Can touching a barbell in the gym get you sick with the coronavirus?

My point was it’s relatively easy to post a study, mainly in reference to this specific thread. The fact that it comes without interpretation and just bold text around a sentence of the summary/conclusion is my gripe...

If my characterization is incorrect then I’m just too new. Maybe it’s only this thread that’s a constant post with no words attached.

Because the fund of knowledge and pursuits of each member vary markedly a one line summation will rarely, if ever, find common ground for the majority of participants

And since ALL studies are subject to interpretation a brief synopsis on behalf of Dr Scally, whether pro or con, may be misconstrued as either to long or to short , with a follow up query often being something like; Hey Doc Scally WHY .............. and because only a handful of members will have read the abstract we are left to ponder who will be able to understand the "explanation of an explanation".

IME Dr Scally lists studies as "posts of interests" to coincide with particular sub-forum such as AAS and the Liver, AAS and Joints/Ligaments with the objective being a point of reference for others to use as topic based evidence pro or con. And I've often found his references quite useful

Best to ya Mac
JIM
 
So the reality is pending the arrival of a vaccine, testing or no testing we must learn to live with this virus like every other infectious disease before it.
in your estimation, what is a realistic time frame for a vaccine to be developed? Depending on what channel you turn on the tube the forecast could be months or years or never. As you know current day media isn't the most believable medium and a narrative is usually being pushed.
 


Horndogs on lockdown are hot on sex dolls!

Demand for the human-like silicone gals have shot up so much amid the coronavirus quarantine, suppliers are struggling to keep up production, according to a report.

The Florida-based company Sex Doll Genie saw orders spike by more than 51 percent during February and March — when lockdowns began in the US and other countries, Forbes reported.

“We have lots of products in stock but we can’t work fast enough to keep up with demand,” the company’s co-founder, Janet Stevenson, told the outlet. “We are hiring as quickly as we can and have created several new roles in fulfillment management and customer support in both the US and Europe.”

Stevenson said the company — which sells realistic-looking made-to-order dolls — has gotten “hundreds” more inquiries than usual in the past two months.

UK-based sex toy manufacturer CMG Leisure has also found themselves short-staffed as sales have skyrocketed amid the pandemic, Forbes reports.

And demand isn’t just coming from single men, the demographic traditionally associated with the sex doll market.

“What’s interesting about this massive increase in demand is that we are also seeing a changing demographic which is very positive for the sex doll industry and speaks to changing attitudes at home,” Stevenson told Forbes.
 


Physical distancing, hand hygiene, and disinfection of surfaces are the cornerstones of infection control during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. At the same time, governments, international agencies, policymakers, and public health officials have been debating the validity of recommending use of nonmedical masks by the general public to reduce the transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

We believe that these decisions should be informed by evidence. Although no direct evidence indicates that cloth masks are effective in reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the evidence that they reduce contamination of air and surfaces is convincing and should suffice to inform policy decisions on their use in this pandemic pending further research.

Cloth does not stop isolated virions. However, most virus transmission occurs via larger particles in secretions, whether aerosol (<5 µm) or droplets (>5 µm), which are generated directly by speaking, eating, coughing, and sneezing; aerosols are also created when water evaporates from smaller droplets, which become aerosol-sized droplet nuclei.

The point is not that some particles can penetrate but that some particles are stopped, particularly in the outward direction. Every virus-laden particle retained in a mask is not available to hang in the air as an aerosol or fall to a surface to be later picked up by touch.




Figure. Definitions of and relationship among FE, PF, and TIL.

For consistency, we calculated FE from data provided in the original work rather than presenting the data in the units chosen by the authors. PF and fit factor are synonyms. FE = filtration efficiency; PF = protection factor; TIL = total inward leakage.

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Yet SIX states account for 60% of COVID-19 related deaths. The distinction is important bc a one size fits all approach to mitigation is unnecessarily burdensome on the residents of the other 44 states.

And at this juncture we have a very good idea WHY these SIX states are COVID-19 problematic. Another factoid few in the media are willing to touch --- an overwhelmed and dysfunction health care system. No surprise as the latter is a pervasive issue in many inner cities.

JIM
 

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If I lived in NYC where the prevalence of COVID-19 is HIGH, I would certainly wear a mask, everywhere.

Yet I did not don a mask while visiting downtown Fort Worth Texas just two days ago, bc the COVID-19 prevalence is comparatively LOW. All that being said I probably would wear a mask in DFW if I encountered a crowded area ....

