Blacktop / Meditrope ~ IGF-1 Test Results

[Eman]

Eman, I started on the Blacks in Nov and switched the Greys. Honestly now with 4 months done on HGH, I really do not know what it is or isnt doing aside from numb hands. I'm on cycle too so it is apparent what the tren etc is doing. But I really do not not know if HGH does anything for me. What about you?

I noticed the most results on cycle with hGH, definitely a synergy there. I imagine your tren results are slightly enhanced by the tren too, it has an effect on IGF production.

Off cycle, the results are rather subtle. Muscle retention, enhanced fat loss in a cut, better recovery... Even after my PCT was over I noticed I was still full and even gaining more, it's stalled out a bit since.

Keep in mind, it really takes a while before you see results and it depends on what your expectations and goals are...

 

[Thinkbig]

I noticed the most results on cycle with hGH, definitely a synergy there. I imagine your tren results are slightly enhanced by the tren too, it has an effect on IGF production.

Off cycle, the results are rather subtle. Muscle retention, enhanced fat loss in a cut, better recovery... Even after my PCT was over I noticed I was still full and even gaining more, it's stalled out a bit since.

Keep in mind, it really takes a while before you see results and it depends on what your expectations and goals are...

Hard to say if tren is enhanced by the gh. I'm on 700mg of ace a week.... Thing is with this dose and having other compounds involved it is really hard to say what does what. I can tell the tren of course. Adding Masteron did add more leaness and less water. Anavar hasnt really kicked in. But the GH.... I really do not know. I've done this cycle before and like last time leaness is contigent on diet. I tried eating dirty thinking the GH would allow for more of this. This isnt the case for me. I am hoping once I am off all of this and just on test that I can keep more of this by staying on GH. My goals were fat loss. But as always fat loss is diet...

 

[Wunderpus]

Hard to say if tren is enhanced by the gh. I'm on 700mg of ace a week.... Thing is with this dose and having other compounds involved it is really hard to say what does what. I can tell the tren of course. Adding Masteron did add more leaness and less water. Anavar hasnt really kicked in. But the GH.... I really do not know. I've done this cycle before and like last time leaness is contigent on diet. I tried eating dirty thinking the GH would allow for more of this. This isnt the case for me. I am hoping once I am off all of this and just on test that I can keep more of this by staying on GH. My goals were fat loss. But as always fat loss is diet...

I think it would be difficult to find any cycle that GH doesn't add a benefit to.

 

[RThoads]

I think it would be difficult to find any cycle that GH doesn't add a benefit to.

for sure.
Shit, I added 4 iu HGH a day to my cruise and I swear I am holding EVERYTHING and maybe even making some gains while noticing a slight body comp improvement.
And, I truly cruise, not just a low dosage cycle -- I am only on 125 mg PRIMO + 125 mg TEST-C a week.

 

[Thinkbig]

I think it would be difficult to find any cycle that GH doesn't add a benefit to.

Thing is I have run this cycle before and this round I am more aggressive with my diet so I do seem to be leaning out more. Could that be the GH? Sure. But do I know? Nope... For me at least GH is very hard for me to tell what is doing what(couple with the price the GH alone costs more than all the other compounds combined.........). Heck adding the anavar to this much tren makes the anavar hard to tell what it is doing. The Masteron I could actually see subcutaneous water decreasing. Really for me to see what GH is doing I think I would just have to add it to the Test I am always on.When there are this many anabolics in play right now, it is hard. So for you @Wunderpus if you have this many anabolics, you can still tell what GH is doing?

 

[Wunderpus]

Thing is I have run this cycle before and this round I am more aggressive with my diet so I do seem to be leaning out more. Could that be the GH? Sure. But do I know? Nope... For me at least GH is very hard for me to tell what is doing what(couple with the price the GH alone costs more than all the other compounds combined.........). Heck adding the anavar to this much tren makes the anavar hard to tell what it is doing. The Masteron I could actually see subcutaneous water decreasing. Really for me to see what GH is doing I think I would just have to add it to the Test I am always on.When there are this many anabolics in play right now, it is hard. So for you @Wunderpus if you have this many anabolics, you can still tell what GH is doing?

Definitely. The quality of my sleep is a huge factor, especially with tren and the amount of training I put my body through while I'm normally running tren.

Also, there is NO doubt it helps reduce any potential fat gain, and is certainly anti-catabolic.

As far as tissue growth, it seems "slower" than other things like deca, dbol, test, npp etc., but the quality cannot be beaten. You really only put on nice quality muscle with GH.

How much GH are you running, for how long, when are you pinning and what "brand"?

 

[Thinkbig]

Definitely. The quality of my sleep is a huge factor, especially with tren and the amount of training I put my body through while I'm normally running tren.

