GearGodess
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Men aromatize test -> estrogen. Estrogen binds to the breast tissue and signals growth.
Eman
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What in the actual fuck is that about?! I was unaware of that. For fuck sake it's 2016 and the guy is trans... Like you said, why does Caitlin Jenner expect to be accepted when she can't be an accepting person. I can't really stand the lot of them though... The majority of the fame they have is built on a sex tape and the murder of OJ Simpsons wife and the mom has been whoring everyone out since.
Eman
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I saw Dr Jim talking about his belief that women might benefit from using aromatizing compounds but I forget where... It's been awhile. I'm sure he'll be happy to mention it if he remembers what I'm talking about.
The issues are the same ESTROGEN dependent breast tissue.
When women cycle AAS they experience a relative decline of E-2 and increased androgen levels.
However guys often increase E-2 levels again on a relative basis.
For example a males normal E-2 ranges bt 20-60mg/ml vs that of a female of around 80-400pg/ml!
So for guys whom are PREDISPOSED to GCM even minor "increases" in E-2 can cause problem esp when an Aromatizable AAS is cycled.
Gals often use Var (and most other "mild" DHT analog anabolic agents from T-Bol to Masteron) which does NOT aromatize but this AAS even at low dosages will markedly effect ovarion E-2 production, which can result in breast shrinkage.
Related effects are noted on the uterus in females who cycle AAS AMENORRHEA.
It's for this reason I BELIEVE females who cycle should use SOME TT bc it aromatize into E-2 and you GALS really need estrogen on a physiologic basis.
When women cycle AAS they experience a relative decline of E-2 and increased androgen levels.
However guys often increase E-2 levels again on a relative basis.
For example a males normal E-2 ranges bt 20-60mg/ml vs that of a female of around 80-400pg/ml!
So for guys whom are PREDISPOSED to GCM even minor "increases" in E-2 can cause problem esp when an Aromatizable AAS is cycled.
Gals often use Var (and most other "mild" DHT analog anabolic agents from T-Bol to Masteron) which does NOT aromatize but this AAS even at low dosages will markedly effect ovarion E-2 production, which can result in breast shrinkage.
Related effects are noted on the uterus in females who cycle AAS AMENORRHEA.
It's for this reason I BELIEVE females who cycle should use SOME TT bc it aromatize into E-2 and you GALS really need estrogen on a physiologic basis.
Happy to help you gals out HC 
You raise some points here that highlight why labs may prove useful.
I should also mention those that use TT and increase their E-2 levels as a result are more likely to develop "irregular menses" and some gals seem to prefer an amenorrheic state.
You raise some points here that highlight why labs may prove useful.
I should also mention those that use TT and increase their E-2 levels as a result are more likely to develop "irregular menses" and some gals seem to prefer an amenorrheic state.
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Happycamper
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Thank you. You may have pointed me in a good direction that I will persue with my doc post cycle, but I won't clog a fun thread up with such matters.Happy to help you gals out HC
You raise some points here that highlight why labs may prove useful.
I should also mention those that use TT and increase their E-2 levels as a result are more likely to develop "irregular menses" and some gals seem to prefer an amenorrheic state.
Please continue with the bewbz.
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She's got nothing on the ladies of Meso though...
ILUV2LIFT
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Interesting about TT aromatizing to estrogen in women. I thought it would increase breast size, but it changes menstrual cycles instead. I hate my periods but I don't want to say bye bye to breasts.
Thank you so much for this, Dr. Jim!
And yes, you are right. Many of us prefer to be in a amenorrheic state, for a change. It's nice to get a break.
I think one of the sides I've enjoyed the most has been not being as emotional. The decrease of estrogen makes a huge difference. I feel so much more rational and less nutty.
I do miss my boobs, we shared some good times. Thank God for breast augmentations!
Just remember there's much more to the importance of Estrogen in gals besides boobs n babies
(I hope you KNOW that's "JIM humor" and is not at all an ad hominem comment)Like lipids, bone density, vocal changes, hair growth etc.
To that end I've every reason to suspect such hormonal alterations significantly ENHANCE the risk of side effects for females who blast and cruise "like the guys do", IMO (again there are limited, if any, legitimate studies on gals running AAS)
Just saying I love you gals and please, please, please locate a HCP to help you ladies cycle AAS as safely as possible.
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Jim
You have probably noticed an general increase in breast size occurs around the mid portion of a menstrual cycle.
This is primarily bc estrogen peaks during this interval.
So yea breast size is almost guaranteed to decrease for those gals who cycle AAS but there are means of attenuating this effect such as shortening the course, dose and duration of AAS use.
Of course another means MAY BE to maintain a "normal E-2" level for females BUT I've do data to support this assertion.
Also bc I've only recently had the opportunity to "follow" a handful of females running AAS, what impact the maintenance of physiologic E-2 levels would have on SKM hypertrophy remains unknown IME.
@geargidess l may be able to provide some insight. I guess someone who is cycling AAS and using BCPs simultaneously could help out.
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reference range for women:
ESTRADIOL pg/mL 01 Reference Range Follicular Phase: 19-144 Mid-Cycle: 64-357 Luteal Phase: 56-214 Postmenopausal: < or = 31
for men: < OR = 39 pg/mL
ESTRADIOL pg/mL 01 Reference Range Follicular Phase: 19-144 Mid-Cycle: 64-357 Luteal Phase: 56-214 Postmenopausal: < or = 31
for men: < OR = 39 pg/mL
Depends of different lab. My lab range is: <= 50
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Men have a pretty clear idea of what an ideal E2 number is on cycle. Do women have a target number? Could they supplement with more estradiol?
Eman
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Did any of you ladies get bloodwork done before starting?
mine did, but didn't get BW during, will get next time
Happycamper
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I did not regarding my hormone panel and I regret it. Although, I had an annual a few months before and everything checked out.
I am now anxious to get off cycle and have a full hormone panel done.
It is interesting that I did not get any sides like the other ladies, but I've also had the signs of low estrogen even before cycle (breast atrophy, no sex drive and amenorrheia). I've been told to eat more and exercise less, but other than that my doc threw birth control at me that made me feel awful.
Just remember there's much more to the importance of Estrogen in gals besides boobs n babies
Like lipids, bone density, vocal changes, hair growth etc.
To that end I've every reason to suspect such hormonal alterations significantly ENHANCE the risk of side effects for females who blast and cruise "like the guys do", IMO (again there are limited, if any, legitimate studies on gals running AAS)
Just saying I love you gals and please, please, please locate a HCP to help you ladies cycle AAS as safely as possible.
Best
Jim
We really appreciate your advice and input, Dr. Jim.
It is important for us to be aware of those sides of AAs, which (some) may not be evident to the naked eye, but will definately catch up to us with time.
I am so happy we have people like you and Dr. Scally here in MESO.
One of the many reasons why I love this place.
You all have been nothing but amazing. I really appreciate the support and warm welcome given to all of us here
I did!
I also had my doc check my liver enzymes as I'm a recovering alcoholic. I wanted to make sure my liver was healthy enough before feeding it Anavar
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