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DALLAS, May 23, 2020 — Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may have a serious impact on the cardiovascular system and are a potentially lethal combination, according to a large analysis of a World Health Organization (WHO) database on adverse drug reactions, published yesterday in Circulation, the flagship journal of the American Heart Association.

The study, “Cardiovascular Toxicities Associated with Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin: An Analysis of the World Health Organization Pharmacovigilance Database,” is an observational, retrospective meta-analysis of a WHO database encompassing more than 21 million adverse event case reports across all medication classes from more than 130 countries between November 14, 1967, and March 1, 2020, mainly before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The study compared cardiovascular adverse-drug-reactions (CV-ADRs) in patients who received hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin or the combination of both medications with all other cardiovascular medications in the database. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, alone or in combination, have been proposed for treatment of COVID-19 patients.
 


DALLAS, May 23, 2020 — Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may have a serious impact on the cardiovascular system and are a potentially lethal combination, according to a large analysis of a World Health Organization (WHO) database on adverse drug reactions, published yesterday in Circulation, the flagship journal of the American Heart Association.

The study, “Cardiovascular Toxicities Associated with Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin: An Analysis of the World Health Organization Pharmacovigilance Database,” is an observational, retrospective meta-analysis of a WHO database encompassing more than 21 million adverse event case reports across all medication classes from more than 130 countries between November 14, 1967, and March 1, 2020, mainly before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The study compared cardiovascular adverse-drug-reactions (CV-ADRs) in patients who received hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin or the combination of both medications with all other cardiovascular medications in the database. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, alone or in combination, have been proposed for treatment of COVID-19 patients.


Knowing HC and AZ were FDA approved as therapy for a protozoal and bacterial infection respectively, and bc each are associated with QT prolongation, the results are not surprising.

To that end once this data became available several weeks ago all but "compassionate care" trials were discontinued. That being said, Brazil continues to use one or both as they have little more to offer patients

JIM
 
Hydroxychloroquine has been used for roughly 65 years for many issues.

From what I can gather, it only becomes a problem when someone who already suffers from heart disease takes hydroxychloroquine.

Your point is the point I was trying to shed light on.

Hell, Cuomo was taking it himself until the political agenda shifted then he came out and said how bad it was.

Politics have no place in medicine is my point. That is why all aas is evil ... politics.

Politicians should leave medicine to doctors and doctors should leave politics to politicians.
I was prescribed chloroquine in South America (Costa Rica) at least once, if not twice.
Once as prevention for a malaria outbreak, the second time if I'm not mistaken was prescribed to me when I got the Dengue virus like 8 years ago.

No heatbeats, no tachycardia no nothing.
That's all leftist BS who want to see more people die from NOT taking the drug.




Guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention making the rounds this week on the internet are clarifying what we know about the transmission of the coronavirus.

The virus does not spread easily via contaminated surfaces, according to the C.D.C. For those who were worried about wiping down grocery bags or disinfecting mailed packages, the news headlines highlighting this guidance in recent days might have brought some relief.

But this information is not new: The C.D.C. has been using similar language for months. If anything, the headlines have pulled into sharper focus what we already know about the virus.

The coronavirus is thought to spread mainly from one person to another, typically through droplets when an infected person sneezes, coughs or talks at close range — even if that person is not showing symptoms.

They seem to underscore that some aerosol comes out just by breathing, even without talking.

Social distancing or maks aren't 100% effective.
As little as ONE single virus molecule can fuck you up if it gets in your nose or lungs.


Should Gyms and other sporting venues be opened ?

Thats a vexing problem because of the close quarters as ONE minimally symptomatic gent/gal may transmit the virus to many others.

Consequently unless those with underlying medical problems avoid these facilities, which is unlikely to happen, the presumptive risk posed by yelling, panting, sweating, particle moving attendees is to great and for those reasons Fitness facilities and/or sporting events will likely be the last to open.

JIM
Just to try it I did some chinups while wearing a surgical mask and it was awful.

Gyms are extremely high risk because of heavy breathing and masks would be clumbersome, and not 100% effective.


The problem with much of the data, the testing being conducted and/or it's reliablity (antibody vs PCR) do not necessarily correlate with hospital utilization -- and the latter dictates the magnitude and/or necessity of our response/interdiction to any pandemic.

I mean why even test those less than 40 wo risk factors or symptoms if we know (and we do esp with existing mitigation practices) these folk pose such a small risk of community transmission ----- bc epidemiologists want this relatively meaningless data for their silly models --- that why!