Also, there is NO doubt it helps reduce any potential fat gain, and is certainly anti-catabolic.

As far as tissue growth, it seems "slower" than other things like deca, dbol, test, npp etc., but the quality cannot be beaten. You really only put on nice quality muscle with GH.

How much GH are you running, for how long, when are you pinning and what "brand"?

I am on my fourth month. I started with 7IU meditrope, Then 7IU and now 5IU Grey as I couldnt tell any benefits other than numb hands at such a high dose(numb hands isn't a benefit really). Sleep is still shit and thats thanks to the tren. Perhaps my mood is a little less aggressive. But this isnt why I am paying for the GH.. Quality muscle... That's the tren too. So for me this is why it is hard for me to tell up from down at this point. I do have localized fat loss and that was what brought me out of the lurking to posting. It isn't pretty I have two legit dimples on my lower abdominal. They are becoming less pronounced this week as fat loss is happening all over(this is from my diet and carbs going down significantly)

 

[Wunderpus]

I am on my fourth month. I started with 7IU meditrope, Then 7IU and now 5IU Grey as I couldnt tell any benefits other than numb hands at such a high dose(numb hands isn't a benefit really). Sleep is still shit and thats thanks to the tren. Perhaps my mood is a little less aggressive. But this isnt why I am paying for the GH.. Quality muscle... That's the tren too. So for me this is why it is hard for me to tell up from down at this point. I do have localized fat loss and that was what brought me out of the lurking to posting. It isn't pretty I have two legit dimples on my lower abdominal. They are becoming less pronounced this week as fat loss is happening all over(this is from my diet and carbs going down significantly)

Yeah, I saw the dimples, I would keep rotating around those sites.

I'm not sure what you were expecting out of GH. Truthfully, the REAL magic happens at higher doses plus insulin and high test.... It's oftentimes spoken as if it's some hormone from the gods, like primo... In reality, it's a great addition to an already stacked arsenal. I don't think most users should prioritize it's usage unless AAS are not as appealing for whatever set of reasons.

 

[Thinkbig]

Yeah, I saw the dimples, I would keep rotating around those sites.

I'm not sure what you were expecting out of GH. Truthfully, the REAL magic happens at higher doses plus insulin and high test.... It's oftentimes spoken as if it's some hormone from the gods, like primo... In reality, it's a great addition to an already stacked arsenal. I don't think most users should prioritize it's usage unless AAS are not as appealing for whatever set of reasons.

Really what I was hoping for more than anything was to be able to be a little sloppy on my diet and still get abs... This just wont happen. Not with GH,T3/T4/Clen and tren... As you said it isnt magic... I hoped it was. I wanted to have junk more than one meal a week. Diet is the magic in a physique.

 

[Wunderpus]

Really what I was hoping for more than anything was to be able to be a little sloppy on my diet and still get abs... This just wont happen. Not with GH,T3/T4/Clen and tren... As you said it isnt magic... I hoped it was. I wanted to have junk more than one meal a week. Diet is the magic in a physique.

I appreciate your honesty, truly. We've all been there, and people who say they haven't are liars. I've definitely said "Fuck it, I'll take some T3 and be looser with my diet." But, as you're learning, it's not that simple.... Be careful taking too much T3/T4, you can lose a lot of muscle quickly.

 

[Thinkbig]

I appreciate your honesty, truly. We've all been there, and people who say they haven't are liars. I've definitely said "Fuck it, I'll take some T3 and be looser with my diet." But, as you're learning, it's not that simple.... Be careful taking too much T3/T4, you can lose a lot of muscle quickly.

T3/T4 are not in my aresonol anymore because of this! Sure my weight stayed down, but t3 is stronger than tren! I lost as much muscle as fat while eating bad. So it was a complete wash. If I was not on tren I am sure it would have been more muscle loss than I saw. I will not do t3 again unless if I decide to compete and it wont be as long or as much as I took a few months ago. Oh and the rebound is real.... Which is another reason why I am not a fan.

 

[Wunderpus]

T3/T4 are not in my aresonol anymore because of this! Sure my weight stayed down, but t3 is stronger than tren! I lost as much muscle as fat while eating bad. So it was a complete wash. If I was not on tren I am sure it would have been more muscle loss than I saw. I will not do t3 again unless if I decide to compete and it wont be as long or as much as I took a few months ago. Oh and the rebound is real.... Which is another reason why I am not a fan.

I'm not sure I buy into the "rebound"... I tend to think it's that people don't know how to diet and train, then depend on the T3 to cut up. After discontinuing the T3, they maintain the same mediocre level of diet and exercise, so the fat comes on quickly.

