tendons with... [Acta Orthop Scand. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI
Alfredson H, Ljung BO, Thorsen K, Lorentzon R.

Abstract

We used the microdialysis technique to study concentrations of substances in the extensor carpi radialis brevis (ECRB) tendon in patients with tennis elbow. In 4 patients (mean age 41 years, 3 men) with a long duration of localized pain at the ECRB muscle origin, and in 4 controls (mean age 36 years, 2 men) with no history of elbow pain, a standard microdialysis catheter was inserted into the ECRB tendon under local anesthesia. The local concentrations of the neurotransmitter glutamate and prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) were recorded under resting conditions. Samplings were done every 15 minutes during a 2-hour period. We found higher mean concentrations of glutamate in ECRB tendons from patients with tennis elbow than in tendons from controls (215 vs. 69 micromoL/L, p < 0.001). There were no significant differences in the mean concentrations of PGE2 (74 vs. 86 pg/mL). In conclusion, in situ microdialysis can be used to study certain metabolic events in the ECRB tendon of the elbow. Our findings indicate involvement of the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate, but no biochemical signs of inflammation (normal PGE2 levels) in ECRB tendons from patients with tennis elbow.

 

[Pericles]

CBS: "
The only consensus seems to be that tendonitis is very complex. Any thoughts on this or the idea that changing the name to epichondylosis/epichondylalgia would better reflect the etiology?"

I think there is also a consensus that rest and recovery, IE not overusing helps.

The problem as bodybuilders and type A personalities, taking time off is the last thing we want to hear.

I had what I thought was a micro tear in my hamstring, but I tried some alternative medicine. I saw a chiropractor (I met her at my gym) and her theory was that the hamstring problem was actually the result of muscle/soft tissue problems around the hamstring, and not the hammy itself. After 3 treatments, my hamstring was much better (although I am now having problems in my spinal erectors).

A funny side note, Doc T is also a very attractive women. I was at the gym one night, and I pointed at her and said "I bet I can get her to touch my butt" and 3 guys took the bet. A few days later, everyone was there and I got T to go over where the 3 guys were.

I turned to her and said "have you touched my butt, yes or no?"

Yes she said, priceless.

Back to bio products. I am running 500 a week script Test e, 200 bio test p, 350 bio NPP, and 60 mgs 4 times a week bio var.

I am up 8 lbs (224 to 232) in 9 days. Of course much of that is water, but my strength has gone up noticeably since. 500 mgs of t e alone w/ not give me these results,

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey chief since this is a "biologic" thread rest assured if THEY want to contact someone with 18 posts they will.

However asking another "vet" on Meso to provide you with contact info is as demonstrative of your inexperience as your post count.

 

[chiefbigroid]

guess its time for me to hit the weights again [}]


didnt mean to step on anyones toes, and actually someone did pm me. I am also on other boards.. chiefbigroid on all.. i have nothing to hide and aint trying to scam or fu ck anyone. cant say that for most people on these boards... just another bb trying to get a new source,,, trying out this online shit, but i can see that most of it is bullshit reverse scamming.. lucky you get anything and if you do... better get your tests done because there is alot of snake oil out here... All The bullshit, but I should expect this from the goood ol USA.... Land of the Free Fuck!!!!!!!! more weight time... shit dealing with you mfs on these forums and I get all the motivation I need... if i keep this up I wont need any aas..... Now as you can see I'm not in the greatest modes, like i said my bad, but at the same time I dont want to hear the o your post are low shit when most of you joined within the last few months... makes me really think that most of you are friends trying to scam another noob... Now deduct all the points you want...[)]

 

[chiefbigroid]

And Drjim that rant is no way directed towards you or intended for u... I'm just a pissed off..unhappy bb recently. but truthfully I shouldn't have to post on some forum a million times and get snake oil and scammed a million more to get back right. That's whats wrong with america now... if they just put aas on the streets like they do crack we would all be alot healthier and happier as a country [)]

 

[GigaloRob]

I don't believe anyone is concerned with you fucking over or scamming anyone. Problem is you are lazy and want things handed to you. You were told more than once to just read the thread to get your answers.

 

[chiefbigroid]

hold the fuck on!!! who the fuck are you to call me lazy... first off i read damn near all fucking 50 some odd page threads... found the info i need so fuck off... how bout that.... [)] and the only thing i want handed to me know is your fucking neck so I can tear it apart... then will see who the fuck is lazy!!!!