I was involved in surveillance testing in June. We conducted 2317 PCR assays with TWO positive results. Both had mild symptoms and were monitored at home in isolation and did fine. However bc one failed to remain isolated from others the disease was transmitted to her Grandparents one of whom died.

Our testing efforts must first focus on; unrelenting contact tracing, those at risk for COVID-19 related hospitalization, and the detection/isolation of symptomatic/ "minimally symptomatic" disease.


JIM
That's the big problem, while the PCR tests are extremely accurate and sensitive, somehow throat or nose samples often don't contain any viruses even if the patient is infected, therefore the high "false negative" rate.
But it isn't a flaw of PCR testing tech by itself.




Physical distancing, hand hygiene, and disinfection of surfaces are the cornerstones of infection control during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. At the same time, governments, international agencies, policymakers, and public health officials have been debating the validity of recommending use of nonmedical masks by the general public to reduce the transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

We believe that these decisions should be informed by evidence. Although no direct evidence indicates that cloth masks are effective in reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the evidence that they reduce contamination of air and surfaces is convincing and should suffice to inform policy decisions on their use in this pandemic pending further research.

Cloth does not stop isolated virions. However, most virus transmission occurs via larger particles in secretions, whether aerosol (<5 µm) or droplets (>5 µm), which are generated directly by speaking, eating, coughing, and sneezing; aerosols are also created when water evaporates from smaller droplets, which become aerosol-sized droplet nuclei.

The point is not that some particles can penetrate but that some particles are stopped, particularly in the outward direction. Every virus-laden particle retained in a mask is not available to hang in the air as an aerosol or fall to a surface to be later picked up by touch.




Figure. Definitions of and relationship among FE, PF, and TIL.

For consistency, we calculated FE from data provided in the original work rather than presenting the data in the units chosen by the authors. PF and fit factor are synonyms. FE = filtration efficiency; PF = protection factor; TIL = total inward leakage.

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While social distancing and cloth masks can help quite a bit, they aren't 100% effective and that's the problem:

as little as a single virus molecule can pass trough and fuck you up.
The devil is in the details.


Yet SIX states account for 60% of COVID-19 related deaths. The distinction is important bc a one size fits all approach to mitigation is unnecessarily burdensome on the residents of the other 44 states.

And at this juncture we have a very good idea WHY these SIX states are COVID-19 problematic. Another factoid few in the media are willing to touch --- an overwhelmed and dysfunction health care system. No surprise as the latter is a pervasive issue in many inner cities.

JIM
They are mostly leftist states.
Darwinism at work?




DALLAS, May 23, 2020 — Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may have a serious impact on the cardiovascular system and are a potentially lethal combination, according to a large analysis of a World Health Organization (WHO) database on adverse drug reactions, published yesterday in Circulation, the flagship journal of the American Heart Association.

The study, “Cardiovascular Toxicities Associated with Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin: An Analysis of the World Health Organization Pharmacovigilance Database,” is an observational, retrospective meta-analysis of a WHO database encompassing more than 21 million adverse event case reports across all medication classes from more than 130 countries between November 14, 1967, and March 1, 2020, mainly before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The study compared cardiovascular adverse-drug-reactions (CV-ADRs) in patients who received hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin or the combination of both medications with all other cardiovascular medications in the database. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, alone or in combination, have been proposed for treatment of COVID-19 patients.

Here we go again.

That's not a scientific study at all,
it's a "meta-analysis", short for a glorified opinion.

And even so, some studies were designed to fail, not randomized, no Zinc, HCQ was given to the sickest patients, often just before going to ICU.
Of course HCQ is no miracle, nothing is.


Simple yes or no question:
Dr @Michael Scally MD if you got badly sick because of COVID-19, they take you to a hospital and they were to give you Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc + Azithromycin, would you refuse it because of your political beliefs?
(And risk dying by doing so)
Yes or no?
 
this post of yours in unreal to me. What a failure to keep those travel routes open

Simple yes or no question:
Dr @Michael Scally MD if you got badly sick because of COVID-19, they take you to a hospital and they were to give you Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc + Azithromycin, would you refuse it because of your political beliefs?
(And risk dying by doing so)
Yes or no?
if it means not seeing your posts anymore, I'm betting he would gladly die
 
If I lived in NYC where the prevalence of COVID-19 is HIGH, I would certainly wear a mask, everywhere.

Yet I did not don a mask while visiting downtown Fort Worth Texas just two days ago, bc the COVID-19 prevalence is comparatively LOW. All that being said I probably would wear a mask in DFW if I encountered a crowded area ....

JIM

 
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