Blacktops (Meditrope) GH serum and IGF-1

[Jeffg353]

Great numbers are you running insulin with your gh?

No...just gh n test. I've thought about adding it but I'm seeing good results at current dosage so don't really see any reason to.

 

[3ml]

Ok thanks
Adding insulin can help it convert to igf so those are great numbers

 

[Jeffg353]

Ok thanks
Adding insulin can help it convert to igf so those are great numbers

I thought about it but levels are coming back as expected. Plus I'm testing a few different kits to see how they compare so adding in slin would skew my results.

 

[3ml]

I thought about it but levels are coming back as expected. Plus I'm testing a few different kits to see how they compare so adding in slin would skew my results.

Ahh I see what you are doing
Either way those are solid numbers would be interesting too see the difference with insulin

 

[Jeffg353]

Ahh I see what you are doing
Either way those are solid numbers would be interesting too see the difference with insulin

Perhaps further down the line. Still have 2 kits of blacks n 3 kits of greys to use at some point.

 

[3ml]

Perhaps further down the line. Still have 2 kits of blacks n 3 kits of greys to use at some point.

Ya man I like blacks never ran the greys
But it's getting next to impossible to get in Canada these days

 

[Jeffg353]

Ya man I like blacks never ran the greys
But it's getting next to impossible to get in Canada these days

Greys were good but blacks seemed stronger even tho I kept the same dose. Seems like it's not only Canada having problems shipping...been happening here more too

 

[Thaistick]

Thanks for going to the trouble.

 

[Dr JIM]

Not really sure what to expect but here are my recent test results from the different brands of generics.

Grey Tops - Serum....21.8 Igf-1...385
Ansomone - Serum...16.0 Igf-1...480
Black Tops - Serum...27.8 Igf-1...426

FYI

The following enhances the reproducibility of such comparisons

--- same lab
--- same assay
--- at least 2 and preferably 3 weeks at the same daily dose
-- a "washout" interval of 2 weeks
--- a pharma sample would be optimal
Regs

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Ok thanks
Adding insulin can help it convert to igf so those are great numbers

What?

 

[Jeffg353]

FYI

The following enhances the reproducibility of such comparisons

--- same lab
--- same assay
--- at least 2 and preferably 3 weeks at the same daily dose
-- a "washout" interval of 2 weeks
--- a pharma sample would be optimal
Regs

Jim

Same lab used every time
Same test used every time
Run almost the entire kit before testing at least 3 weeks minimum
No wash out being done
Pharm sample coming soon

 

[Dr JIM]

Same lab used every time
Same test used every time
Run almost the entire kit before testing at least 3 weeks minimum
No wash out being done
Pharm sample coming soon

Depending upon the interval the absence of a washout allows the
effects of the FIRST drug to overlap and influence the effects of the SECOND and so on.

Consequently your Ansomone IGF values may be the result of GTs and Ansomone, and for this reason a "washout interval" is a investigational standard.

 

[Jeffg353]

Depending upon the interval the absence of a washout allows the
effects of the FIRST drug to overlap and influence the effects of the SECOND and so on.

Consequently your Ansomone IGF values may be the result of GTs and Ansomone, and for this reason a "washout interval" is a investigational standard.

It's possible but that's why I wait til almost the end of the kit before testing. Plus the greys I need to retest cuz I was only running it for 4 days at 2iu when test was done.

 

[Platinum Direct]

I thought ur suppose to do baseline then run for 3 weeks and test. Then stop all hgh for like a month then run hgh for 3 weeks and test then stop hgh again for a month then run new hgh again for 3 weeks and test isn't that the right protocol to testing different brands. Of course you don't have to pull baseline again since you have already done that

 

[Jeffg353]

I thought ur suppose to do baseline then run for 3 weeks and test. Then stop all hgh for like a month then run hgh for 3 weeks and test then stop hgh again for a month then run new hgh again for 3 weeks and test isn't that the right protocol to testing different brands. Of course you don't have to pull baseline again since you have already done that

I believe igf-1 levels fall back to baseline or near baseline values after a few days to a week max. I'm not really trying to take a month off that kind of defeats the purpose of cycling it. Perhaps I will have to do that at a later date with the extra kits of blacks n greys to see how that makes a difference.

 

[Naugahyde]

I believe igf-1 levels fall back to baseline or near baseline values after a few days to a week max. I'm not really trying to take a month off that kind of defeats the purpose of cycling it. Perhaps I will have to do that at a later date with the extra kits of blacks n greys to see how that makes a difference.

So you refuse to sacrifice your Gh gains for the greater good of Scientific research & other Meso members? Shame on you!

 

[blowingup72]

Thanks for the tests. I held water off the black tops for about a month before the sides subsided. Positive experience all around from batch #30.

 

[Mbell4377]

Thanks for the tests. I held water off the black tops for about a month before the sides subsided. Positive experience all around from batch #30.

That's what I have 500ius of batch 30
They're definitely a good product

 

[Jeffg353]

So you refuse to sacrifice your Gh gains for the greater good of Scientific research & other Meso members? Shame on you!

Shame on me! I will now...

 

[Jeffg353]

That's what I have 500ius of batch 30
They're definitely a good product

Definately are and seem to be getting better n better quality/purity with each new batch.