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Can touching a barbell in the gym get you sick with the coronavirus?
- Thread starter Michael Scally MD
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Health Care has improved markedly in the past hundred years.
-- few hospitals, as we know them today, even existed
- Insulin had yet to be discovered
- the primary mode of transportation was horse and buggy which enabled those infected to head toward a local church where clergy would place a cold towel on one's head.
- NO antibiotics were in existence
- parenteral fluids were not available
- running water was a scarce commodity even in large cities, and that which was available was often contaminated with fecal matter
The latter three were MAJOR contributors to the mortality of the 1918-19 Spansih Flu pandemic.
JIM
Major Latin American countries have now surpassed the US in daily new cases per capita. More worrisome: they all have much fewer testing per capita. And less access to PPEs and ventilators. There are a lot of daily flights from Brazil ... to the rest of the world. Don’t for a sec think any country is safe from another wave.
It hasn’t even been five months since health officials in Wuhan, China, reported unusual pneumonia cases to the World Health Organization.
But those five months have been the most active in the history of epidemiology. Since that report, we’ve learned so much about the coronavirus. One of the most important lessons? How the disease is spread.
In particular, so-called superspreading events seem to be a major cause of infections. One London School of Hygiene analysis suggested that 80% of the secondary transmissions were caused by just 10% of infected people. In other words, if you want to avoid getting COVID-19, one of your major focuses should be avoiding a superspreading event.
So as Utahns leave their homes and reengage with society, we thought now would be a good time to scour the research to note where these events have been documented and where they haven’t. We can also learn about the circumstances that led to each superspreading event, and do our best to avoid them.
The result is the following compendium, in alphabetical order, of public places and the lessons we can learn.
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Gyms
In Cheonan, South Korea, a workshop for Zumba fitness instructors — Zumba is surprisingly big in Korea — was held Feb. 15. Of the 27 instructors in attendance, eight eventually tested positive.
These instructors then went to their communities and taught two 50-minute Zumba classes each week. By March 9, less than a month later, there were 112 cases tied to this Zumba workshop; 57 were students of the positive instructors, the rest secondary infections from those students. In all, those classes had 217 students attend, for an infection rate of about 26%.
Of the eight positive instructors, there were two who led most of the classes where people got sick. One held a class in a gym that had five students — but three got infected. Later, another COVID-19 positive instructor taught Pilates and yoga to 25 people in that same room. None got the virus.
Two hypotheses: Either the Pilates instructor wasn’t as contagious as the Zumba instructor, or high-intensity dance classes like Zumba mean more heavy breathing — and therefore more virus-laden droplets — than low-intensity Pilates.
In general, studies that have looked at infection in gyms have found them to be high-transmission areas, especially when there is insufficient ventilation.
Lessons:
• Gyms can quickly spread the coronavirus, especially when instructors become infected.
• High-intensity workouts may be more dangerous than low-intensity workouts, though that’s unclear.
“The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances wholly freed from restraint, nor is it an element in such liberty that one person, or a minority of persons residing in any community and enjoying the benefits of its local government, should have power to dominate the majority when supported in their action by the authority of the State.”
“But it is equally true that in every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great, dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”
“Upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”
Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905). https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep197/usrep197011/usrep197011.pdf
“But it is equally true that in every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great, dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”
“Upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”
Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905). https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep197/usrep197011/usrep197011.pdf
Reasons why COIVD-19 could morph into a Spanish Flu Pandemic
- High volume contagion arenas
- Our aging population
- An over reliance on our health care system by the populous
- The HIGH prevalence of COVID-19 related risk factors
- A mobile world where national or international travel are common place.
- The disdain of some toward government intercession
- The belief our actions or inactions do not impact the lives of others.
JIM
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And a review of KNOWN COVID-19 risk factors speaks volumes about those who are at greater risk for hospitalization.
Advancing age (greater than 65 years)
Diabetes
Heart Disease
HTN
Maleness (Likely as a result of undiagnosed heart disease)
Liver Disease
Kidney disease
Obesity
Lung disease from COPD to sleep apnea
Immune compromised conditions from CA to Lupus or any other chronic inflammatory state.
And what percent of our population has at least ONE if not TWO of these risk factors ? No LESS than FIFTY PERCENT.
And how many of us know, are friends with or have loved one's with one if not two of these risk factors ----- close to 100 percent unless they are living in relative solitude.
Respects
JIM
Advancing age (greater than 65 years)
Diabetes
Heart Disease
HTN
Maleness (Likely as a result of undiagnosed heart disease)
Liver Disease
Kidney disease
Obesity
Lung disease from COPD to sleep apnea
Immune compromised conditions from CA to Lupus or any other chronic inflammatory state.
And what percent of our population has at least ONE if not TWO of these risk factors ? No LESS than FIFTY PERCENT.
And how many of us know, are friends with or have loved one's with one if not two of these risk factors ----- close to 100 percent unless they are living in relative solitude.
Respects
JIM
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From Typhoid Mary to TB and HIV controlled and purposeful infectious disease mitigation efforts have been deemed constitutional by the US Supreme Court.
SteroidsBro
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The virus is a hoax
Sure it is. Good luck with that.
Because the Health Care system was literally overrun with SICK COVID-19 patients the conditions (from limited PPE, ineffective/archaic Ventilators, EMS arriving with near dead patients etc) in NYC and the experience of those on the front lines were exhausting.
And life in any NYC ED must have been anything but encouraging knowing 90% of intubated patients DIED!
JIM
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SteroidsBro
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Sure it happened
SteroidsBro
Banned
Oh, well that's pretty funny that they're claiming that he died from corona virus considering that the virus has never been isolated and proven to exist meaning that the covid19 doesn't test for covid19. Same thing with the vaccine. It would be impossible to make a vaccine for something that you have no idea what you're making a vaccine for. They've probably had this "vaccine" ready for years.
MisterSuperGod
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CaseinCreampie
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Maybe just fucking stupid.
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