You must be working with all the other friends who scam people huh?

 

[Pericles]

guess its time for me to hit the weights again [}]


didnt mean to step on anyones toes, and actually someone did pm me. I am also on other boards.. chiefbigroid on all.. i have nothing to hide and aint trying to scam or fu ck anyone. cant say that for most people on these boards... just another bb trying to get a new source,,, trying out this online shit, but i can see that most of it is bullshit reverse scamming.. lucky you get anything and if you do... better get your tests done because there is alot of snake oil out here... All The bullshit, but I should expect this from the goood ol USA.... Land of the Free Fuck!!!!!!!! more weight time... shit dealing with you mfs on these forums and I get all the motivation I need... if i keep this up I wont need any aas..... Now as you can see I'm not in the greatest modes, like i said my bad, but at the same time I dont want to hear the o your post are low shit when most of you joined within the last few months... makes me really think that most of you are friends trying to scam another noob... Now deduct all the points you want...[)]

You have to ignore the toxicity on this forum, as there are a lot of so called experts. It offended me, and pissed me off untlil I realized what was actually happening. These people, since they have no accomplishments in terms of the bb or pl world feel the need to insult others. If you want a forum loaded full of actual hard core athletes, then I suggest The Iron Den. There are many champion athletes thre (and that is just the women).

However, there is no source talk allowed there. They lean towards Bro Science (which carries a negative connotation on this board). Just keep in mind that these people are top level powerlifters/ strength athletes. They became champions utilizing bro science

This forum is good for technical discussions. It is also is good for vetting sources. Eroids has its top ten, but I would come back here to see if the ugls are in fact legit. Scammers are despised on this board, and IMO, that is awesome.

One last thing, yes, there is a phenomenal src here. I go to him religiously. And yes, it is Bio. I am blessed to have several good sources, but I only go to bio.

You need to understand that a newb here could cause a great deal of harm. He could pull some dangerous stunts, and or he could be LE.

Stick around. Partake in some of the technical material. Actual academic studies are posted here. If you are not trained/or self taught to interpret results, look for the abstract and or the conclusion. About half or more of the studies contain usable info.

Immerse yourself in the discussions, and that will eventually give you the key to Bio.

 

[chiefbigroid]

thanks man.. I like to hear good advice instead of just negative put downs. I'll stick around and put my time in..

 

[Stretch]

hold the fuck on!!! who the fuck are you to call me lazy... first off i read damn near all fucking 50 some odd page threads... found the info i need so fuck off... how bout that.... [)] and the only thing i want handed to me know is your fucking neck so I can tear it apart... then will see who the fuck is lazy!!!!

You must be working with all the other friends who scam people huh?

Are you trying to be funny with all this scam talk?

 

[cobra500]

Another positive, lightening fast order. Placed order Sunday got it Wednesday. I don't even ask for tracking anymore because I know I'll get it 2-3 days after I order. September 8th can't come fast enough to secure the best source available. Thank you again!

 

[Stretch]

From this moment forward trackers will only be given in the event of a delayed pack, or for extenuating circumstances. Or for you guys who have been customers since day one.

 

[mands]

Keep up the good work Stretch. Let me know about that one thing we were discussing if you get a chance.

I'm feeling good brothers and PC I will get some pics of the wheels for you when I can. I have been extremely busy these last four weeks. Trying to keep up in the gym and have been training a few people as well.

Again Stretch you the man.

mands

 

[mands]

hold the fuck on!!! who the fuck are you to call me lazy... first off i read damn near all fucking 50 some odd page threads... found the info i need so fuck off... how bout that.... [)] and the only thing i want handed to me know is your fucking neck so I can tear it apart... then will see who the fuck is lazy!!!!

You must be working with all the other friends who scam people huh?

Hey my man! I know it can get frustrating on these boards. Just stick around and contribute. I try not to get into any pissing matches with these crazies on here(no offense brothers). I just let them do it and sit back and watch. Unless I feel the need to step in and get a jab in or two. It's a great board and has knowledgable members. You just have to sort out the bullshit sometimes.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Chief if you frequented those "forums" as much as you do Meso without truly participating its no wonder your getting scammed, lol!