 

[mands]

Are we talking fat gain "rebound"? Or what "rebound" are you referring to @Thinkbig

mands

 

[Thinkbig]

Are we talking fat gain "rebound"? Or what "rebound" are you referring to @Thinkbig

mands

Fat rebound after t3. I was taking 100mcg for two months and went to 0. This was rxed from my doc so it is legit @Wunderpus T3 does slow down production when one blasts it like I did and then goes to 0. Ask a doctor about this. I didn't know it was so, my doctor warned me and I thought if i stayed in a deficit it wouldn't matter. I was wrong.

 

[fodsod]

I'm not sure I buy into the "rebound"... I tend to think it's that people don't know how to diet and train, then depend on the T3 to cut up. After discontinuing the T3, they maintain the same mediocre level of diet and exercise, so the fat comes on quickly.

Dead on brother. If you must have a substance to "get you there" rather than help finish the job then the problem is with effort, set up and consistency. All of the shit we take is just in addition to having your shit straight in every category.

 

[Thinkbig]

Dead on brother. If you must have a substance to "get you there" rather than help finish the job then the problem is with effort, set up and consistency. All of the shit we take is just in addition to having your shit straight in every category.

There is science behind the rebound. Irrefutable. Not excusing my diet. Denying it would be like saying you won't be shut down from deca.

My diet is better than it has been right now and I'm without T3 and the results are much better and there won't be a rebound. What I think you guys are missing is what my post is saying: all the substances under the sun won't give abs with a shitty or half ass diet. Maybe they will with DNP. That's the only drug I haven't tried... I think you guys are missing the point here. Yes there is irrefutable science behind T3 and t4 rebound, but that isn't the point of my post at all. Originally I was stating I hoped hgh worked magic going half ass on a diet. It doesn't, I then continued to say nor will T3/t4 clen or tren. Hope this clears it up

 

[fodsod]

There is science behind the rebound. Irrefutable. Not excusing my diet. Denying it would be like saying you won't be shut down from deca

I wasn't denying rebound or shut down. What goes up must come down, no disputing that. My issue/point is the abuse of the substances in an attempt to bypass effort and proper application of the principles that allow one to take less of everything and still make progress. Use less more efficiently and that rebound is reduced substantially.

 

[Wunderpus]

There is science behind the rebound. Irrefutable. Not excusing my diet. Denying it would be like saying you won't be shut down from deca.

My diet is better than it has been right now and I'm without T3 and the results are much better and there won't be a rebound. What I think you guys are missing is what my post is saying: all the substances under the sun won't give abs with a shitty or half ass diet. Maybe they will with DNP. That's the only drug I haven't tried... I think you guys are missing the point here. Yes there is irrefutable science behind T3 and t4 rebound, but that isn't the point of my post at all. Originally I was stating I hoped hgh worked magic going half ass on a diet. It doesn't, I then continued to say nor will T3/t4 clen or tren. Hope this clears it up

Comparing it to deca is apples to oranges... You're not factoring half-lives, the actual drugs ability to "shut down" as well as the fact they are different parts of the body that are being "shut down".

 

[Thinkbig]

Comparing it to deca is apples to oranges... You're not factoring half-lives, the actual drugs ability to "shut down" as well as the fact they are different parts of the body that are being "shut down".

Really? I'm not gonna argue this. I'm sorry just no purpose... Anyone is capable of using google.

You are correct we are talking thyroid and not gonads. But aside from that shut down is shut down.

This is what I mean when I talk about egos on this website. Arguing a false point is not beneficial to harm reduction. Just because you are an "awesome member" does not mean giving false advice. IE t3/t4 rebound and shut down is false when there are scholarly journals pointing this out. Sometimes being a big man is admitting when you are wrong....@Wunderpus even the link associated with this website notes rebound. Click on t3

 

[Thinkbig]

From meso, easier than google. I hope this helps people see that ego posting hurts members. If the point of this board is harm reduction can we please, do our best to not argue an invalid point?:
"
Post-cycle suppression of natural thyroid production
After extended use of T3 at a suppressive dose, natural production is suppressed for some time after discontinuing T3 use. Generally the duration appears related to the length of use. In cases of brief usage there’s typically no noticeable period of low function post-cycle, but with extended cycles the duration of low function can be measured for as long as about six weeks in some cases.

The literature article “Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy” provides an example of difficulty that can be encountered in recovering good thyroid production after a long period of oral thyroid use.

While in this study all the subjects did recover “normal” thyroid production, as also happens routinely in bodybuilding use, the “normal” that they ended up with was the rock-bottom end of the normal range, about 40 mcg/dL total serum T4 and about 80 ng/dL total serum T3. These are not levels one wants to be at, and are low enough that metabolism would be impaired.